Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

Simple_Simone wrote: »

Not being a third generation sentimental fool, I'd very happily take Tesco's money and run. In fact I'm tempted to question your sanity in asking such an incredibly naive question.

And that's OK, it's your choice if you want to take the money and allow Tesco ride roughshod over you.

Just as there are very stubborn third generational fools in life, there are also plenty of people that have no principals at all.

Mad_maxx wrote: »

There wouldn't be a decent road in the country if guys like him were indulged

Roads are a public asset to be used by the public at large. While there is certainly a public benefit.arisibg from building a factory, the constitution preserves personal property rights which means he should have strong rights to determine whether another private entity should be permitted to effectively acquire his property.

Ardillaun wrote: »

Ireland indulges nimbys far too much and we’ve seen the effects in Dublin as well.

better that and it's many faults then giving private multinationals leeway to do what they like.

Ardillaun wrote: »

The constitutional pendulum needs to swing a little more in favour of the national interest.

the constitution strikes the correct balance between national and personal interest. no changes are required to deal with this specific issue as the relevant procedures are more then enough.

Ardillaun wrote: »

Not too sound too freemannish here but, in the final amalysis, the people of Ireland are sovereign and all property rights are granted by them to individuals.

ultimately irrelevant as we via the constitution grant the rights to ourselves and we all benefit from such property rights.

Ardillaun wrote: »

It’s not at all irrelevant to the insular, nimby mindset that is given so much weight in Ireland. If we started every discussion of this sort from the national interest end of things we would be better off.

we already do where such needs to happen.

facehugger99 wrote: »

The principle of being able to object to planning isn't an issue. What is the problem, is the amount of time it takes for the appeals process to run its course.

As it stands, applicants can spend a couple of years and hundreds of thousands carrying out the requires studies and surveys and compiling an Environmental Impact Assessment and submitting this to a planning authority.

A few cranks can then lodge fairly spurious objections and frustrate the process for further years in some cases.

There are international companies that have chosen other countries to invest in over Ireland purely on the basis of the time, expense and hassle to secure planning permission.

One of the big issues is the many of these "studies" are not worth the paper their written on in terms of carrying out a fair assessment of a developments impact. Developers will never produce a "study" that shows their development is economically or environmentally unsustainable. I've read many of these in my time and the amount of BS and gaps would make you laugh if it wasn't so potentially serious. At the end of the day ABP and the courts will nearly always kick spurious objections out. The issue is the length of time it takes to process such things. What we don't need are facist proposals that restrict peoples legitmate rights to environmental justice which is quaranteed under various EU Directives and Aahraus etc.

For anyone on here who wants to actually see what InHell are proposing:

http://webgeo.kildarecoco.ie/public/planningsearch/171#

file No. 1991

Seems he should have paid a few quid in fairness to someone who knows how to compile objection letters as this will be ignored as vexatious waffle tbh.... Wasted opportunity to be taken somebit serious imo....

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yet the article you linked has nothing got to do with da land, it concerns dogs attacking sheep. At least read your own links FFS.

It has everything to do with the land. You think a man threatening dog owners with a gun on a public road is acceptable? In an earlier outburst, he even threatened to shoot the dogs while they were on their leads right beside their owners for crying out loud. That sense of entitlement arises from an outdated cultural consensus. In a properly run country he would have been charged to send a clear message to any other loon with the same worldview.

Its like offering someone money for there car but they don't want to sell it as its there pride and joy but the guy wanting to buy it starts crying cause him and his mates can't get to work in the the new flashy car, ITS HIS CAR NOT YOURS NOW F#CKOFF. !

Someone from Donegal can object to something in Dingle, whether it directly affects them or not, that is the joy of living in a democracy and having statutory Acts that everyone, including large multi nationals, have to abide by. What kinda of country would we live in if anyone could do anything they wanted, without due process, and a system whereby the individuals voice could not be heard.
In this kind of instance, if they were refused permission and if they so wished, they could fight this through the courts, after due process has been completed, but they one voice still must be heard, no matter what side of the fence they side on and how abstract the argument.....
When Intel has completed it's mission and Ireland as a resource, whatever that might be is exhausted, we will still have to look at an empty shell of a monstrosity lying idle in an outcrop of a village. The process has to be good for us and not just an independent international employer for the "short term" gain, no matter what "short term" employment comes from it.

The pink killer wrote: »

Its like offering someone money for there car but they don't want to sell it as its there pride and joy but the guy wanting to buy it starts crying cause him and his mates can't get to work in the the new flashy car, ITS HIS CAR NOT YOURS NOW F#CKOFF. !

*parks car across hospital entrance.*

hey! my car, my rights. are we to violate the sanctity of personal property.
just so you can move some of these so called ''organs'' to your precious ''patients''.

CPO's ruin lives.
Up to 3 people per year in Ireland face the heartache of not sitting in one particular spot. Due to corporations employing people.
Many have had to move kilometers.

For just $8 billion we can stop the torment of new jobs arriving, and make sure Tomas gawks out over an empty field.

Please, compromise just 100 jobs per month.
Together we can keep Irelands future bleak.