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Healthy baby aborted at 15 weeks

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    #932
    Nobelium
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Lol at you asking this when you yourself are self appointedly making a choice on behalf of all women when you take their choice away.

    Who made you the spokesperson to speak on behalf of all women’s wombs?

    Where did I claim any of this ? People can do whatever they like with their bodies if it only involves their own. However I don't believe that extends to taking another human life.


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    #933
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    Where did I claim that ? Post it.

    Please tell me you have something more than Cathy Newman style straw man arguments ?


    Because the morning after pill is an ECP, not an abortion pill. Surely you know this ?

    The question is merited as a number of religious organisations including the Catholic church stare that the morning after pill is a chemically induced abortion.


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    #934
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    Where did I claim that ? Post it.

    Please tell me you have something more than Cathy Newman style straw man arguments ?





    Because the morning after pill is an ECP, not an abortion pill. Surely you know this ?

    You posted a link that states
    The human life cycle begins at fertilization, 

    If that is what you believe then the morning after pill has to be an abortion as it aborts the fertilized egg!


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    #935
    Nobelium
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    DubInMeath wrote: »
    The question is merited as a number of religious organisations including the Catholic church stare that the morning after pill is a chemically induced abortion.

    My opinion has nothing to do with religion.


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    #936
    Plumbthedepths
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    Nobelium wrote:
    Now . When do you claim human life occurs and based on what ?


    Imo it starts when the foetus is sentient.


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    #937
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    My opinion has nothing to do with religion.

    So your fine with some form of abortion, as the morning after pill is classified as such by some and ends a human life but not other forms of abortion.


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    #938
    SusieBlue
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    Where did I claim any of this ? People can do whatever they like with their bodies if it only involves their own. However I don't believe that extends to taking another human life.

    No sorry, you are a hypocrite. You are taking upon yourself to speak for others who may disagree with you.
    I certainly don’t agree with you, so why should you be spokesperson for me?
    You don’t represent me and you have no authority to decide anything on my behalf... Especially when it regards MY womb and not yours?


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    #939
    Nobelium
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You posted a link that states



    If that is what you believe then the morning after pill has to be an abortion as it aborts the fertilized egg!

    It's not a belief, it's a scientific fact when human life begins. hence the link to a biology encyclopedia. How can you not know this ? Find me a credible scientific link that says it doesn't ? When do you claim human life begins, and based on what ?

    How can you not know ECP is not an abortion pill ? Again, find me a credible scientific link that claims the ECP is not an ECP but is an abortion pill ?


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    #940
    uptherebels
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    I'll try basic English, and see if you can answer the actual question you were asked :

    Who elected you to represent and be the spokesperson for the views of everyone in society ?

    Why do you claim to represent "societie's" attitude as if it's some monolithic viewpoint ?

    I have already answered this. Seeing as you are incapable of comprehending the point, nevermind refuting it, we can finish this here.


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    #941
    Nobelium
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    DubInMeath wrote: »
    So your fine with some form of abortion, as the morning after pill is classified as such by some and ends a human life but not other forms of abortion.

    The morning after pill is an emergency contraceptive pill and not an abortion pill. That's a simple medical fact.


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    #942
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    uptherebels wrote: »
    I have already answered this. Seeing as you are incapable of comprehending the point, nevermind refuting it, we can finish this here.

    You haven't ever, despite being asked to repeatedly. But the door is always open to you answering how you claim to know and represent an entire societies opinion.


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    #943
    SusieBlue
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    The morning after pill is an emergency contraceptive pill and not an abortion pill. That's a simple medical fact.

    Completely incorrect, if fertilization has already happened it can stop the egg from attaching to the wall of the uterus (aborting implantation). It could end a pregnancy in extremely early stages, if the egg is fertilized.


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    #944
    Nobelium
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    No sorry, you are a hypocrite. You are taking upon yourself to speak for others who may disagree with you.
    I certainly don’t agree with you, so why should you be spokesperson for me?
    You don’t represent me and you have no authority to decide anything on my behalf... Especially when it regards MY womb and not yours?

    What people do is their free will choice, but that does not make it ok for them to take another human life.


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    #945
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    It's not a belief, it's a scientific fact when human life begins. hence the link to a biology encyclopedia. How can you not know this ? Find me a credible scientific link that says it doesn't ? When do you claim human life begins, and based on what ?

    How can you not know ECP is not an abortion pill ? Again, find me a credible scientific link that claims the ECP is not an ECP but is an abortion pill ?

    Your argument is that life begins at fertilisation of the egg, the morning after pill prevents a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. That is why it's considered a form of chemical abortion by some and should be by you given when you have stated life begins.


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    SusieBlue
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    What people do is their free will choice, but that does not make it ok for them to take another human life.

    And I disagree with you. You do not and should not get to speak for me.
    It’s that simple.


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    #947
    Nobelium
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Completely incorrect, if fertilization has already happened it can stop the egg from attaching to the wall of the uterus (aborting implantation). It could end a pregnancy in extremely early stages, if the egg is fertilized.

    Find one credible medical source that claims the morning after pill is not an ECP but is in fact an abortion pill.


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    #948
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    And I disagree with you. You do not and should not get to speak for me.
    It’s that simple.

    What people do and say is their own free will choice, but that does not make it ok for them to take another human life.


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    #949
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    Find one credible medical source that claims the morning after pill is not an ECP but is in fact an abortion pill.

    In other words you've dug yourself into a hole with your morning after pill argument and are still digging


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    #950
    SusieBlue
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    Find one credible medical source that claims the morning after pill is not an ECP but is in fact an abortion pill.

    I didn’t say it was an abortion pill, I said it can stop a fertilized egg from implanting on the uterine wall, which in turn can cause an early pregnancy to terminate.
    From web MD:
    It may prevent or delay ovulation.
    It may interfere with fertilization of an egg.

    https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/plan-b


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    #951
    SusieBlue
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    What people do and say is their own free will choice, but that does not make it ok for them to take another human life.

    Speak for yourself and not for me. You don’t get to choose for everyone.
    Repeating yourself ad nauseum will not change that, the days of imposing your warped views on all of society are over.


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    #952
    Faugheen
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    Where did I claim any of this ? People can do whatever they like with their bodies if it only involves their own. However I don't believe that extends to taking another human life.

    Unluckily for you you can't control women anymore.


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    #953
    Nobelium
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    The morning after pill is an emergency contraceptive pill and not an abortion pill. That's a simple medical fact.
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Completely incorrect, if fertilization has already happened it can stop the egg from attaching to the wall of the uterus (aborting implantation). It could end a pregnancy in extremely early stages, if the egg is fertilized.
    Nobelium wrote: »
    Find one credible medical source that claims the morning after pill is not an ECP but is in fact an abortion pill.
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I didn’t say it was an abortion pill, I said it can stop a fertilized egg from implanting on the uterine wall, which in turn can cause an early pregnancy to terminate.
    From web MD:

    https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/plan-b
    .


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    #954
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    DubInMeath wrote: »
    In other words you've dug yourself into a hole with your morning after pill argument and are still digging

    I'm not the one that thinks the morning after pill (an ECP) is an abortion pill.


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    #955
    Nobelium
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Speak for yourself and not for me. You don’t get to choose for everyone.
    Repeating yourself ad nauseum will not change that, the days of imposing your warped views on all of society are over.
    Faugheen wrote: »
    Unluckily for you you can't control women anymore.

    I suppose when out of any logical argument you can try name calling and straw manning, but this won't justify taking another human life.


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    #956
    SusieBlue
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    I'm not the one that thinks the morning after pill (an ECP) is an abortion pill.

    It can end an early stage pregnancy if it stops the fertilized egg from implanting on the uterine wall.
    I don’t know how to make this any plainer to you.
    I don’t consider it to be an abortion pill either but many pro-life people do and consider it to also be murder/baby killing etc.


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    SusieBlue
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    I suppose when out of any logical argument you can try name calling and straw manning, but this won't justify taking another human life.

    In your opinion. Those who disagree can choose otherwise.
    You talk about justifying it as if your authority on it is absolute, but as we can clearly see from this thread alone it’s subjective.
    Not everyone believes as you do.
    Afford others the respect you’d expect yourself.


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    #958
    Nobelium
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    It can end an early stage pregnancy if it stops the fertilized egg from implanting on the uterine wall.
    I don’t know how to make this any plainer to you.
    I don’t consider it to be an abortion pill either but many pro-life people do and consider it to also be murder/baby killing etc.

    I'm only interested in the medical fact that the morning after pill is an ECP and not an abortion pill.


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    #959
    Faugheen
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    I suppose when out of any logical argument you can try name calling and straw manning, but this won't justify taking another human life.

    I'm not straw manning at all.

    You will not give two flying sh*tes about a baby that's nothing to do with you is born, but you suddenly care when it's not born?

    It's nothing to do with the unborn. It's all about controlling women and judging them when they make a decision you don't like.


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    #960
    Nobelium
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    In your opinion. Those who disagree can choose otherwise.
    You talk about justifying it as if your authority on it is absolute, but as we can clearly see from this thread alone it’s subjective.
    Not everyone believes as you do.
    Afford others the respect you’d expect yourself.

    I still haven't heard any credible reason to justify taking an innocent human life via abortion, have you got any ?


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    #961
    SusieBlue
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    I still haven't heard any credible reason to justify taking an innocent human life via abortion, have you got any ?

    There are plenty if you are willing to listen, but I’d only be wasting my time as you’d undoubtedly sneer at them or minimise their relevance.
    Repeal won by landslide vote. You are still free to do as you choose.
    People want choice. Respect that.


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