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Healthy baby aborted at 15 weeks

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  • #812
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    cournioni wrote:
    Thank you for answering my question. So then you agree that the ridiculous opinion that it is just the woman’s body is completely wrong?


    I don't agree with you at all. Your question was stupid, be grateful I graced your idiotic question with a response .


  • #813
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    STB. wrote: »
    The left ? I think you have confused me with somebody else.

    Okay then, your average pro-abortion anti-trump & anti brexit persons.

    Would globalist be a better fit?


  • #814
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    stefanovich wrote:
    They disagreed with you? I have seen all sorts of mods here hold strong views in all directions.

    No problems with disagreement but when a Mod attacks a poster I do have an issue with that. Maybe you don't know it but ' it's play the ball not the man'.


  • #815
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I don't have an issue with a Mod posting, I'm just surprised your behaviour in this thread so far is tolerated. A regular poster would not get the latitude you have gotten so far.
    Everything I am saying is on topic, you mightn’t like it but then boards isn’t meant to be an echo chamber.

    You on the other hand shouldn’t be back seat modding.


  • #816
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    No problems with disagreement but when a Mod attacks a poster I do have an issue with that. Maybe you don't know it but ' it's play the ball not the man'.

    I have seen no such attack. You are making things up.


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  • #817
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    cournioni wrote:
    You on the other hand shouldn’t be back seat modding.


    Feel free to report my post.


  • #818
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    cournioni wrote: »
    That’s all fine and well, but my vote didn’t contribute towards the death of a viable baby, the “popular” one did. Then again, sheep don’t have to be all that clever.

    How does it feel to be so much smarter than the majority of the population of your country? Does the warm fuzzy feeling you get from it help offset the fact that your views are quite obviously so out of touch with most of modern Ireland?

    Must have been quite disappointing to lose by such a large margin last year. I think I'd be frustrated too if that happened to me in a referendum I was so passionately on the wrong side of the result from. Hope you come to terms with it, shouldn't be a problem given you're so much smarter than the "sheep" though. Best of luck!


  • #819
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I don't agree with you at all. Your question was stupid, be grateful I graced your idiotic question with a response .
    That’s fine, I don’t expect you to. No it was a perfectly good question, given the rhetoric of the pro “choicers”.


  • #820
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    stefanovich wrote:
    I have seen no such attack. You are making things up.


    If course you haven't, quelle surprise . ;-)


  • #821
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Amirani wrote: »
    How does it feel to be so much smarter than the majority of the population of your country? Does the warm fuzzy feeling you get from it help offset the fact that your views are quite obviously so out of touch with most of modern Ireland?

    Must have been quite disappointing to lose by such a large margin last year. I think I'd be frustrated too if that happened to me in a referendum I was so passionately on the wrong side of the result from. Hope you come to terms with it, shouldn't be a problem given you're so much smarter than the "sheep" though. Best of luck!

    Are we still talking about Brexit here?


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  • #822
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,094 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    cournioni wrote: »
    Everything I am saying is on topic, you mightn’t like it but then boards isn’t meant to be an echo chamber.

    You on the other hand shouldn’t be back seat modding.

    So just to be clear, it's now okay to call people insane for voting differently from you, and to say that women who have abortions are baby killers? Yeah?

    Just so I know.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #823
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    cournioni wrote:
    That’s fine, I don’t expect you to. No it was a perfectly good question, given the rhetoric of the pro “choicersâ€.


    Imo it was an incredibly stupid question, but there you go.


  • #824
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Amirani wrote: »
    How does it feel to be so much smarter than the majority of the population of your country? Does the warm fuzzy feeling you get from it help offset the fact that your views are quite obviously so out of touch with most of modern Ireland?

    Must have been quite disappointing to lose by such a large margin last year. I think I'd be frustrated too if that happened to me in a referendum I was so passionately on the wrong side of the result from. Hope you come to terms with it, shouldn't be a problem given you're so much smarter than the "sheep" though. Best of luck!
    How does it feel? Not great given the subject that we are discussing here. “Modern Ireland” give me a break.


  • #825
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Okay then, your average pro-abortion anti-trump & anti brexit persons.

    Would globalist be a better fit?

    Pro Choice. Everything else is based on what exactly ?

    Don't pretend to know me.
    nullzero wrote: »
    EDIT. The points I've raised are valid, your cognitive dissonance is astounding and as much as I'd love to take you to task on your frankly comical contribution here I have had to report your post for the comment you made comparing me to a simpleton, so I'm just going to let the moderators deal with this from here. If you can't be civil I'm not going to talk to you.

    Cognitive dissonance eh. I have been consistent throughout this thread in my small number of contributions.

    Off you go. You should re-look at your post about opinions and criminality. Hopefully you don't choke on the irony :)


  • #826
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    STB. wrote: »
    Pro Choice. Everything else is based on what exactly ?

    Don't pretend to know me.

    Fair enough.


  • #827
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Your No vote would have contributed to forcing distressed vulnerable women and couples to travel to foreign countries to obtain basic healthcare.
    Your No vote didn’t care if they were rape victims, victims of domestic violence, young teenagers, babies with FFA, women with cancer who needed treatment, or simply a woman who didn’t have the physical, financial or emotional means to cope with another child.
    Your No vote didn’t give a cr*p about that, it said ‘tough, I disagree with abortion so you have to stay pregnant’.
    That’s nothing to be proud of.
    My no vote didn’t contribute to what we are discussing here. Killing a defenseless baby shouldn’t be on the cards, period.


  • #828
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    cournioni wrote: »
    How does it feel? Not great given the subject that we are discussing here. “Modern Ireland” give me a break.

    You're right, the "modern" probably was superfluous in my post. I'll rephrase; it must be tough that your views are so out of touch in Ireland.


  • #829
    margo321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭margo321


    poor baby.


  • #830
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,864 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    STB. wrote: »
    Pro Choice. Everything else is based on what exactly ?

    Don't pretend to know me.



    Cognitive dissonance eh. I have been consistent throughout this thread in my small number of contributions.

    Off you go. You should re-look at your post about opinions and criminality. Hopefully you don't choke on the irony :)

    I don't know what post you're referring to, could you link it for me?

    Consistency isn't always a vrtue, particularly when poor reasoning and abusive behaviour are what you are engaging in.

    Glazers Out!



  • #831
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    margo321 wrote:
    poor baby.


    It's not a baby at 15 weeks.


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  • #832
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,864 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's not a baby at 15 weeks.

    In this case the parents don't appear to see things that way.

    Glazers Out!



  • #833
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's not a baby at 15 weeks.

    NHS disagrees with you.

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/15-weeks-pregnant/


  • #834
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Amirani wrote: »
    You're right, the "modern" probably was superfluous in my post. I'll rephrase; it must be tough that your views are so out of touch in Ireland.
    No, I’m perfectly happy with my views that babies shouldn’t be killed before they have a chance to live, sad for those who think otherwise. I feel sad and at times angry that people, particularly those who put their careers before the life of an unborn because they did not protect themselves against eventualities. I’m my view there is nothing more selfish and sickening than taking a life just because it didn’t fit in with the “plan”.

    Nothing in life is ideal, you have to do what can be done to make things as good as they can be for all affected parties but killing shouldn’t be an option.


  • #835
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    nullzero wrote:
    In this case the parents don't appear to see things that way.

    Doesn't change facts no matter how they view things .


  • #836
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    cournioni wrote: »
    That’s all fine and well, but my vote didn’t contribute towards the death of a viable baby, the “popular” one did. Then again, sheep don’t have to be all that clever.

    wiped several thousand viable babies off the tip of my lad this morning id say

    or is your preferred threshold for the term worth more than anyone else's

    bear in mind people are only responding to you because boards wont moderate the gift of clicks generated by allowing inaccuracies like 'baby' and 'murder' to be used in a conversation about medical procedures during pregnancy

    shame on the people responsible for that decision making imo.

    your lot were whipped and badly whipped and theres no reason to pay ye attention at all anymore except to cast ye back down on yer faces when ye try to demand legitimacy


  • #837
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    nullzero wrote: »
    I don't know what post you're referring to, could you link it for me?


    No. Do it yourself. The sentence should have given all the clues you needed.

    nullzero wrote: »
    Consistency isn't always a vrtue, particularly when poor reasoning and abusive behaviour are what you are engaging in.


    You can make as many condescending verbals as you wish, just don't pretend to a victim here sunshine. Like I said earlier its like talking to a simpleton (with all due respect to simpletons). You achieved what you set out to do, which was to take this off track.


  • #838
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Doesn't change facts no matter how they view things .

    That's not a fact. See my post above.


  • #839
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    stefanovich wrote:
    NHS disagrees with you.


    I live in Ireland , so thanks for the NHS link but I'll ignore it if it's all the same to you. ;-)


  • #840
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    volchitsa wrote:
    Here's a radical idea: we need to improve Irish hospitals in general, and make all procedures safer, not ban them one by one every time a hospital gets something wrong.


    What are you blubbering about?

    Where did i say we should ban anything?

    I am merely saying that this is a horrible story and yes it wouldnt have happened if the vote went the other way. I am not saying we should reverse that decision. We need to improve procedure and not let things like this happen again.

    You must know nothing about babies. Let me give you an example. Children are born without neck control. For the most part. Some kids get control when they are 3/4 months old. My son had full neck control by week 1. He was also born at 36 weeks as oppose to 40. He was also 10ibs when he was born at 36 weeks. Most babies are around half that when they go full term (38-40 weeks). At 21 weeks the baby you found on wiki was a pound. At 20 weeks my little guy was almost 2 pounds. At 20 weeks!! You either get that because youve experienced all this or you dont and have no clue what i mean. All babies are different sizes. Some will be bigger than others. Some smaller. The size very much impacts their ability to survive a premature birth.

    So you can deflect all the attention away from the story that you want. But the 8th would have saved this healthy baby.


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  • #841
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    cournioni wrote:
    No, I’m perfectly happy with my views that babies shouldn’t be killed before they have a chance to live. I feel sad and at times angry that people, particularly those who put their careers before the life of an unborn because they did not protect themselves against eventualities. I’m my view there is nothing more selfish and sickening than taking a life just because it didn’t fit in with the “planâ€.


    So do you feel a woman should be forced to remain pregnant against her will to satisfy your morals,regardless if her situation?


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