Children attempt to burn homeless man alive

Panthro · 16-05-2019 10:34PM

Few smacks across the arses might smarten them up a bit.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2019 10:37PM

El_Bee wrote: »

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gang-kids-laugh-after-burning-16282182

Not even shocked or surprised at this, I know it's cliche to say "kids today are worse than ever" but we definitely drew the line at attempted murder when I was young. No doubt it'll be handwaved as "a moment of madness", I''m sure they have "difficult home lives" etc. etc. etc. I mean there's no facilities so this was bound to happen right?

Reminds me of Jamie Bolger.

Kids have been taught to think of homeless people as vermin and spongers. 'Time for the CULL' ETC

K.Flyer · 16-05-2019 10:38PM

touts wrote: »

The government's response to this will probably be to replace Maths with "Anger Management" on the leaving cert.

Most likely they will try blame the homeless and ban them from using tents.

Spanish Eyes · 16-05-2019 10:40PM

Bad parenting, Gardai nowhere to be seen, no consequences as they are juveniles.

As much as I detest FF, am beginning to think Willie o Dea is right. Make parents accountable.

It cannot get better anymore now, only worse. Sad for sure.

gozunda · 16-05-2019 10:40PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Poor kids. Raised by cünts.

Our estate is full of kids. They play together outside everyday. None of them would in a million years ever dream of doing such a thing.

Read Lord of the Flies ...

Andrew00 · 16-05-2019 10:41PM

There's a new breed of vermin coming through.

Kids now have phones at 7 years of age and they're watching porn and even worse stuff than that.

Sure what do we expect to happen to them when they get older

dxhound2005 · 16-05-2019 10:41PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Reminds me of Jamie Bolger.

Reminds me of Mary Bell.

Andrew00 · 16-05-2019 10:43PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

There's a difference between trying to burn a homeless man alive and burning a homeless man out of his tent. Clearly burning some fella out of his tent is deplorable, but it's clearly not as evil as intentionally trying to burn him alive.

What the hell is this post

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2019 10:44PM

K.Flyer wrote: »

Most likely they will try blame the homeless and ban them from using tents.

A lot of people are secretly delighted and radicalizing kids.

When you start dehumanizing people and talking about the 'cull' and these people are what is wrong with the country ...children call your bluff.

Its practically Nietzschen .....he always said our children call out your hypocrisy in the worst possible way. If you say you believe in god and beat your wife your children will stop believing in god...

You can teach children to be apathetic enough to a group of people enough to kill them.

Plumbthedepths · 16-05-2019 10:47PM

Stop the child allowance for all concerned for 3 months give the money to the homeless guy as compensation. Hitting the parents in the pocket will concentrate their minds on their offsprings behaviour.

s7ryf3925pivug · 16-05-2019 10:48PM

K.Flyer wrote: »

Sounds like you are trying to make excuses for these little scrotes behavior.
How do you know what their intentions were? There are some evil twisted young minds out there.
The person was in the tent, they knew he was in tent and set fire to it, what the fcuk was the intention, to give him a little extra heat on a chilly night.
If someone set fire to a house, knowing that a person was in the house and the person dies, thats a murder charge, how would this be so different from attempted murder.

I'm not; I'm saying the article is sensationalist. Just as much so when it describes a heroic council worker. Putting out a tent that is on fire is a decent act, but it doesn't involve heroism.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2019 10:53PM

Andrew00 wrote: »

What the hell is this post

Its an argument justifying the burning of a homeless man on the grounds that he was in his tent.

Fallacy of relative privation. 'Not as bad as.'

I would also like to ad its not as bad as burning 100 homeless people in a tent now THAT would be evil.

Or not as good ..depending on your feelings toward homeless people.

I think we should watch our attitudes towards the poor and homeless when it gets to maybe 1000 homeless people being burnt in tents?? Not before 500 though.

Hedgelayer · 16-05-2019 10:55PM

Some parts of Dublin reminds me of some of the mega cities in the comic 2000 AD which I read back in the 80s and 90's.

Absolute mayhem, my dad was a prison officer in the 70's until 2005

He remembered the old generation of prisoners who were bank robbers and thief's telling him to wait for the next generation, actually it was one of the Dunn guys from Dublin who told dad that what's coming up is way worse than what's around now.
This was just before the drug Lords started to hold sway.

Now we're onto the 4th wave of skangerism since my dad's conversation and the next wave will be worse again....

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2019 10:55PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Reminds me of Mary Bell.

I just looked that up. Now i feel sick.

El_Bee · 16-05-2019 10:55PM

I know juvenile delinquency/anti social behavior is as old as civilization, but these kids are apparently pre-teens, and yes it is attempted murder, if I burn your house down with you inside I cant just tell the Judge "well I was sure they'd jump out a window or something", what if I shoot at you but I was certain you'd take cover?
I dunno if it's just me but I feel as though the reaction to stories like this and that poor girl's murder is somehow... muted, like as a society we've just shrugged and said "sure what's to be done?".

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2019 10:57PM

gozunda wrote: »

Read Lord of the Flies ...

Brilliant book. Important book.

s7ryf3925pivug · 16-05-2019 10:57PM

El_Bee wrote: »

I know juvenile delinquency/anti social behavior is as old as civilization, but these kids are apparently pre-teens, and yes it is attempted murder, if I burn your house down with you inside I cant just tell the Judge "well I was sure they'd jump out a window or something", what if I shoot at you but I was certain you'd take cover?
I dunno if it's just me but I feel as though the reaction to stories like this and that poor girl's murder is somehow... muted, like as a society we've just shrugged and said "sure what's to be done?".

These strike me as reasonable defences; pleading guilty to manslaughter to avoid a murder conviction.

fonecrusher1 · 16-05-2019 10:58PM

Andrew00 wrote: »

What the hell is this post

Its quite simple. He's implying the thread title is a little misleading and sensationalist.

Thread title: Children attempt to burn homeless man alive
Article title: Gang of kids laugh after burning homeless man out of his tent in North Dublin

Yes of course its criminal behavior but the fact is they set light to a tent. Not a homeless person.

Despicable little retches.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2019 11:14PM

El_Bee wrote: »

I know juvenile delinquency/anti social behavior is as old as civilization, but these kids are apparently pre-teens, and yes it is attempted murder, if I burn your house down with you inside I cant just tell the Judge "well I was sure they'd jump out a window or something", what if I shoot at you but I was certain you'd take cover?
I dunno if it's just me but I feel as though the reaction to stories like this and that poor girl's murder is somehow... muted, like as a society we've just shrugged and said "sure what's to be done?".

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-reviews/10-things-we-learned-from-shocking-documentary-irelands-teen-killers-34757818.html

They are not taught kindness. They are not taught the value of vulnerability. They are not taught stoicism. They are not taught to do right because it is right and not to do wrong because it is wrong.

And most of all they are not told ' NO' no you can't have that, you can't do that and no means no.

Strong means 'hard' in Ireland. It baffles me.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2019 11:16PM

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Its quite simple. He's implying the thread title is a little misleading and sensationalist.

Thread title: Children attempt to burn homeless man alive
Article title: Gang of kids laugh after burning homeless man out of his tent in North Dublin

Yes of course its criminal behavior but the fact is they set light to a tent. Not a homeless person.

Despicable little retches.

They tried to set him alight in his tent.

dxhound2005 · 16-05-2019 11:19PM

In the good old days dozens of people were blown to bits by car bombs. But some people think things are worse now.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2019 11:23PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

In the good old days dozens of people were blown to bits by car bombs. But some people think things are worse now.

The apathetic youths of today just have a different hobby.

Same people different tune.

You don't play with these kids ....they're hard..you can't give up on them ..but i wouldn't play around with them either..some parts of dublin are dangerous

Noveight · 16-05-2019 11:28PM

Monkey see, monkey do is the oldest rule in the book. Childers allowance means popping a few babbies out before your 21st is a wise investment.

Rear them properly? Fuk dah, it’s tuff bein a single mudder, Joe.

s7ryf3925pivug · 16-05-2019 11:29PM

Kids put horse chestnut pods [the spiky green things that have conkers in them] under my tyres while I was parked. The headline will be 'Children attempt to cause fatal road accident'. Because if your tyres all blew out while you were driving at speed you could be in a horrific crash and die.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2019 11:31PM

Judith Victorious Upholstery wrote: »

Kids put horse chestnut pods [the spiky green things that have conkers in them] under my tyres while I was parked. The headline will be 'Children attempt to cause fatal road accident'. Because if your tyres all blew out while you were driving at speed you could be in a horrific crash and die.

What would you say if they set fire to your car while you were in it and it caught fire so you had to jump out to save your life?

bodhrandude · 16-05-2019 11:31PM

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Its quite simple. He's implying the thread title is a little misleading and sensationalist.

Thread title: Children attempt to burn homeless man alive
Article title: Gang of kids laugh after burning homeless man out of his tent in North Dublin

Yes of course its criminal behavior but the fact is they set light to a tent. Not a homeless person.

Despicable little retches.

I don't know there, it seems the same thing to me, what if he was asleep, if he was he would've had a nasty burn, might be a hairy fellah, not nice having your hair go on fire, is it.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2019 11:33PM

All these people saying punish the parents etc

These kids are not marshmellows who are going to cry at few months in a youth offenders center or a beating from their parents.

They are hard kids. They are not just going to make the substitute teacher cry and bully her online they are going to beat the crap out of her and set her car on fire. Its a different world.

In a few years they will have guns.

They need a long term plan. They will need state supervision and social care until adulthood and a lot of help.

A schoolmate of mine was a runaway by nine a truant etc ..little stuff ....by the time she was 15 she had shot someone.

16-05-2019 11:38PM

Unfortunately homeless people are often not looked at as people at all. You often hear things about them being urinated on, made fun of by dickheads on nights out and otherwise stripped of their dignity... and it seems to be acceptable in some circles. A sad indictment.

s7ryf3925pivug · 16-05-2019 11:40PM

Kids unscrewed the top of the salt in a cafe. The headline will be 'Children attempt to cause fatal heart attack'. This is because the next person will pour salt all over their dinner, and eating too much salt can lead to high blood pressure which can result in a heart attack... It can go on to talk about the heroic waitress who offered to replace the meal.

16-05-2019 11:50PM

Judith Victorious Upholstery wrote: »

Kids unscrewed the top of the salt in a cafe. The headline will be 'Children attempt to cause fatal heart attack'.

That's the same as attempting to burn someone's gaff down... because that's essentially what the story here is. But sure they're only a hobo and it's just a bit of cloth.

Children attempt to burn homeless man alive

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