ASTI ballot

doc_17 · 02-05-2019 1:52pm

the government are in a hard place with the way they treated the nurses differently to the ASTI. If they give back what they took from the ASTI then they will be seen as toothless. If they are too frightened to apply the same standard to nurses then they are frightened. Either way, they have no credibility on this issue.

judeboy101 · 02-05-2019 5:07pm

Nurses just sold out the new entrants https://www.thejournal.ie/nurses-strike-11-4617128-May2019/#comments

Bobtheman · 02-05-2019 6:17pm

judeboy101 wrote: »

Nurses just sold out the new entrants https://www.thejournal.ie/nurses-strike-11-4617128-May2019/#comments

Was Pay for new entrants ever really in the mix here?

doc_17 · 02-05-2019 6:33pm

Bobtheman wrote: »

judeboy101 wrote: »

Nurses just sold out the new entrants https://www.thejournal.ie/nurses-strike-11-4617128-May2019/#comments

Was Pay for new entrants ever really in the mix here?

Not sure they were able to include new entrant pay in the discussions as that would be a PS wide implication.

Bobtheman · 02-05-2019 6:42pm

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2019/0502/1047147-united-arab-emirates/

Bobtheman · 02-05-2019 6:49pm

See above. Take a workforce. Cut their pay. Ask them to do more work for a pay cut? Create three pay scales.. Throw in bull**** workload. Have the media tell you that youre wasters. Make it impossible to get a house. Let the insurance industry ride car drivers.
Then sit back and scratch your head and wonder about why teachers are flooding to the middle East!

judeboy101 · 02-05-2019 6:55pm

Bobtheman wrote: »

Was Pay for new entrants ever really in the mix here?

No but from my understanding it pays for itself by delaying pay increases for new entrants.

acequion · 02-05-2019 9:32pm

As far as I can see the nurses are as spineless as the teachers. I remember there were bucket loads of anger on the INMO facebook page when their leadership urged acceptance as many saw it as a climbdown, not what they went out on strike for etc etc and there was a lot of divide and conquer. Yet they've accepted it!!

Is it that they're mainly women? And I'm a woman before I get attacked for being sexist! Or is it just that public servants in general are a soft touch and easily mollified?

Now I admit I'm posting in a lot of ignorance here because I've been too busy to follow the nurses' story but in a few minutes when I close up the books for the day I'll read up on it.[Been working since 9am, the life of a teacher eh

but then aren't we meant to have it cushy and are really wasters :rolleyes:]

coillsaille · 03-05-2019 12:05pm

Finally some action..

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2019/0503/1047295-asti-court-challenge/

judeboy101 · 03-05-2019 1:33pm

coillsaille wrote: »

Finally some action..

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2019/0503/1047295-asti-court-challenge/

Only winners here will be the solicitors and barristers.

Icsics · 03-05-2019 1:37pm

coillsaille wrote: »

Finally some action..

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2019/0503/1047295-asti-court-challenge/

Good, high court is the only thing this Govt understands

doc_17 · 03-05-2019 6:00pm

It’ll be won or settled. Unions don’t go to high court unless they are very certain they’ll win

judeboy101 · 03-05-2019 6:21pm

doc_17 wrote: »

It’ll be won or settled. Unions don’t go to high court unless they are very certain they’ll win

So can I expect back pay?

doc_17 · 03-05-2019 10:22pm

judeboy101 wrote: »

doc_17 wrote: »

It’ll be won or settled. Unions don’t go to high court unless they are very certain they’ll win

So can I expect back pay?

Maybe not back pay, but whatever point you are on the scale will be bumped up one I would imagine

SligoBrewer · 10-05-2019 2:46pm

doc_17 wrote: »

Maybe not back pay, but whatever point you are on the scale will be bumped up one I would imagine

I want back pay.

Mardy Bum · 10-05-2019 5:50pm

doc_17 wrote: »

Maybe not back pay, but whatever point you are on the scale will be bumped up one I would imagine

Did we lose out on a full year? I thought it was 3 months?

doc_17 · 10-05-2019 7:43pm

Mardy Bum wrote: »

doc_17 wrote: »

Maybe not back pay, but whatever point you are on the scale will be bumped up one I would imagine

Did we lose out on a full year? I thought it was 3 months?

I don’t know what you lost out on. But if the Industrial Action lasted the school year then the increments were frozen for the whole year I’d imagine? So for a year you were stuck on point x.

doc_17 · 10-05-2019 7:44pm

SligoBrewer wrote: »

doc_17 wrote: »

Maybe not back pay, but whatever point you are on the scale will be bumped up one I would imagine

I want back pay.

I’m sorry to say that I don’t have that power.

Mardy Bum · 10-05-2019 8:52pm

doc_17 wrote: »

I don’t know what you lost out on. But if the Industrial Action lasted the school year then the increments were frozen for the whole year I’d imagine? So for a year you were stuck on point x.

Was it October (S&S refusal) to May (Emergency ballot)?

Sir123 · 11-05-2019 9:57am

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Did we lose out on a full year? I thought it was 3 months?

Some teachers were three months as they would have had two three month increment freezes under Haddington Road.(New Increment date 1st March). Other teachers with an increment date usually in September who weren't penalised under Haddington Road, who would have started after the freezing of increments, effectively had a 9 month freeze as their increment in September 2016 wasn't paid until June 2017.

The Dept just need to restore everyone to their proper point. Fair is fair.

judeboy101 · 11-05-2019 10:12am

Sir123 wrote: »

Some teachers were three months as they would have had two three month increment freezes under Haddington Road.(New Increment date 1st March). Other teachers with an increment date usually in September who weren't penalised under Haddington Road, who would have started after the freezing of increments, effectively had a 9 month freeze as their increment in September 2016 wasn't paid until June 2017.

The Dept just need to restore everyone to their proper point. Fair is fair.

banks are paying millions in compo to customers who were wrongly taken off trackers as they had a right to be on them. if courts find gov had no right to remove increments from us and us alone, do we not get compo for distress etc...

gaiscioch · 12-05-2019 5:44am

Regarding compensation, I want aggravated damages and damages for victimisation for that time we got all the cuts while Labour ministers increased the salaries of all their advisors. Yes, just for that contrast. Yes, FG were also at it but Labour was supposed to be on our side. Am I the only one to remember that? Labour's "reform" in government: "Do as we say, not as we do".

Just to jog your memories, these cuts to teachers were at the same time as the secretary general of the very same "reforming" Department of Education retired at the age of 53 on a pension of €114,000 per annum for the rest of her life (on top of her after tax lumpsum of €204,000): Senior civil servant to get €114,000 pension at 53

When Gilmore stood up in the 2011 election to tell us that he believed Ireland's best days were still to come - yes, some of us were naive enough to listen to all that - he omitted to mention that by Ireland he meant the clique of smoked salmon socialists around him and it was the rest of us who would be taking the beatings.

Don't worry, current Labour election candidates - I've totally forgotten this already.

doc_17 · 12-05-2019 12:16pm

judeboy101 wrote: »

Sir123 wrote: »

Some teachers were three months as they would have had two three month increment freezes under Haddington Road.(New Increment date 1st March). Other teachers with an increment date usually in September who weren't penalised under Haddington Road, who would have started after the freezing of increments, effectively had a 9 month freeze as their increment in September 2016 wasn't paid until June 2017.

The Dept just need to restore everyone to their proper point. Fair is fair.

banks are paying millions in compo to customers who were wrongly taken off trackers as they had a right to be on them. if courts find gov had no right to remove increments from us and us alone, do we not get compo for distress etc...

The Gov will argue that that they had the authority to do what they did under FEMPI. The Union will argue that they were unfairly treated as the nurses did not have FEMPI applied to them.

Benicetomonty · 13-05-2019 9:06am

doc_17 wrote: »

The Gov will argue that that they had the authority to do what they did under FEMPI. The Union will argue that they were unfairly treated as the nurses did not have FEMPI applied to them.

Open and shut discrimination case you would think. Moreso when you consider the nurses went on strike in spite of their acceptance of the PSSA and the ASTI took industrial action having rejected Lansdowne. Don't know how the Gov will get out of this one but no doubt they will.

Surely if it goes all the way and the ASTI were to win, that would mean the increment would revert to the correct dates and the money lost by members would have to be refunded.

Bobtheman · 13-05-2019 12:00pm

FEMPI should not be in place 5 years after we left the bailout. If FG/FF/LAB and SF ever wonder why their votes are pretty stagnant-this is one of the causes. and Yes SF -do support FEMPI

The problem is the rest of the left is so disunited.

Bobtheman · 15-05-2019 5:36pm

Just checked with SF. They are only party to commit to pay equality with a time frame. 2020

wirelessdude01 · 15-05-2019 8:28pm

Bobtheman wrote:

Just checked with SF. They are only party to commit to pay equality with a time frame. 2020

Safe in the knowledge that it will never be something that they can force.

Bobtheman · 16-05-2019 11:21am

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Safe in the knowledge that it will never be something that they can force.

I think you are being facetious. The costings are part of an alternative budget in 2019. A promise is at least a start. All the other Major Parties- FF,FG,LAb have no such promise.
Sf are likely to be in power or have a shot at being in power after the next election.
Can you say that for the PBP,Soc Party local ind?
Im not a member of SF. I have never voted for them up to now but Im at the point where I probably will.

Sick of the rest

salonfire · 16-05-2019 1:55pm

Bobtheman wrote: »

Just checked with SF. They are only party to commit to pay equality with a time frame. 2020

And take it away again and more with increased taxes targeted to the high earners in their eyes.

SligoBrewer · 16-05-2019 3:17pm

salonfire wrote: »

And take it away again and more with increased taxes targeted to the high earners in their eyes.

sounds great

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