"Non book readers" Season 8 - Speculation Thread - Spoilers on thread from 15th Apr

Westernyelp · 12-05-2019 01:01AM

dsmythy wrote:

The problem with the North having special status is why can't the rest have the same? That's the question they'd ask. You're either monarch of the seven kingdoms as they are or head of something else.

Is this Brexit or GOT your on about?

threeball · 12-05-2019 08:34AM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Would it not be easier and more practical to just have Arya kill Cersei using her Faceless person skills instead of Daenarys waging a moronic all out war on Cerseis forces ?

All sense of reason left in season 7 so don't expect anything other than explosions, weapons the US army would be proud of and mass violence. The bigger the body count the bigger the ratings.

Ferajacka · 12-05-2019 08:55AM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Would it not be easier and more practical to just have Arya kill Cersei using her Faceless person skills instead of Daenarys waging a moronic all out war on Cerseis forces ?

Arya already had her big save the day moment, not sure the writers or the story will let her have second one.

s7ryf3925pivug · 12-05-2019 01:02PM

GRRM not delighted with the season. Says give more seasons would be required to stay faithful to the book. He was also annoyed by unimportant characters being given lots to do because they're popular.

Saw an article pointing out there is an inscription of a big dragon with three small dragons on the rotating rings in the opening credits for this season. Drogon also disappeared for a while before. And there was some suggestion that dragon sexes are difficult to determine and possible to change at will. So all of this leads to the notion that some smaller dragons might accompany an assault on kings landing, allowing them to evade and overwhelm the ballistae.

s7ryf3925pivug · 12-05-2019 01:06PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

Dany is not that bright tbh. She never needed to be as she had dragons and amazing armies, but she would be lost without her advisers who bar latecomer Tyrion are dead.

Its quite believable that she right now would seek to settle her issues with Cersai the most brutal way possible.

Arya maybe taking Qyburns face to get close to Cersai would be cool, but a show which has been very much about fan service probably won't want to swerve us from the inevitable of Jamie killing his sister.

There's a thread on reddit where a guy listed instances of foreshadowing of her razing kings landing since season one. It's pretty good. The main point is that she has consistently been inclined to extreme violence, we just didn't notice or care too much because her enemies were dreadful people, and she was consistently reined in by her level headed advisers.

soap1978 · 12-05-2019 01:28PM

It's a pity the night king didn't kill them all

MisterAnarchy · 12-05-2019 01:53PM

Zelda Sparse Marlin wrote: »

Saw an article pointing out there is an inscription of a big dragon with three small dragons on the rotating rings in the opening credits for this season. Drogon also disappeared for a while before. And there was some suggestion that dragon sexes are difficult to determine and possible to change at will. So all of this leads to the notion that some smaller dragons might accompany an assault on kings landing, allowing them to evade and overwhelm the ballistae.

Its a possibility but I dont see it happening at this late stage ,no new plotlines will be introduced ,not enough time .
The Big Dragon is probably Daenarys ,the mother of Dragons and the 3 smaller dragons are the real dragons.

The writers dont seem to care much for the Dragons ,poor old Drogon will probably be killed off in some idiotic way this week .
Less CGI costs for HBO to worry about .

Tazzimus · 12-05-2019 02:09PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Its a possibility but I dont see it happening at this late stage ,no new plotlines will be introduced ,not enough time .
The Big Dragon is probably Daenarys ,the mother of Dragons and the 3 smaller dragons are the real dragons.

The writers dont seem to care much for the Dragons ,poor old Drogon will probably be killed off in some idiotic way this week .
Less CGI costs for HBO to worry about .

HBO seemingly had no trouble throwing money at this, it's D & D that decided on shorter seasons, etc. I imagine HBO would have been happy to keep it going for another few seasons considering the popularity.

MisterAnarchy · 12-05-2019 03:16PM

Tazzimus wrote: »

HBO seemingly had no trouble throwing money at this, it's D & D that decided on shorter seasons, etc. I imagine HBO would have been happy to keep it going for another few seasons considering the popularity.

Yes ,its not entirely clear why the show was ended so quickly ,surely its in HBO's interest to keep it going longer as its a massive money earner and brand builder for them.

The main reason would seem to be retaining the main actors ,some were keen to move onto other things.
Emilia Clark,Sophie Turner and Kit Harrington are probably the main actors who could go on to bigger things but for the rest of the cast I'd have thought Game of Thrones would be a great earner for them and they'd be quite content to have extra seasons.

If it was it's D & D that decided on shorter seasons then they should just have stepped away from the show and gotten new showrunners and writers instead of the mess seasons 7 and 8 have been.

Paddy Cow · 12-05-2019 04:27PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Yes ,its not entirely clear why the show was ended so quickly ,surely its in HBO's interest to keep it going longer as its a massive money earner and brand builder for them.

The main reason would seem to be retaining the main actors ,some were keen to move onto other things.
Emilia Clark,Sophie Turner and Kit Harrington are probably the main actors who could go on to bigger things but for the rest of the cast I'd have thought Game of Thrones would be a great earner for them and they'd be quite content to have extra seasons.

If it was it's D & D that decided on shorter seasons then they should just have stepped away from the show and gotten new showrunners and writers instead of the mess seasons 7 and 8 have been.

Both are good looking but only average at best actors. After the show dies down I don't see them being big Hollywood contenders.

MisterAnarchy · 12-05-2019 04:45PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Both are good looking but only average at best actors. After the show dies down I don't see them being big Hollywood contenders.

Agreed .
Harrington is the better actor of the two.

Success in Hollywood isnt based on acting ability alone though,most of the people who make it are very average actors ,some terrible.

TerrorFirmer · 12-05-2019 06:33PM

Emilia Clarke's acting is actually much stronger this season in particular, though it's sort of lost in all the negativity which is a shame. Always thought Kit Harrington had a charm to him, not that he's necessarily a good actor but he works very well as Jon Snow, but couldn't see him in heavy-hitting roles. A bit like something like Casper Van Dien in Starship Troopers really.

Equally I think they'll both do fine and trade well enough on their fame. Success is really luck of the draw in Hollywood, no end of medicore actors raking in cash while excellent actors make do with bit parts, not to mention those who never make it at all.

GRRM not delighted with the season. Says give more seasons would be required to stay faithful to the book. He was also annoyed by unimportant characters being given lots to do because they're popular.

Wouldn't care so much about his opinion in general - if he'd wanted the show to mirror his vision a little closer, he would've written he bloody things rather than meandering around the place, and devoting years to writing lore books, side adventure novels, etc. The first season was airing when the last book was released! Even if S7 and S8 were rushed, the general narrative and scripting would've been far better with his material to actually work from (not that that fully excuses D&D's horrible writing in S8 either)

However, I would understand his disappointment at how poor S7 and S8 are relative to what came before. He may not have liked what they did with S5 and S6 after diverging from his material, and how it differed from his creative vision, but fundementally it was still pretty good and well received Game of Thrones.

The rushed, sloppy, lazy nature of S8 in particular goes way, way beyond a mere difference in vision though. This rushed, hacked ending that really just appears to be taking a hot dump over the whole built up saga will forever be associated with the legacy of Game of Thrones and I'd say that hurts GRRM immensely.

Can't really blame him. It's one thing to take a franchise a place that diverages from the authors with due care.... it's quite another to do it in a blatant "We just don't give a crap anymore and want this over with" fashion.

13-05-2019 01:04AM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Would it not be easier and more practical to just have Arya kill Cersei using her Faceless person skills instead of Daenarys waging a moronic all out war on Cerseis forces ?

I guess these aren't exactly fully allied characters, while they want to kill Cercsi there doesn't seem to be any idea what they want to do after.

homerun_homer · 13-05-2019 01:45PM

I love how the new trailer for finale shows huge numbers of Unsullied and Dothraki. WTF!?

I predict a sh!t show of an episode following this penultimate one. I want the Night King to magically appear and kill everyone now.

OptimusTractor · 13-05-2019 02:02PM

I'm just disappointed that Arya, Beric and Clegane will never get to lead a band of merry misfits on wacky adventures.

Paddy Cow · 13-05-2019 06:14PM

homerun_homer wrote: »

I love how the new trailer for finale shows huge numbers of Unsullied and Dothraki. WTF!?

I predict a sh!t show of an episode following this penultimate one. I want the Night King to magically appear and kill everyone now.

D&D kinda forget that the Long Night was meant to be the end of the Dothraki.

is_that_so · 13-05-2019 10:34PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

D&D kinda forget that the Long Night was meant to be the end of the Dothraki.

Nah, Dany resurrected them all as her own dead army.

Slydice · 13-05-2019 10:57PM

Slydice wrote: »

Armoured Dragon! Calling it now!

eh... nevermind

Paddy Cow · 14-05-2019 12:03AM

Slydice wrote: »

eh... nevermind

You weren't entirely wrong......he had lots of plot armour

Ferajacka · 14-05-2019 07:44PM

Dany to attack winterfell but Bran uses his powers to controller the dragon?

Loafing Oaf · 14-05-2019 07:48PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Nah, Dany resurrected them all as her own dead army.

Yeah Qyburn discovered how to do and it now the secret's out. Like making scorpions...

spacecoyote · 15-05-2019 08:23AM

What odds that no bodies are found for Cersei & Jamie since they're buried at the bottom of a pile of rubble.

As a result of that after Dany figures out that Tyrion let Jamie go, suspects that they may have survived & escaped off together, so she kills Tyrion

Tazzimus · 15-05-2019 09:29AM

Jon see's Arya emerge from the pile of rubble that was Kings Landing, loses the plot cos she was almost killed by Dany, confronts Dany who then tries to kill him, is killed by Arya for trying to kill Jon, Drogon kills Arya.
Or something like that, maybe

SlipperyPeople · 15-05-2019 09:44AM

Jon kills Dany.

Drogon kills Jon.

Drogon becomes king.

Queue theme music

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paulbok · 15-05-2019 11:18AM

SlipperyPeople wrote: »

Jon kills Dany.

Drogon kills Jon.

Drogon becomes king.

Queue theme music

At this stage that's no dafter than what will probably happen.

15-05-2019 06:11PM

Dany will try and set fire to Jon, find out he's immune to fire.

She'll behead him, throwback to Ned Stark.

Sansa poisons Dany, Arya potentially stabbing her as well.

Sansa on the throne.

Jon won't live til the end of the episode anyway

gandalf · 15-05-2019 08:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Jon won't live til the end of the episode anyway

One can hope! The direction they have him going this season is annoying me more and more.

I'd love to see Arya get onto the throne. I can't understand why they only have six episodes for the final season. The whole narrative has been rushed and would have benefited more from developing the story better.

It's almost like they went "feck it, I'm sick of this lets get it over with quickly...".

Hande hoche! · 15-05-2019 08:56PM

gandalf wrote: »

One can hope! The direction they have him going this season is annoying me more and more.

I'd love to see Arya get onto the throne. I can't understand why they only have six episodes for the final season. The whole narrative has been rushed and would have benefited more from developing the story better.

It's almost like they went "feck it, I'm sick of this lets get it over with quickly...".

It was made that bit worse by the extended gap between the seasons.

Slydice · 15-05-2019 09:18PM

Right, I haven't a clue but shur it's the last episode so let's give it a guess....

Jon + Dany
versus
Sansa + Arya

Somehow I guess Arya is last one standing.

Either she Marries or is Killed by Gendry

So then .. either Gendry or Gendry + Arya on the throne.

Probably still in Kings Landing.

The more things change ... the more the stay the same.

The last GOT fan to leave the thread, please turn out the lights.

Evade · 15-05-2019 09:27PM

Jon kills Dany and then Drogon eats him.

King's Landing is razed and abandoned.

No more united Seven Kingdoms.

Flash forward a couple of decades and the Seven Kingdoms are still fighting with each other, the wheel never breaks.

"Non book readers" Season 8 - Speculation Thread - Spoilers on thread from 15th Apr

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