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Irelands big issue when it comes to tax in this country is that there is no visibility where our tax euros go.
If there were details reports on every euro collected from income, VAT, VRT, motor tax, companies tax, prsi, usc etc and where they are being spent in detail not just broad figures, people would be more willing to give up small amounts to benefit the country and them in the long term.
But as someone said earlier, it's one big melting pot ripe for the picking for some politicians pet project with little to no benefit to the country as a whole.
Just look at the latest cluster fcuk by an Irish government, the national broadband plan. Whoever in their right mind ever thought that whole setup where some private firm benefits to the tune of hundreds of millions per year with pretty much zero risk while the tax payer coughs up billions to subsidise them was deluded.
So if we could see what exactly is being spent on healthcare, education, transport, housing etc and see if we are getting value for money and the money managers in those areas being held responsible for their revenues and spending, then people may not be do against yet another tax which disappears into the black hole of the government coffers.
I know governments cant be run like across the board like a business, as in you chop the unprofitable bits such as rural public transport etc, these are necessary and must never be sacrificed but there have to be efficiencies in some areas to be made and more transparency.
Some obvious ones:
Healthcare: an end to the HSE old boys club and a clean start. Proper accountability and a cleaning from top down of management. The whole scandal around the new children's hospital is a complete disgrace, people being left on trolleys for days, dead bodies decomposing because of no proper facilities, cases in the courts of medical negligence almost weekly, but no admission of guilt of course. C'mon, that's a bloody joke.
Rents/property prices: Limits, simple as. It works in almost every country in Europe except here. No more hiking of rents because they can. Proper oversight and management of estate agents, vulture funds, banks over priced mortgages and developers building substandard developments for hyper inflated prices. Offer people long term rental agreements with proper protection in place. No more developers having politicians in their pockets. If they are exposed, they are done. Only deterrent is jail time and assets seized. No more tribunals with zero accountability yet millions being spent, you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar, you're done buddy.
Transport/Roads: A proper transport system in place for all. Reduce the number of cars on the roads, more buses, trains, trams. Get rid of motor tax, put it on petrol and diesel. You drive more you pay more with provisions for those who work in the transport sector so as not to bankrupt them. More incentives for hybrids or electric cars. Proper cycle ways to make it safer to commute via bicycle.
Insurance: Limit payouts. A proper database of claimants. If you're a serial false claimer, you are done. Proper jail time. Threats of 10 years plus. If you're risking going to jail for 60k, you deserve to spend time in prison.
Employment: A proper apprenticeship scheme like they have in Switzerland. You can train to be anything from a painter to an accounting technician using an apprenticeship. If you want to go further, you can do professional exams during employment to progress in your career.
Unemployment: no more gravy train for long term able bodied unemployed. If you want the dole, you do 20 hours a week of employment. Cleaning public facilities, gardening in parks, maintaining public areas, picking up rubbish on beaches etc. As county council staff in these areas retire, they are back filled with unemployed. The work is done, but in return for unemployment benefit. You dont turn up, your unemployment is deducted. You have mobile check in systems and proper management linked to the public services card.
Childcare/Education: How any government thinks its suitable for couples to spend a single income on childcare each month is crazy. The alternative, dont work so less income, less spending power, less tax coming into the government. They are bleating on about how our population is getting older and less workers to provide tax to cover their costs. That's because it's too expensive to have children. If people do have children, they are having fewer and having them when older, so children are only coming into the work force when they are retiring. Education is becoming more expensive, high accommodation costs for children at college is actually forcing some to drop out of college.
Jaysus that was some rant. Was only trying to make a point about more visibility with taxes and government spending
Deep breath, now back to work to pay more taxes
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ToxicPaddy wrote: »Irelands big issue when it comes to tax in this country is that there is no visibility where our tax euros go.
If there were details reports on every euro collected from income, VAT, VRT, motor tax, companies tax, prsi, usc etc and where they are being spent in detail not just broad figures, people would be more willing to give up small amounts to benefit the country and them in the long term.
But as someone said earlier, it's one big melting pot ripe for the picking for some politicians pet project with little to no benefit to the country as a whole.
Just look at the latest cluster fcuk by an Irish government, the national broadband plan. Whoever in their right mind ever thought that whole setup where some private firm benefits to the tune of hundreds of millions per year with pretty much zero risk while the tax payer coughs up billions to subsidise them was deluded.
So if we could see what exactly is being spent on healthcare, education, transport, housing etc and see if we are getting value for money and the money managers in those areas being held responsible for their revenues and spending, then people may not be do against yet another tax which disappears into the black hole of the government coffers.
I know governments cant be run like across the board like a business, as in you chop the unprofitable bits such as rural public transport etc, these are necessary and must never be sacrificed but there have to be efficiencies in some areas to be made and more transparency.
Some obvious ones:
Healthcare: an end to the HSE old boys club and a clean start. Proper accountability and a cleaning from top down of management. The whole scandal around the new children's hospital is a complete disgrace, people being left on trolleys for days, dead bodies decomposing because of no proper facilities, cases in the courts of medical negligence almost weekly, but no admission of guilt of course. C'mon, that's a bloody joke.
Rents/property prices: Limits, simple as. It works in almost every country in Europe except here. No more hiking of rents because they can. Proper oversight and management of estate agents, vulture funds, banks over priced mortgages and developers building substandard developments for hyper inflated prices. Offer people long term rental agreements with proper protection in place. No more developers having politicians in their pockets. If they are exposed, they are done. Only deterrent is jail time and assets seized. No more tribunals with zero accountability yet millions being spent, you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar, you're done buddy.
Transport/Roads: A proper transport system in place for all. Reduce the number of cars on the roads, more buses, trains, trams. Get rid of motor tax, put it on petrol and diesel. You drive more you pay more with provisions for those who work in the transport sector so as not to bankrupt them. More incentives for hybrids or electric cars. Proper cycle ways to make it safer to commute via bicycle.
Insurance: Limit payouts. A proper database of claimants. If you're a serial false claimer, you are done. Proper jail time. Threats of 10 years plus. If you're risking going to jail for 60k, you deserve to spend time in prison.
Employment: A proper apprenticeship scheme like they have in Switzerland. You can train to be anything from a painter to an accounting technician using an apprenticeship. If you want to go further, you can do professional exams during employment to progress in your career.
Unemployment: no more gravy train for long term able bodied unemployed. If you want the dole, you do 20 hours a week of employment. Cleaning public facilities, gardening in parks, maintaining public areas, picking up rubbish on beaches etc. As county council staff in these areas retire, they are back filled with unemployed. The work is done, but in return for unemployment benefit. You dont turn up, your unemployment is deducted. You have mobile check in systems and proper management linked to the public services card.
Childcare/Education: How any government thinks its suitable for couples to spend a single income on childcare each month is crazy. The alternative, dont work so less income, less spending power, less tax coming into the government. They are bleating on about how our population is getting older and less workers to provide tax to cover their costs. That's because it's too expensive to have children. If people do have children, they are having fewer and having them when older, so children are only coming into the work force when they are retiring. Education is becoming more expensive, high accommodation costs for children at college is actually forcing some to drop out of college.
Jaysus that was some rant. Was only trying to make a point about more visibility with taxes and government spending
Deep breath, now back to work to pay more taxes
I agree with everything you said. In particular in relation to the health service being an old boy's club. I remember when the HSE was hiring temporary workers and all four of the positions available went to sons and daughters of HSE managers. Honest hard working people are funding these clubs. It has to stop.0 -
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