Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Hate crime? Really?

Options
1…910121415…36

Comments

  • Options
    #332
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    I would have loved to come across the two rats and thrown their poxy phones in the Liffey.

    FAO ohnonotgmail


    This is internet hardman nonsense.


  • Options
    #333
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,309 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    FAO ohnonotgmail


    This is internet hardman nonsense.

    I agree but so was the nonsense you posted so dont go feeling all superior


  • Options
    #334
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Good, I’m glad for her that it didn’t happen. But it very easily could have. And if that happened to any internet hard chaws like yourself, you wouldn’t brush off the resultant injuries like they were nothing. You’re fooling nobody. Well, I believe you wouldn’t be bothered at witnessing it happening to somebody else. In which case... go you?

    We've already dealt with the coulda, woulda, didn'ts of this case. :rolleyes:


  • Options
    #335
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I agree but so was the nonsense you posted so dont go feeling all superior

    What is hard about going about life in a normal way without feeling terrified all day every day???


  • Options
    #336
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    My cousin is quite a small chap, but woudn't be a dwarf, maybe he's 5ft 2, if someone leapfrogged over him would it be a hate crime ?


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #337
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    What is hard about going about life in a normal way without feeling terrified all day every day???
    Where was that said?

    This is about a person with dwarfism being leapfrogged over - what are you on about? Or are you making stuff up in your quest to show how lacking in empathy you are?

    He leapfrogged over her out of the blue, which would *obviously* give her a fright. She was on her own, unable to defend herself, and oh yeah... she has dwarfism, making it extra difficult to defend herself, and it was the sole reason she was targeted. So you know full well it wasn't just a standard, minor incident.

    I don't know that it was a hate crime but i really don't care what some rag or sh1tty website calls it. It was a rotten thing to do to someone, and the edgy downplaying of it (really kills some folk to show empathy) is also rotten.


  • Options
    #338
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Irene Grumpy Crystal wrote: »
    Where was that said?

    This is about a person with dwarfism being leapfrogged over - what are you on about? Or are you making stuff up in your quest to show how lacking in empathy you are?

    He leapfrogged over her out of the blue, which would *obviously* give her a fright. She was on her own, unable to defend herself, and oh yeah... she has dwarfism, making it extra difficult to defend herself, and it was the sole reason she was targeted. So you know full well it wasn't just a standard, minor incident.

    I don't know that it was a hate crime but i really don't care what some rag or sh1tty website calls it. It was a rotten thing to do to someone, and the edgy downplaying of it (really kills some folk to show empathy) is also rotten.

    Point is tho, to do this to ANYONE is asshole behaviour.
    Like I mentioned earlier my cousin is quite small, but not a traditional dwarf.
    He has been slagged all his life, in school and in college.
    It really drove him as he did really well academically and professionally now - but he could never scream hate crime or anything like that.

    These lads didn't assault her, she was in no danger, asshole behaviour and all but calling this a hate crime is a dangerous road to go down.


  • Options
    #339
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,309 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Point is tho, to do this to ANYONE is asshole behaviour.
    Like I mentioned earlier my cousin is quite small, but not a traditional dwarf.
    He has been slagged all his life, in school and in college.
    It really drove him as he did really well academically and professionally now - but he could never scream hate crime or anything like that.

    These lads didn't assault her, she was in no danger, asshole behaviour and all but calling this a hate crime is a dangerous road to go down.

    they did assault her. you just dont understand what assault is.


  • Options
    #340
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    they did assault her. you just dont understand what assault is.

    My understanding of the article is he cleared her, didn't touch her.
    Didn't verbally abuse or intimidate her.
    Now if you are telling me that's assault then I think you're the one with the problem understanding what assault is.

    Again, very dangerous road we go down if this is the definition of assault.
    What about calling someone "fatty" ?
    or speccy four eyes ? is that hate speech to those of us visually impaired ?


  • Options
    #341
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,309 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    My understanding of the article is he cleared her, didn't touch her.
    Didn't verbally abuse or intimidate her.
    Now if you are telling me that's assault then I think you're the one with the problem understanding what assault is.

    Again, very dangerous road we go down if this is the definition of assault.
    What about calling someone "fatty" ?
    or speccy four eyes ? is that hate speech to those of us visually impaired ?

    You dont need to touch somebody for it to be assault. this has been gone over multiple times on this thread alone. It is not that hard to understand. I have bolded the relevant part of the Act.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/act/26/enacted/en/print#sec2
    2.—(1) A person shall be guilty of the offence of assault who, without lawful excuse, intentionally or recklessly—

    (a) directly or indirectly applies force to or causes an impact on the body of another, or

    (b) causes another to believe on reasonable grounds that he or she is likely immediately to be subjected to any such force or impact,

    without the consent of the other.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #342
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,675 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    You are talking about a future event that we have no idea of the outcome. I'm talking about an event we do know the outcome of. Your point is nonsense.

    Why are you so desperate to avoid answering?


  • Options
    #343
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    You dont need to touch somebody for it to be assault. this has been gone over multiple times on this thread alone. It is not that hard to understand. I have bolded the relevant part of the Act.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/act/26/enacted/en/print#sec2

    So by that definition you could claim assault for an awful lot of situations.
    I've been in a lot of heated arguments and situations with random people in public over the years. I walked out of them no harm done to me mentally or physically but i could claim based on my belief of the situation s I was assaulted!?


  • Options
    #344
    Sabre0001
    Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    I imagine the staredown and being hurdled would be intimidating.

    🤪



  • Options
    #345
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,675 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    calling this a hate crime is a dangerous road to go down.

    What danger arises from calling this a hate crime ?


  • Options
    #346
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,675 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Perhaps introducing the savage rape and murder of a young teenager and talk of swinging machetes around family members isn't the way to go about it?

    Maybe it is or maybe it isn't. Have you any more compelling suggestions?


  • Options
    #347
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,309 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    So by that definition you could claim assault for an awful lot of situations.
    I've been in a lot of heated arguments and situations with random people in public over the years. I walked out of them no harm done to me mentally or physically but i could claim based on my belief of the situation s I was assaulted!?

    this was not an argument. this was not 2 people engaging with each other. this was one person (or rather 2) deciding to pick on somebody because she was smaller than them.


  • Options
    #348
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    (b) causes another to believe on reasonable grounds that he or she is likely immediately to be subjected to any such force or impact,

    without the consent of the other.



    Bollox, sure anyone could say that so about passing cars ffs!!


  • Options
    #349
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    this was not an argument. this was not 2 people engaging with each other. this was one person (or rather 2) deciding to pick on somebody because she was smaller than them.

    According to the bolded piece of text if I feel there is a danger of something happening to me in that situation that's assault? Even if it doesn't happen if I deem the situation a threat to me I can claim its assault?


  • Options
    #350
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    What danger arises from calling this a hate crime ?

    Because it's the thin end of the wedge, you call this a hate crime, then you can start calling anything a hate crime.

    Hate crime is a stupid expression anyway, it's a crime or it's not.


  • Options
    #351
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    According to the bolded piece of text if I feel there is a danger of something happening to me in that situation that's assault? Even if it doesn't happen if I deem the situation a threat to me I can claim its assault?

    Exactly, this is the can of worms, and like I said, what about a 5ft2 person that gets leapt over, is that an assault too ?
    or would they dismiss that because officially this person is not a "little person" ?


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #352
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,309 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    (b) causes another to believe on reasonable grounds that he or she is likely immediately to be subjected to any such force or impact,

    without the consent of the other.



    Bollox, sure anyone could say that so about passing cars ffs!!

    I gave you the full link but you clearly did not bother your arse to click on it. This is the next bit of the act. I think you can describe driving a car as "acceptable in the ordinary conduct of daily life". You are arguing from a position of ignorance. Resolve that problem and you might start posting intelligently.
    (3) No such offence is committed if the force or impact, not being intended or likely to cause injury, is in the circumstances such as is generally acceptable in the ordinary conduct of daily life and the defendant does not know or believe that it is in fact unacceptable to the other person.


  • Options
    #353
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    My understanding of the article is he cleared her, didn't touch her.
    Didn't verbally abuse or intimidate her.
    Now if you are telling me that's assault then I think you're the one with the problem understanding what assault is.

    Again, very dangerous road we go down if this is the definition of assault.
    What about calling someone "fatty" ?
    or speccy four eyes ? is that hate speech to those of us visually impaired ?
    They didn't intimidate her? Jesus Christ but this thread is bring the level of contrary here to a new height of stupidity


  • Options
    #354
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Irene Grumpy Crystal wrote: »
    Where was that said?

    This is about a person with dwarfism being leapfrogged over - what are you on about? Or are you making stuff up in your quest to show how lacking in empathy you are?

    He leapfrogged over her out of the blue, which would *obviously* give her a fright. She was on her own, unable to defend herself, and oh yeah... she has dwarfism, making it extra difficult to defend herself, and it was the sole reason she was targeted. So you know full well it wasn't just a standard, minor incident.

    I don't know that it was a hate crime but i really don't care what some rag or sh1tty website calls it. It was a rotten thing to do to someone, and the edgy downplaying of it (really kills some folk to show empathy) is also rotten.

    I was replying to another poster. If you don't know the context i'd advise reading the thread. :rolleyes:


  • Options
    #355
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    You dont need to touch somebody for it to be assault. this has been gone over multiple times on this thread alone. It is not that hard to understand. I have bolded the relevant part of the Act.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/act/26/enacted/en/print#sec2

    causes another to believe on reasonable grounds that he or she is likely immediately to be subjected to any such force or impact,

    without the consent of the other.

    She didn't notice anything until he landed, after he landed he walked away so why would she believe, on reasonable grounds, that he was going to subject her to anything when he was walking away from her??


  • Options
    #356
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Why are you so desperate to avoid answering?

    It's in the post you quoted.

    Here it is again Your point is nonsense.


  • Options
    #357
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    She didn't notice anything until he landed, after he landed he walked away so why would she believe, on reasonable grounds, that he was going to subject her to anything when he was walking away from her??

    She fecking obviously noticed him going over her head
    'A whoosh followed by a thud'


  • Options
    #358
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,309 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    She didn't notice anything until he landed, after he landed he walked away so why would she believe, on reasonable grounds, that he was going to subject her to anything when he was walking away from her??

    If somebody landed in front of me after jumping over me i would assume that being attacked was a possibility. It is not a normal thing to do no matter how much you and others try to normalise it.

    and just in case you didnt bother to read the article your description is inaccurate. he did walk away after jumping over her but then turned around and walked back towards her.
    "One nudged the other, pointed to me and they both laughed. As a little person, this behaviour is sadly part of my everyday experience. As a teacher, I have a deep yearning to make these moments educational and want to help people learn that it is unkind and unjust to make derogatory remarks about people with dwarfism, but I’ve become accustomed to sensing when it is safe and unsafe to do so. I took a deep breath and kept walking.

    "It seemed to happen in slow motion. A whoosh, followed by a thud.

    "One of the boys landed in front of me. He had jumped over me, leap-frogged over my head from behind. I couldn’t believe it.

    "I couldn’t make sense of it. He walked to the end of the road, turned around and walked past me again with a frightening grin. I was furious and scared."


  • Options
    #359
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    If somebody landed in front of me after jumping over me i would assume that being attacked was a possibility. It is not a normal thing to do no matter how much you and others try to normalise it.

    and just in case you didnt bother to read the article your description is inaccurate. he did walk away after jumping over her but then turned around and walked back towards her.

    He walked to the end of the road. Then gave a "frightening grin" :rolleyes:


  • Options
    #360
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    He walked to the end of the road. Then gave a "frightening grin" :rolleyes:

    It was frightening though!!


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #361
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,309 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    He walked to the end of the road. Then gave a "frightening grin" :rolleyes:

    Your continuing internet hardman act is very tedious indeed.


Advertisement