Religion and Homophobic Hatred

hcf500 · 09-05-2019 07:45PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

He was a paedophile anyway.

That's not true

Brendan Delaney · 09-05-2019 07:48PM

hcf500 wrote: »

That's not true

Wasn't his wife seven years old?

Yer Da sells Avon · 09-05-2019 07:53PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Which left would this be Fine Gael or the Republican party? The left run f*** all.

Some people are so far to the right that they view everything, including the centre-right, as 'the left'.

Galwayguy35 · 09-05-2019 07:53PM

hcf500 wrote: »

That's not true

Actually it is.

jmreire · 09-05-2019 07:59PM

dermo888 wrote: »

Maybe you know very secular Muslims, probably of Lebanese/Turkish/Bosnian or from the former Soviet States, because they tend to have a very 'laissez faire' attitude towards life, but the ones from the Middle East and Gulf States, and ASEAN - its an all inclusive thing imposing across all areas of life and conduct.

I've drank many a pint ( and many local brew's too ) with Muslims from the state's you mention..... Lebanese/Turkish/Bosnian/ Chechnya or from the former Soviet States. No problem what so ever, and even from states a bit nearer to and in the Middle East, but these ones would be drinking behind closed door's....But all of them, no matter where they came from, loved any kind of card game, or horse / car racing etc. And I'm pretty sure that they were not averse to betting a few bob either !!!

hcf500 · 09-05-2019 08:02PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Actually it is.

Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of 6 or 7. They did not wed until her teens

trashcan · 09-05-2019 08:03PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Theyre to be stoned i think

No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle, even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say Jehovah.

jmreire · 09-05-2019 08:05PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

Why do homophobes and bigots in general use religion to excuse their disgusting and callous behavior? It’s pathetic and as far removed from my understanding of the term “Christian” as possible.

A fundamentalist Evangelical Christian woman in Ohio who pledged $7,500 towards the treatment of a gravely Ill toddler with advanced cancer retracted her donation when she learned that the child’s parents were a lesbian couple.

Story here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7001183/Homophobic-donor-withdraws-7-600-donation-cancer-stricken-toddler-realizing-parents-lesbians.html

Is that the same place where you can find the Westboro Baptist Church?? What ever they call themselves, they are about as far away from Christianity as it'd possible to get....what is the sexual preference of the parents got to do with an innocent child??? They have it wrong anyway.

jmreire · 09-05-2019 08:07PM

hcf500 wrote: »

Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of 6 or 7. They did not wed until her teens

Mohammad married Aisha when she was 6 years of age, and had sex with her when she was 9 years old. Way before her teens. She was the daughter of his best friend, Baghdadi, ( Which is why the leader of isis took that name for the caliphate )

Brendan Delaney · 09-05-2019 08:08PM

hcf500 wrote: »

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Actually it is.

Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of 6 or 7. They did not wed until her teens

He liked them young.

Mad_maxx · 09-05-2019 08:24PM

hcf500 wrote: »

Its odd but I notice that catholics use religion to defend many of their incorrect beliefs, even non practicing catholics. Christians is probably a better fit. Muslims on the other hand are far more devout but don't let it affect the daily lives as much.

Islam informs every aspect of a person's life

Mad_maxx · 09-05-2019 08:26PM

theguzman wrote: »

Is Islam they just throw you off a roof or hang you, Bigoted Christians may have some hatred but it is nothing compared to the vitriol Islam spews towards Homosexuals. Yet the LGBT lobby defend Islam when they are criticized, wheras Muslims would enforce Sharia Law and persecute Gay people.

LGBT movement ( not ordinary gay people) are part of the political - cultural left, Islam is a sacred cow of the cultural left

James Brown · 09-05-2019 08:34PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

LGBT movement ( not ordinary gay people) are part of the political - cultural left, Islam is a sacred cow of the cultural left

It must be scary living in your world where even those looking that minorities get fair treatment are the enemy.

Pissartist · 09-05-2019 08:37PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

Why do homophobes and bigots in general use religion to excuse their disgusting and callous behavior? It’s pathetic and as far removed from my understanding of the term “Christian” as possible.

A fundamentalist Evangelical Christian woman in Ohio who pledged $7,500 towards the treatment of a gravely Ill toddler with advanced cancer retracted her donation when she learned that the child’s parents were a lesbian couple.

Story here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7001183/Homophobic-donor-withdraws-7-600-donation-cancer-stricken-toddler-realizing-parents-lesbians.html

So it's ok for you to judge their beliefs ?

Galwayguy35 · 09-05-2019 08:40PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It must be scary living in your world where even those looking that minorities get fair treatment are the enemy.

Muslims aren't a minority, there's about 1.8 billion of them give or take.

One eyed Jack · 09-05-2019 08:47PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

Why do homophobes and bigots in general use religion to excuse their disgusting and callous behavior? It’s pathetic and as far removed from my understanding of the term “Christian” as possible.

Well that’s a ridiculous generalisation.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Tell us more about these bigots? :rolleyes:

Matt Barrett wrote: »

No religious person should ever be let anywhere near a position of authority IMO.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's context. A comedian will make fun of himself or a majority, because it's not seen as mean spirited.

I see, so you think you’re a comedian and therefore your particular flavour of bigotry should be perfectly understood, you might even argue it’s perfectly reasonable.

Nah, still sounds like you’re trying to excuse your own bigotry, which is from my perspective fairly mean spirited anyway, but I wouldn’t throw you off a building for it.

Odhinn · 09-05-2019 08:50PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Muslims aren't a minority, there's about 1.8 billion of them give or take.

Unless they've a stout swilling rasher chewing sect, they're a minority here.

Pero_Bueno · 09-05-2019 08:51PM

hcf500 wrote: »

Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of 6 or 7. They did not wed until her teens

Ah sorry, so she was only 13 when he was ****ing her ....

Great so! not a peadophile then, thanks for clearing that up!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

DEFTLEFTHAND · 09-05-2019 08:54PM

You have to go a lot deeper than religion to find the reasons why homosexuals have always suffered discrimination.

I think it comes down to base human instinct. Our main function on earth, like every animal , is to reproduce and continue the line. Anything which deviates from that is viewed with suspicion or in some cases outright contempt.

Feisar · 09-05-2019 09:02PM

mikemac2 wrote: »

The donor gave to St Jude Children’s Research hospital instead of this specific family in Ohio. It’ll do good there also.

The state of Ohio who can find hundreds of millions for sports venues for football franchises couldn’t or wouldn’t pay $7,600

That's a shíte name for a hospital. St. Jude is the patron saint of lost causes! Someone was trolling big time!

One eyed Jack · 09-05-2019 09:23PM

Feisar wrote: »

That's a shíte name for a hospital. St. Jude is the patron saint of lost causes! Someone was trolling big time!

Also the patron saint of hospitals, and fairly aptly named too given it was founded by a devout religious nightclub comedian and entertainer -

St. Jude was founded by entertainer Danny Thomas in 1962, with help from Lemuel Diggs and Thomas' close friend from Miami, automobile dealer Anthony Abraham. The hospital was founded on the premise that "no child should die in the dawn of life". This idea resulted from a promise that Thomas, a Maronite Catholic, had made to a saint years before the hospital was founded. Thomas was a comedian who was struggling to get a break in his career and living paycheck to paycheck. When his first child was about to be born, he attended Mass in Detroit and put his last $7.00 in the offering bin. He prayed to St. Jude Thaddeus for a means to provide for his family, and about a week later, he obtained a gig that paid 10 times what he had put in the offering bin. After that time, Thomas believed in the power of prayer. He promised St. Jude Thaddeus that if the saint made him successful, he would one day build him a shrine. Years later, Thomas became an extremely successful comedian and built St. Jude Children's Research Hospital as a shrine to St. Jude Thaddeus to honor his promise.

JupiterKid · 09-05-2019 09:28PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

You have to go a lot deeper than religion to find the reasons why homosexuals have always suffered discrimination.

I think it comes down to base human instinct. Our main function on earth, like every animal , is to reproduce and continue the line. Anything which deviates from that is viewed with suspicion or in some cases outright contempt.

That may be, but in most cases of homophobia, religion is behind the motivation of discrimination and hatred. There is an intimate and undeniable link between organized religion and homophobia.

And in any case, we humans as a species have proven that we can more than successfully reproduce. In fact, we’ve been too successful, given that our planet is now overpopulated with nigh on 8 billion people. At this point people who choose not to produce offspring should probably be lauded, not treated with suspicion. What about heterosexuals who don’t (or can’t) have children?

Also negates the fact that many gay men and in particular lesbian couples have children.

One eyed Jack · 09-05-2019 09:40PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

That may be, but in most cases of homophobia, religion is behind the motivation of discrimination and hatred. There is an intimate and undeniable link between organized religion and homophobia.

It isn’t at all actually. Behind most cases of homophobia the motivation is they are just intolerant of homosexuality.

And in any case, we humans as a species have proven that we can more than successfully reproduce. In fact, we’ve been too successful, given that our planet is now overpopulated with nigh on 8 billion people. At his point people who chose not to produce offspring should be lauded, not treated with suspicion.

Anyone who came out with such a stupid statement, I would view them with suspicion, particularly if they actually practiced what they were saying because they thought they should be lauded for their idiocy.

What about heterosexuals who don’t (or can’t) have children?

Also negates the fact that many gay men and in particular lesbian couples have children.

What about them?

The fact that many gay men and lesbian couples have children only supports the argument that our main function is to reproduce.

4068ac1elhodqr · 09-05-2019 09:47PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

In fact, we’ve been too successful, given that our planet is now overpopulated with nigh on 8 billion people.

At this point people who choose not to produce offspring should probably be lauded, not treated with suspicion.

If you're so concered about over-population send a memo to Sub-Saharan Africa & the Middle East who now have the highest birth rates in the world. (the African conteninent will surpass 2bn mark by 2050).

Brendan Delaney · 09-05-2019 09:54PM

Philip Happy Gypsum wrote: »

If you're so concered about over-population send a memo to Sub-Saharan Africa & the Middle East who now have the highest birth rates in the world. (the African conteninent will surpass 2bn mark by 2050).

Most of those will be heading to Europe too.

Leroy42 · 09-05-2019 09:56PM

Pissartist wrote: »

JupiterKid wrote: »

Why do homophobes and bigots in general use religion to excuse their disgusting and callous behavior? It’s pathetic and as far removed from my understanding of the term “Christian” as possible.

A fundamentalist Evangelical Christian woman in Ohio who pledged $7,500 towards the treatment of a gravely Ill toddler with advanced cancer retracted her donation when she learned that the child’s parents were a lesbian couple.

Story here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7001183/Homophobic-donor-withdraws-7-600-donation-cancer-stricken-toddler-realizing-parents-lesbians.html

So it's ok for you to judge their beliefs ?

Yes of course it is those beliefs impact negatively impact on others and are based on nothing and have been shown to be unfounded and contrary to even their own belief system.

Atoms for Peace · 09-05-2019 10:09PM

mikemac2 wrote: »

The donor gave to St Jude Children’s Research hospital instead of this specific family in Ohio. It’ll do good there also.

The state of Ohio who can find hundreds of millions for sports venues for football franchises couldn’t or wouldn’t pay $7,600

The highest paid public employees in the majority of US states are college football coaches.

RWCNT · 09-05-2019 10:29PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Unless they've a stout swilling rasher chewing sect

The GAAhabis.

Odhinn wrote: »

they're a minority here

Yep, about 1.5% of the population. Yet seemingly you can't make a thread criticising an evangelical Christian without it being flooded with "What about the Muslims!?!".

RWCNT · 09-05-2019 10:42PM

Pero_Bueno wrote: »

Ah sorry, so she was only 13 when he was ****ing her ....

Great so! not a peadophile then, thanks for clearing that up!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Genuine question. Wouldn't a large % of the people alive during that period and in the several hundred years either side of it have been pedophiles?

Mary would have married much older Joseph at about 13. Would this have also been the case for a lot of figures in Christianity?

One eyed Jack · 09-05-2019 10:42PM

RWCNT wrote: »

Yep, about 1.5% of the population. Yet seemingly you can't make a thread criticising an evangelical Christian without it being flooded with "What about the Muslims!?!".

There are less Evangelical Christians in Ireland than there are Muslims -

Among other Christian religions the census tells us there were 9,724 Evangelical Christians recorded in 2016, an increase of 5,536 persons on 2011.

...

There were 63,443 Muslims in Ireland in April 2016, representing 1.3 per cent of the population and signalling a continued growth in the number of Muslims in Ireland. Ireland’s Muslim community has grown from just 3,875 persons in 1991, to 19,147 in 2002, 32,539 in 2006 and 49,204 in 2011. Since 2006 the number of Muslims has nearly doubled, increasing by 95 per cent.

Figures from the CSO.

Religion and Homophobic Hatred

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