NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

tsue921i8wljb3 · 07-05-2019 10:39PM

theguzman wrote: »

It will be interesting if we see KN Networks and Open Eir's crew being contracted for the work. Fibre Technicians will be in demand now, a good training course to take.

KN yes. open eir no.

07-05-2019 10:41PM

Just watching the late debate. If we're not sure exactly which or how many houses will even be connected this system how can we possibly price the job.

I haven't been following this too close but it sounds like they all know this is going to be a hot mess and nobody will say stop because it's local election time.

listermint · 07-05-2019 10:43PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Just watching the late debate. If we're not sure exactly which or how many houses will even be connected this system how can we possibly price the job.

I haven't been following this too close but it sounds like they all know this is going to be a hot mess and nobody will say stop because it's local election time.

But they are sure. Read a few pages back for proper details ..

tsue921i8wljb3 · 07-05-2019 10:45PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Just watching the late debate. If we're not sure exactly which or how many houses will even be connected this system how can we possibly price the job.

I haven't been following this too close but it sounds like they all know this is going to be a hot mess and nobody will say stop because it's local election time.

The premises will be passed with fibre i.e the cable will be running past the entrance on poles or in ducts. You can accurately price how much that will cost. What you don't know is how many premises will want to connect to the cable passing their gate.

ED E · 07-05-2019 10:51PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

I've a different opinion on that. I think the 200 exchange buildings may be smaller exchanges over 20km away from MAN towns. For premises closer to MANs they could colocate the OLTs in existing enet locations saving on open eir exchange rental.

I really hope detailed network designs are published but I fear they won't be.

Whats the size of that subset though:
A) Remote

Physically large enough for the PCL product?

I'm not sure we've received and answer to what precisely OE is doing for RSU exchs that are getting GPON services. I suspect in a lot of cases the OLTs will reside in the old subtending parent exchs instead. If they are placing them in new roadside cabs then there is zero space to allow for PCL. Other non RSU remote exchanges are still smaller than the toilet in the back of a coach. Again no way OE will offer colo there.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 07-05-2019 10:58PM

ED E wrote: »

Whats the size of that subset though:
A) Remote
Physically large enough for the PCL product?

I'm not sure we've received and answer to what precisely OE is doing for RSU exchs that are getting GPON services. I suspect in a lot of cases the OLTs will reside in the old subtending parent exchs instead. If they are placing them in new roadside cabs then there is zero space to allow for PCL. Other non RSU remote exchanges are still smaller than the toilet in the back of a coach. Again no way OE will offer colo there.

From looking at deployment plans not many exchanges have FTTH coming from a parent. Going by Andys post in the FTTH thread I believe they may be using cabs for RSU exchanges.

If you are correct and they are coloacting in large exchanges where do the OLTs reside? NBI have no buildings or land that I am aware of.

ED E · 07-05-2019 11:10PM

The OLTs would have to go into the larger exchanges with aggregation and routing equipment. OE would provide power and cooling and connectivity if required. This gives 20km radius around these exchanges if thats enough.

Alternatively they need new street cabs like SIRO are constructing but then there's mini pillars and lots of civils involved.

Unless, you virtually unbundle but then its nearly entirely an Eircom Ltd project which seems ludicrous.

From Ireland Offline:

MANs dont really get you anywhere close to where you need to be.

irishfeen · 07-05-2019 11:15PM

That MAN’s map would be completely useless for county Cork, 20km would get almost nothing.

theguzman · 07-05-2019 11:15PM

What is an OLT lads?

ED E · 07-05-2019 11:19PM

theguzman wrote: »

What is an OLT lads?

A big boy fiber modem that connects to hundreds of modems in users homes.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 07-05-2019 11:19PM

My point is that those 88 MAN towns largely correspond with large open eir exchanges. Why bother co-locating with open eir in those towns.

theguzman · 07-05-2019 11:21PM

ED E wrote: »

A big boy fiber modem that connects to hundreds of modems in users homes.

A Fibre version of the DSLAM if you will.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_line_termination

cregmon · 07-05-2019 11:23PM

theguzman wrote: »

What is an OLT lads?

Good explanation here on terminology
https://community.fs.com/blog/abc-of-pon-understanding-olt-onu-ont-and-odn.html

ED E · 07-05-2019 11:26PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

My point is that those 88 MAN towns largely correspond with large open eir exchanges. Why bother co-locating with open eir in those towns.

With some of the largest exchanges, but not all the large enough ones. Bit of a princess and the pea here of the right mix of floor space and being in the middle of a field.

irishfeen · 07-05-2019 11:27PM

Couldn’t they just take fibre direct from the MAN towns and as need be have kiosks akin to whats in towns at the side of the road carrying the trunk fibre?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 07-05-2019 11:30PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Couldn’t they just take fibre direct from the MAN towns and as need be have kiosks akin to whats in towns at the side of the road carrying the trunk fibre?

Do you mean roadside cabinets? That requires power and planning permission I presume. I suppose they could go down that route.

ED E · 07-05-2019 11:33PM

irishfeen wrote: »

That MAN’s map would be completely useless for county Cork, 20km would get almost nothing.

These are 15km radii circles, 5km allowing for the routing of roads which is generous.

Not super. Not even sure if the MANs (eNET) have floor space in all those towns.

irishfeen · 07-05-2019 11:35PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Do you mean roadside cabinets? That requires power and planning permission I presume. I suppose they could go down that route.

Yes exactly, I don’t know the exact details of planning in terms of utilities but it cannot be rocket science. Of all things rural Ireland has is plenty of room ditch-side for cabinets. As for the power source thankfully every single house on the NBP should have active electricity lines alongside the eir poles. Seems the most logic way to undertake this if they don’t have access to eir exchanges.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 07-05-2019 11:36PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Yes exactly, I don’t know the exact details of planning in terms of utilities but it cannot be rocket science. Of all things rural Ireland has is plenty of room ditch-side for cabinets. As for the power source thankfully every single house on the NBP should have active electricity lines alongside the eir poles. Seems the most logic way to undertake this if they don’t have access to eir exchanges.

They do have access to eir exchanges (200 apparently). Myself and ED E are debating which exchanges they'll use.

irishfeen · 07-05-2019 11:39PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

They do have access to eir exchanges (200 apparently). Myself and ED E are debating which exchanges they'll use.

Ah right ok, my local exchange is Bweeng in Cork. Unless they take core fibre from Mallow town, Donoughmore or Grenagh then you would think they have to use the Bweeng exchange.

ED E · 07-05-2019 11:50PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Ah right ok, my local exchange is Bweeng in Cork. Unless they take core fibre from Mallow town, Donoughmore or Grenagh then you would think they have to use the Bweeng exchange.

A good example as its outside of the range of the MANs.

Its not listed as NGN yet, looks like its under works to get a core connection. After that if it has space for colo then it'd be an NBI base for the area going out on Eir poles passed the rural routes and into the intervention areas.

irishfeen · 07-05-2019 11:53PM

ED E wrote: »

A good example as its outside of the range of the MANs.

Its not listed as NGN yet, looks like its under works to get a core connection. After that if it has space for colo then it'd be an NBI base for the area going out on Eir poles passed the rural routes and into the intervention areas.

It almost certainly does have a core connection because there are houses gone live with installations in the village. AFAIK they brought the core fibre from Donoughmore, their very first job in the village and then the efibre was rolled out.

Bweeng never had a single broadband connection apart from dial up from Eir before this rollout.

The Cush · 08-05-2019 12:22AM

The press conference if anyone is interested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JUiom9FdjQ

https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/Pages/National-Broadband-Plan-Preffered-Bidder-Announcement.aspx

The Cush · 08-05-2019 12:44AM

https://twitter.com/RichardbrutonTD/status/1125808441237417984

tsue921i8wljb3 · 08-05-2019 12:55AM

Eir may profit from broadband rollout to tune of €1bn

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/eir-may-profit-from-broadband-rollout-to-tune-of-1bn-1.3884175

Would it have cost open eir €1bn to set up a separate wholesale division? Apparently so if we are to believe bids were similar. Though why would SIRO's bid have been similar when they didn't have to rent any infrastructure.

The Cush · 08-05-2019 01:06AM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Would it have cost open eir €1bn to set up a separate wholesale division? Apparently so if we are to believe bids were similar. Though why would SIRO's bid have been similar when they didn't have to rent any infrastructure.

Will we ever know? I presume this kind of information will never be published

tsue921i8wljb3 · 08-05-2019 01:07AM

The Cush wrote: »

Will we ever know? I presume this kind of information will never be published

No. I can't see it being published myself.

The Cush · 08-05-2019 01:08AM

I think this pretty much sums up the opposition right now

https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/1125851850853507072

The Cush · 08-05-2019 01:48AM

Most isolated areas may have to pay extra for broadband plan

Families and businesses in the most isolated parts of rural Ireland may have to pay extra fees out of their own pocket under the Government’s €3bn broadband plan.

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar admitted the situation may happen in cases where the cost of rolling out the vital service to individual homes exceeds €5,000. He insisted the number of people affected will be “exceptionally small”.
…
t the end of the 90-minute briefing yesterday, Mr Varadkar said that, in addition to this cost, in the hardest to reach and most isolated parts of the country, some families and businesses will still have to pay out of their own pocket for the service.

“There’s one caveat to that,” Mr Varadkar clarified when Mr Bruton said people living in certain parts of the country will not face extra costs.

“If it costs more than €5,000 to connect to your particular premises, you’ll be asked for a contribution [for any cost] over the €5,000.

Mr Bruton later said that, even in these cases, it is hoped the McCourt consortium will use its 1%-2% breathing space clause in the still unsigned contract to use a form of wireless access for these homes.

Speaking to reporters before the Government announcement was made, Labour leader Brendan Howlin flagged the individual cost fears, claiming it risks other people being dragged into the net.

“I believe in 100% all-island rollout, yes, I do,” he said. “I believe people are citizens of this Republic, would you say people on an island are entitled to existing services? Yes, they are.

But nobody’s answered that question [on the extra cost].

“There is a connection cost with the private companies now, if you just do a very crude provision the unit cost is about €5,500 now, and obviously the more isolated are multiples of that.”

oscarBravo · 08-05-2019 07:41AM

Prof Paul Davis was discussing the NBP in the first segment of Morning Ireland. I'm struggling to think of a single thing he got right.

As just one example: when asked about future-proofing he started talking about "3G, 4G and now 5G" - didn't mention fibre at all.

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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