Irish couple facing deportation from Australia because son has cystic fibrosis lose a

07-05-2019 10:21PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Do you think that Ireland should not be discriminating in assessing applications to migrate here? That we should accept everyone who applies regardless of their ability to contribute to society?

We already do require them to be capable of contributing to society. It's a requirement for migrants to have a job, or at least have a significantly strong work history.

But we don't reject people in the basis of being born with a medical condition, or getting cancer for example. We're kinda not cnuts that way.

ArnoldJRimmer · 07-05-2019 10:30PM

wandererz wrote: »

They said that they have no interest in returning to Ireland. Apparently there was nothing here for them.

Now they have to move back and we will have to foot the bill for these deserters who don't want to be here.

This fcuking nonsense in every thread that mentions people that emigrate. I don't know why some people have to act like a lover scorned on behalf of Ireland just because someone took an opportunity abroad at a time when the economy was in the toilet (which is since the foundation of the state, bar 1993-2007)

Fr_Dougal · 07-05-2019 10:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They’re going to bring their talents and work ethic back with them. Ireland’s a much different place now to when they left.

A SNA and a part-time bus driver?

Calhoun · 07-05-2019 10:40PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

"Daragh was born (in Australia) a few weeks after the couple applied for permanent residency in August 2015...the Australian Department of Home Affairs... found that Daragh did not meet the prescribed health criteria and would be a burden to the state. "

Fcuk, thats cold.

Was a case a few years ago where an Irish family were moving to Canada, all the family bar one child got approval to move across because they had autism.

Seems its normal enough practice to decline based on probable medical support required.

wandererz · 07-05-2019 10:45PM

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

This fcuking nonsense in every thread that mentions people that emigrate. I don't know why some people have to act like a lover scorned on behalf of Ireland just because someone took an opportunity abroad at a time when the economy was in the toilet (which is since the foundation of the state, bar 1993-2007)

Don't mind people who emigrate at all. By all means emigrate & keep your options open. But they specifically scorned the country in the media & said they did not want to return. So i don't see why it should be national news.

ArnoldJRimmer · 07-05-2019 10:48PM

wandererz wrote: »

Don't mind people who emigrate at all. By all means emigrate & keep your options open. But they specifically scorned the country in the media & said they did not want to return. So i don't see why it should be national news.

They've made their lives, careers and friends in another country over a number of years, so its understandable that its not their first choice to go back and start again

Unless I'm missing the quote where they said 'I'm not going back to that sh!thole, the absolute state of it'

Mrs OBumble · 07-05-2019 11:14PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

But we don't reject people in the basis of being born with a medical condition, or getting cancer for example. We're kinda not cnuts that way.

Ireland doesn't ask the question that directly.

Here it's done on the basis of school attendance and/or GP practice attendance - not even a doctor's report.
ref: http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/form-CTZ4.pdf/Files/form-CTZ4.pdf

If there are unusual patterns of either, I'd expect the application to be declined, or to at least receive further scrutiny.

Countries don't take on other country's problems.

07-05-2019 11:20PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Ireland doesn't ask the question that directly.

Here it's done on the basis of school attendance and/or GP practice attendance - not even a doctor's report.
ref: http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/form-CTZ4.pdf/Files/form-CTZ4.pdf

If there are unusual patterns of either, I'd expect the application to be declined, or to at least receive further scrutiny.

Countries don't take on other country's problems.

Funnily enough (well, it's not exactly funny) that form differs quite dramatically from an adult's application, where no medical information is requested.

I suspect, but I'm not entirely sure, that those questions are intended to ascertain that the kiddies are going to school and are registered with a GP for their own benefit. Or, those answers may be sought as a way of ensuring that the kids are actually resident, and have been so (by definition, they won't have had a work history, and can't be forced to attend schools. I think that explains those questions)

In short, those questions are a way of proving residence, not health status, which isn't cited as a reason for refusal to be granted the relevant permission.

For the sake of completeness, as the lawyers say, it should be noted that the Minister can refuse an application for any reason. But health concerns are not even questioned, and probably are not relevant.

07-05-2019 11:27PM

wandererz wrote: »

Don't mind people who emigrate at all. By all means emigrate & keep your options open. But they specifically scorned the country in the media & said they did not want to return. So i don't see why it should be national news.

Probably in the Australian media though, for an Aussie audience

ZeroThreat · 08-05-2019 12:04AM

Calhoun wrote: »

Was a case a few years ago where an Irish family were moving to Canada, all the family bar one child got approval to move across because they had autism.

Seems its normal enough practice to decline based on probable medical support required.

hmm I wonder if it's only the more severe forms of autism that are ruled out, would seem very harsh if very mild forms were included.

Calhoun · 08-05-2019 12:09AM

ZeroThreat wrote: »

hmm I wonder if it's only the more severe forms of autism that are ruled out, would seem very harsh if very mild forms were included.

I am not sure to be perfectly honest, its just a case that sticks in my mind as my daughter has autism.

Chocolate fiend · 08-05-2019 12:45AM

We live in Australia, when we were becoming residents the medical was full on, including blood tests, x-rays and urine samples. They are very careful about who becomes a resident/citizen (medically speaking)
My 11 year old was born in Australia but only became a citizen back in February when the rest of the family did. Being born in Australia to parents who are not citizens does not give you any extra citizenship rights.
I feel sorry for these people, wasn't there a similar case in Ireland last year where a family from China were living in Bray and were going to be deported because they didn't fulfil some criteria? What happened there in the end?

Calhoun · 08-05-2019 01:15AM

Chocolate fiend wrote: »

We live in Australia, when we were becoming residents the medical was full on, including blood tests, x-rays and urine samples. They are very careful about who becomes a resident/citizen (medically speaking)
My 11 year old was born in Australia but only became a citizen back in February when the rest of the family did. Being born in Australia to parents who are not citizens does not give you any extra citizenship rights.
I feel sorry for these people, wasn't there a similar case in Ireland last year where a family from China were living in Bray and were going to be deported because they didn't fulfil some criteria? What happened there in the end?

Not exactly, the case in bray the mother had her application rejected. By the time it came under review again her son was 9 years old.

As far as i am aware they were medically sound.

Sam Quentin · 08-05-2019 01:31AM

wandererz wrote: »

Don't mind people who emigrate at all. By all means emigrate & keep your options open. But they specifically scorned the country in the media & said they did not want to return. So i don't see why it should be national news.

I have never come across any Country better or more beautiful than Ireland,.and I've been to a few, now I lived in London for a few years and maybe would have stayed!?but I only would have stayed for love......but that ended(she seen the light)so I returned to my beautiful Country that I always missed anyway

Yurt2 · 08-05-2019 05:16AM

Calhoun wrote: »

Not exactly, the case in bray the mother had her application rejected. By the time it came under review again her son was 9 years old.

As far as i am aware they were medically sound.

According to reports in the media, she was a student visa overstayer who fraudulently obtained an Irish passport for her son (lied on the form and said the father was an Irish citizen) and was caught out.

AngryHippie · 08-05-2019 05:24AM

wandererz wrote: »

Now they have to move back and we will have to foot the bill for these deserters who don't want to be here.

Bitter much ?

go on, tell the truth and shame the devil :rolleyes:

OldMrBrennan83 · 08-05-2019 06:09AM

riffmongous wrote: »

They left in 2009 though, that was a pretty **** time for a lot of people

Ah it wasn't really. People had just got too greedy and thew the toys out of the pram when they couldn't buy the third Qashqai or second Bulgarian holiday home. It was far from bad for most and I'd let none of them back.

Samuel Vimes · 08-05-2019 08:51AM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I have never come across any Country better or more beautiful than Ireland,.

You need to travel more!

weldoninhio · 08-05-2019 09:17AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It doesnt take 4 years to apply and get an answer about residency though, does it?

Presumably the Aussies are leaning towards the kid being an anchor baby, possibly even if he wasnt born with CF?

The parents would have gotten residency if they'd put the forms in a week previously, but with the mother pregnant and about to give birth, they never got around to it. No one ever thinks their child will be born with a disability.

weldoninhio · 08-05-2019 09:19AM

wandererz wrote: »

They said that they have no interest in returning to Ireland. Apparently there was nothing here for them.

Now they have to move back and we will have to foot the bill for these deserters who don't want to be here.

Yeah, because there is no need for teachers in Ireland at all at the moment. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

is_that_so · 08-05-2019 09:21AM

Samuel Vimes wrote: »

You need to travel more!

You need to be more open to other people's perceptions.

weldoninhio · 08-05-2019 09:24AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

A SNA and a part-time bus driver?

Christine currently works as an assistant school principal while Anthony works part-time as a bus driver and volunteers with the local state emergency service. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

08-05-2019 09:27AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Christine currently works as an assistant school principal while Anthony works part-time as a bus driver and volunteers with the local state emergency service. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

As I said, they have skills and work ethic that’s badly needed here. Rearing a child with CF is a full time job no matter how mild it is.
I wonder would their climate suit it better than here?

Danzy · 08-05-2019 09:30AM

It is tough but they are the rules, the greater good.

Not as if he is coming back to a poor country.

Fr_Dougal · 08-05-2019 09:33AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Christine currently works as an assistant school principal while Anthony works part-time as a bus driver and volunteers with the local state emergency service. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

“Acting” assistant principal, she’s a SNA. He’s a part-time bus driver. https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/irish-family-terrified-about-deportation-after-son-diagnosed-with-cf-in-australia-1.3857198

What happens if she has to give up her SNA role to care for her son? They’d be a burden on the State. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

weldoninhio · 08-05-2019 10:07AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

“Acting” assistant principal, she’s a SNA. He’s a part-time bus driver. https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/irish-family-terrified-about-deportation-after-son-diagnosed-with-cf-in-australia-1.3857198

What happens if she has to give up her SNA role to care for her son? They’d be a burden on the State. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

They have various doctors reports and letters stating that this will not happen and that the child will be able to attend school and university if he wants. I'll take the word of a specialist over some randomer on Boards.

Candamir · 08-05-2019 10:32AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

We already do require them to be capable of contributing to society. It's a requirement for migrants to have a job, or at least have a significantly strong work history.

But we don't reject people in the basis of being born with a medical condition, or getting cancer for example. We're kinda not cnuts that way.

I suppose the thinking is a bit more long term.
They are economic migrants, so their host country has every right to expect them to be net contributors to their new country.
The likelihood is that the cost of the son’s treatment will be more than the contributions his parents will make.
There’s also the genetic issue here. They may have a regulation regarding inherited diseases (like they might infectious diseases) and take into account the burden of future sufferers of the disease. For instance if this couple had further children with CF, and if those children went on to have children with CF.

It’s tough on the family, but Australia has every right to expect that economic migrants are not a financial drain on their economy.

Fr_Dougal · 08-05-2019 10:43AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

They have various doctors reports and letters stating that this will not happen and that the child will be able to attend school and university if he wants. I'll take the word of a specialist over some randomer on Boards.

That’s great news. Can you post the link to where the doctors reports/letters state “that this will not happen? Because all I can find is ‘unlikely’ and other vague references.

TIA.

Squatter · 08-05-2019 11:41AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

But we don't reject people in the basis of being born with a medical condition, or getting cancer for example. We're kinda not cnuts that way.

In fact, we don't even insist that they or their kids get vaccinated.

As you almost wrote, we're stupid cnuts, right enough!

Squatter · 08-05-2019 11:45AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

They have various doctors reports and letters stating that this will not happen and that the child will be able to attend school and university if he wants. I'll take the word of a specialist over some randomer on Boards.

In that case the kid will be fine in Ireland.

Plus, his grandparents are probably longing for him to come home so they can help his parents to care for him!

Won't somebody please think of the grandparents!

Irish couple facing deportation from Australia because son has cystic fibrosis lose a

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