Irish couple facing deportation from Australia because son has cystic fibrosis lose a

Balf · 07-05-2019 05:23PM #1

https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-couple-facing-deportation-because-son-has-cystic-fibrosis-loses-appeal-4622484-May2019/

AN IRISH COUPLE in Australia, facing deportation because their three-year-old son has cystic fibrosis, have had their appeal rejected.

Christine and Antony Hyde’s application for permanent residency was denied because their Australian-born son, Daragh, does not satisfy health criteria.

Would this happen here?

Mrs OBumble · 07-05-2019 05:50PM

Balf wrote: »

Would this happen here?

Yes. Countries don't usually accept disabled people as immigrants, unless the family is rich enough to provide lifetime care for them.

The only exception is asylum seekers.

Roger Hassenforder · 07-05-2019 05:53PM

Balf wrote: »

Would this happen here?

"Daragh was born (in Australia) a few weeks after the couple applied for permanent residency in August 2015...the Australian Department of Home Affairs... found that Daragh did not meet the prescribed health criteria and would be a burden to the state. "

Fcuk, thats cold.

harr · 07-05-2019 05:53PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Yes. Countries don't usually accept disabled people as immigrants, unless the family is rich enough to provide lifetime care for them.

The only exception is asylum seekers.

But he was born in Australia.. surely that would/should make a difference.

suicide_circus · 07-05-2019 05:57PM

harr wrote: »

But he was born in Australia.. surely that would/should make a difference.

it may, they are getting an audience with the relevant minister who might exercise clemency. it is cold but also prudent.

07-05-2019 06:04PM

He was born there and lived there till now.

What really shocked me was the cost of the drugs, around 200k per year!

Guy:Incognito · 07-05-2019 06:28PM

riffmongous wrote: »

He was born there and lived there till now.

It doesnt take 4 years to apply and get an answer about residency though, does it?

Presumably the Aussies are leaning towards the kid being an anchor baby, possibly even if he wasnt born with CF?

Squatter · 07-05-2019 06:30PM

harr wrote: »

But he was born in Australia.. surely that would/should make a difference.

No.

He was born to two non-Australians who happened to be visiting the country on a visa that defined the period for which they could remain there.

EmmetSpiceland · 07-05-2019 06:32PM

harr wrote: »

But he was born in Australia.. surely that would/should make a difference.

Doesn’t make one here so why would we expect it to make one there?

judeboy101 · 07-05-2019 06:34PM

Wtf is mild CF? I thought it was a life limiting disease?

steddyeddy · 07-05-2019 06:36PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Wtf is mild CF? I thought it was a life limiting disease?

There's various forms of it each defined by a particular mutation in a protein that transports chloride out of the cell membrane. People who are unable to move ions across cell walls become prone to a build up of mucous and subsequent infections.

Galwayguy35 · 07-05-2019 07:09PM

It's not the end of the world if they are sent back here, we're not exactly a thrid world country and the Aussies know this.

ILoveYourVibes · 07-05-2019 07:12PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Yes. Countries don't usually accept disabled people as immigrants, unless the family is rich enough to provide lifetime care for them.

The only exception is asylum seekers.

That is the essence of discrimination.:(

07-05-2019 07:13PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It's not the end of the world if they are sent back here, we're not exactly a thrid world country and the Aussies know this.

Ireland has some of the best CF treatment centers in the world. They might actually be better off moving home.

Nigel Fairservice · 07-05-2019 07:19PM

Before I was diagnosed with MS I lived in Canada for a while and I would have been really interested in going back out there. After the diagnosis that door was firmly closed. I would be a burden on society. Nice way for someone to describe you. If I would be one there it follows I must be one here too!

07-05-2019 07:23PM

Nigel Fairservice wrote: »

Before I was diagnosed with MS I lived in Canada for a while and I would have been really interested in going back out there. After the diagnosis that door was firmly closed. I would be a burden on society. Nice way for someone to describe you. If I would be one there it follows I must be one here too!

The truth is often unpleasant.

One eyed Jack · 07-05-2019 07:33PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Wtf is mild CF? I thought it was a life limiting disease?

steddyeddy wrote: »

There's various forms of it each defined by a particular mutation in a protein that transports chloride out of the cell membrane. People who are unable to move ions across cell walls become prone to a build up of mucous and subsequent infections.

That’s the essential problem with vague terminology like “life limiting”. It’s the same as suggesting that because humans aren’t born with wings, they can’t fly - their lives are limited by the fact that they can’t fly.

Describing the condition as mild refers to the degree of it’s severity, also equally vague, varying from mild to severe depending upon how it’s quantified. If judeboy means life limiting in the sense that if the condition is severe and if left untreated it could result in early infant death, they’re correct. However because of advances in medicine and technology, a person with the condition, dependent upon it’s severity, will mean they would have a very different life to the life they could have had, if they had not had the condition.

The cost of drugs, medical and potentially the surgical procedures such as a lung transplant in later life would all be borne by the State, and then there is the obvious potential for the condition to be inherited by a couples children if both parents were carriers of the genes that cause CF.

In Australia there are just over 3,000 people with CF -

Australian Cystic Fibrosis Data Registry 2017

In Ireland (which incidentally has the highest prevalence of CF in the world), there are just over 1,000 people with CF -

CF Registry Data Highlights 2017

I can completely understand why the Home Affairs Dept rejected the couples appeal in these circumstances.

07-05-2019 07:40PM

harr wrote: »

But he was born in Australia.. surely that would/should make a difference.

In this country in 2004 we voted by by a margin of 80/20 that people born here of not citizen or non EU parents had no natural right to citizenship

So it's probably the same in Australia
Just cos he was born there makes no difference.

07-05-2019 07:46PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It doesnt take 4 years to apply and get an answer about residency though, does it?

Presumably the Aussies are leaning towards the kid being an anchor baby, possibly even if he wasnt born with CF?

You presume wrong, they (Australia) were inviting the couple to apply for the permanent residency before the baby was born. If they'd applied a few months earlier there wouldn't have been any problem

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-18/irish-family-deportation-likely-as-son-has-cystic-fibrosis/11028560

Guy:Incognito · 07-05-2019 08:06PM

riffmongous wrote: »

You presume wrong, they (Australia) were inviting the couple to apply for the permanent residency before the baby was born. If they'd applied a few months earlier there wouldn't have been any problem

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-18/irish-family-deportation-likely-as-son-has-cystic-fibrosis/11028560

Fair enough. But at the end of the day, they have their rules.

The thing of "but hes been there his whole life" is not really relevant. Hes only there that long because they spent 3 years appealing the decision.

Much like anyone here who appeals for years then lose and try to play the "but they've lived here their whole life "card. What's the point if decisions being made if they mean fup all as long as you can play silly buggers and delay getting kicked out long enough. May as well scrap the rules and let whoever turns up in for life

07-05-2019 08:19PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Yes. Countries don't usually accept disabled people as immigrants, unless the family is rich enough to provide lifetime care for them.

The only exception is asylum seekers.

I don't know what the general trend is, but it's worth remarking that questions about medical illnesses are not asked on Irish citizenship applications nor is there any medical examination requested.

It is requested that applicants should be capable of supporting themselves in the sense that they have a job, but the State literally doesn't want to know if you're getting medical treatment for anything. Which seems civilised.

jam_mac_jam · 07-05-2019 08:26PM

I think it's fair enough as a rule. Why should the country have to support you when you come from a rich country. You should be able to support yourself. I do feel for the family but at the end of the day that's the rule

KikiLaRue · 07-05-2019 08:28PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't know what the general trend is, but it's worth remarking that questions about medical illnesses are not asked on Irish citizenship applications nor is there any medical examination requested.

It is requested that applicants should be capable of supporting themselves in the sense that they have a job, but the State literally doesn't want to know if you're getting medical treatment for anything. Which seems civilised.

That's interesting, because it's an incredibly arduous process otherwise.

Fr_Dougal · 07-05-2019 08:32PM

The mother has said in this interview that she wants to stay because the drug her son needs is not available in Ireland...I think her Google must be broken https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/900-with-cf-have-access-to-potentially-life-saving-drugs-orkambi-and-kalydeco-1.3104811

The Australians will let her stay, however.

wandererz · 07-05-2019 08:35PM

They said that they have no interest in returning to Ireland. Apparently there was nothing here for them.

Now they have to move back and we will have to foot the bill for these deserters who don't want to be here.

07-05-2019 09:05PM

wandererz wrote: »

They said that they have no interest in returning to Ireland. Apparently there was nothing here for them.

Now they have to move back and we will have to foot the bill for these deserters who don't want to be here.

They left in 2009 though, that was a pretty **** time for a lot of people

07-05-2019 09:07PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Fair enough. But at the end of the day, they have their rules.

The thing of "but hes been there his whole life" is not really relevant. Hes only there that long because they spent 3 years appealing the decision.

Much like anyone here who appeals for years then lose and try to play the "but they've lived here their whole life "card. What's the point if decisions being made if they mean fup all as long as you can play silly buggers and delay getting kicked out long enough. May as well scrap the rules and let whoever turns up in for life

Yeah I can understand that.. the problem is these things taking so long that it becomes an issue. It's not the kids fault that it takes 3-4 years

07-05-2019 09:10PM

wandererz wrote: »

They said that they have no interest in returning to Ireland. Apparently there was nothing here for them.

Now they have to move back and we will have to foot the bill for these deserters who don't want to be here.

They’re going to bring their talents and work ethic back with them. Ireland’s a much different place now to when they left.

Dalomanakora · 07-05-2019 09:13PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ireland has some of the best CF treatment centers in the world. They might actually be better off moving home.

Was coming on to say this.

For all we complain about the HSE, and God knows I do, they are absolutely fantastic when it comes to CF. IIRC we have the highest incidences of it in the world, and the treatment is brilliant in Ireland.

One of my mates has CF, a severe form I guess. They were told they would live into their teens.

In their early twenties, Beaumont Hospital were providing taxis for their treatment, as they lived in another county.

Eventually, they were seriously ill, coming towards the end, when a person who passed away had their family donate their organs.

Thanks to the quick work of the HSE, my friend has a much longer, healthier life ahead with new lungs.

The family would probably get fantastic treatment here if they're made to return, which is one silver lining.

07-05-2019 09:25PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Yes. Countries don't usually accept disabled people as immigrants, unless the family is rich enough to provide lifetime care for them.

The only exception is asylum seekers.

Seems to leave that open to abuse,

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Doesn’t make one here so why would we expect it to make one there?

Its a different country, with different laws, a different electorate, different values, probably part of the way to explain that. IMO it probably should, and I say that as someone with a quite mild medical condition, I dont see why anyone who might have to be on the receiving end of significant financial treatment at the expense of a host nation could be expected to have such an application not rejected.

steddyeddy wrote: »

There's various forms of it each defined by a particular mutation in a protein that transports chloride out of the cell membrane. People who are unable to move ions across cell walls become prone to a build up of mucous and subsequent infections.

Thats interesting, I mean that seriously, I dont want to say how close that is to my own situation, tiny changes in cell (I suppose it could be called ) structure through genetic mutation, can result in massive changes, and one change could be not apparent and another could have life debilitating effects.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It's not the end of the world if they are sent back here, we're not exactly a thrid world country and the Aussies know this.

You'd think so, probably more opportunities or they are there so long, it could be very difficult to re-adjust to back here and likely very much more expensive, I can understand their reticence. To start back up here could be a significant uphill struggle.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That is the essence of discrimination.:(

Its probably a practical necessity, break the rule for one, and then what?

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't know what the general trend is, but it's worth remarking that questions about medical illnesses are not asked on Irish citizenship applications nor is there any medical examination requested.

It is requested that applicants should be capable of supporting themselves in the sense that they have a job, but the State literally doesn't want to know if you're getting medical treatment for anything. Which seems civilised.

They bloody well should be, it makes practical sense, Im sure we'll here the whole but the Irish went to America, Id relatives that went there quite a long time ago, and they were required to take medicals.

Mrs OBumble · 07-05-2019 10:07PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That is the essence of discrimination.:(

Do you think that Ireland should not be discriminating in assessing applications to migrate here? That we should accept everyone who applies regardless of their ability to contribute to society?

Irish couple facing deportation from Australia because son has cystic fibrosis lose a

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