Do you want taller buildings in Ireland?

Beechwoodspark · 07-05-2019 09:43AM

lawred2 wrote: »

make it 100% social housing as well

No. Mixed.

Luxury 5 star hotel and social housing

Hector Savage · 07-05-2019 09:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Many multiple homes taking up the same land. Of course it will.

No, greed will prevail here, they will charge the same as the current apartments on the docklands.

whisky_galore · 07-05-2019 09:48AM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You need to check yourself, your the one who has no clue. The higher the property the more expensive it will be.

You're not wrong, the footprint may be smaller but a hell of a lot more goes into a high rise, or at least it should if you don't want it toppling over or otherwise turning into a death trap.

Fwiw Ballymun was state of the art when built. If it was maintained and updated (which costs money, obvs) and had all the amenities it was supposed to have (insert more money here) it would still be lived in and standing today.

sbsquarepants · 07-05-2019 09:48AM

Billy86 wrote: »

Same here, even on 12 floors we have 226 units, so approx 500 people housed, in an area about the size of a goofball pitch.

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What the hell is a goofball pitch?

I want one.

sbsquarepants · 07-05-2019 09:51AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Ladies and gents. Stupidity in a sentence.

Not so.

High rise is a very expensive way to build.

There's a good reason why only rockstars and their ilk live in penthouses!

IAMAMORON · 07-05-2019 09:51AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

No, greed will prevail here, they will charge the same as the current apartments on the docklands.

Even worse, the first wave of development will have a monopoly over the price structure. They will be able to control price levels. All the PR pre construction will be focused on getting planning, " solving the crisis " etc. Once the planning is acquired the wind will change.

In saying that I still think building taller is necessary, but it won't solve any housing problems.

Sonny noggs · 07-05-2019 09:53AM

Billy86 wrote: »

Same here, even on 12 floors we have 226 units, so approx 500 people housed, in an area about the size of a goofball pitch.

There's a nice courtyard in the centre, though without it they could probably get another 100-150 units in to house around 800.

In Dublin, that would likely be taken up by old houses and small buildings, with maybe even under 100 people living in the whole space.

Does that include 450 odd parking spaces?

lawred2 · 07-05-2019 09:55AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

No. Mixed.

Luxury 5 star hotel and social housing

of course - balanced

md23040 · 07-05-2019 10:02AM

I think this is beautiful urban architecture that reflects Dublin and Ireland boldly as a modern and progressive place on the world stage. More of this should be encouraged. There is something pleasing in the proportionality of the structure. This does not work in other monstrous cases on the Quays like the Exo Building that's totally lacks vision or proportionality, the National Conference centre and the worst of all the new Central Bank Building.Ughh...

lawred2 · 07-05-2019 10:05AM

md23040 wrote: »

I think this is beautiful urban architecture that reflects Dublin and Ireland boldly as a modern and progressive place on the world stage. More of this should be encouraged. There is something pleasing in the proportionality of the structure. This does not work in other monstrous cases on the Quays like the Exo Building that's totally lacks vision or proportionality, the National Conference centre and the worst of all the new Central Bank Building.Ughh...

this is exactly why it should be shut down

2 story social housing please

IAMAMORON · 07-05-2019 10:07AM

Abs, it looks fab, but it will also cost fab too. Big style fab prices. I reckon the penthouse on that bitch might touch a couple of million. I want one now.:p:p

partyguinness · 07-05-2019 10:10AM

We need to build up not out into the suburbs with sub standard facilities and transport.

TheIrishGrover · 07-05-2019 10:28AM

lawred2 wrote: »

what's the American route?

What I mean is there is room for older buildings/street layouts etc AND modern highrises here and there. I don't think we should be going around kicking down the GPO for Trump Tower 2

lawred2 · 07-05-2019 10:40AM

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

What I mean is there is room for older buildings/street layouts etc AND modern highrises here and there. I don't think we should be going around kicking down the GPO for Trump Tower 2

I'd say we're safe there - you can see the way developers are being required along the IFSC to restore/integrate some of the older landmark buildings...

And to be honest leveling historic buildings doesn't happen as a rule in the US either... For instance the Old South Meeting House in Boston

Looks amazing in the context of the newer buildings

jimgoose · 07-05-2019 10:43AM

Unless we want the entire Midlands/Bog of Allen region to be like a sort of giant Milton Keynes criss-crossed with railway lines (if they're lucky), then up is the way to build, like any other modern city.

Guy:Incognito · 07-05-2019 10:46AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

No, greed will prevail here, they will charge the same as the current apartments on the docklands.

And that's fine. If they build 10,000 of them, that's grand. As long as there are people moving in to those, it has to take pressure off the demand elsewhere.

Guy:Incognito · 07-05-2019 10:49AM

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Does that include 450 odd parking spaces?

You dont need parking for everyone living in city centres. They have most of what they need within walking distance. They have the luas, dart , buses , taxis. (First 2 in Dublin anyway)

Tombo2001 · 07-05-2019 10:52AM

Do you want Taller Buildings in Dublin : YES.
Do you want subway systems like they have on 'the continent': YES
Do you want better bike lanes in the city: YES.

Do you want a 9 story apartment block to go up beside your parents house:NO.
Do you want the trees on your street to be cut down to build actual bike lanes (as opposed to a token line of paint on a street): NO.
Do you want your local GAA/ Soccer/ Rugby club to lose its pitch for a new subway station: NO.

And that my friends is why politicians are on a lose: lose.

Qrt · 07-05-2019 10:56AM

Ush1 wrote: »

High rise in the greater West Tallaght area, what could go wrong?

Increase density in the city centre before worrying about suburbs that are 17km out.

Thing is, there’s already buildings six storeys tall in Citywest. They put this stupid arbitrary height limit in after buildings twice their size had already been constructed. Oh, and for the record, nothing would really happen. Are you one of these “Ballymun was bad cos they lived in the air” type?

fonecrusher1 · 07-05-2019 11:12AM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I really hope that gets built. The proposed Prism building next to the bus station looks really great as well. 15-storey Prism gets the go ahead.

The amount of new buildings in Cork is crazy. So many developments and cranes everywhere. It's great.

I believe its already getting considerable resistance from the local planning gob****es. There's always a herd of oul cottonheads spitting fire when something new / dynamic is proposed.

Ush1 · 07-05-2019 11:42AM

Qrt wrote: »

Thing is, there’s already buildings six storeys tall in Citywest. They put this stupid arbitrary height limit in after buildings twice their size had already been constructed. Oh, and for the record, nothing would really happen. Are you one of these “Ballymun was bad cos they lived in the air” type?

It's not to do with in the air, it's to do with the density and particularly with developments that have a large amount of social housing and will be rented. That area must have by far already the highest concentration of social housing in the country.

Other issue is the idea that it being on a luas line, the same thinking with the development at Cherrywood. It will basically you mean you won't be able to get on the luas at peaks after the first four stops or so. Build high where people want to live, not where they want to commute from.

Billy86 · 07-05-2019 01:55PM

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Billy86 wrote: »

Same here, even on 12 floors we have 226 units, so approx 500 people housed, in an area about the size of a goofball pitch.

There's a nice courtyard in the centre, though without it they could probably get another 100-150 units in to house around 800.

In Dublin, that would likely be taken up by old houses and small buildings, with maybe even under 100 people living in the whole space.

Does that include 450 odd parking spaces?

Closer to maybe 100, but hardly any of them are in use (never seen it more than half full) since we're downtown where most people live and work so don't have need for one.

Out in Mississauga, Etobicoke, Vaughan etc in the outskirts they have similar buildings, but with more parking.

Cryptopagan · 07-05-2019 02:29PM

md23040 wrote: »

I think this is beautiful urban architecture that reflects Dublin and Ireland boldly as a modern and progressive place on the world stage. More of this should be encouraged. There is something pleasing in the proportionality of the structure. This does not work in other monstrous cases on the Quays like the Exo Building that's totally lacks vision or proportionality, the National Conference centre and the worst of all the new Central Bank Building.Ughh...

Do people still look at these massive glass structures and think modern? They are very late 20th century, and are not energy efficient, retaining too much heat in summer and losing it quickly in winter. IMO they will look and feel quite dated soon enough. Not against taller buildings in the Docklands area, but I wouldn’t be keen to see this thing built.

Duane Dibbley · 07-05-2019 03:13PM

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Do people still look at these massive glass structures and think modern? They are very late 20th century, and are not energy efficient, retaining too much heat in summer and losing it quickly in winter. IMO they will look and feel quite dated soon enough. Not against taller buildings in the Docklands area, but I wouldn’t be keen to see this thing built.

I would Prefer Glass and Mirrors over concrete and Brick for Office blocks any day of the week

whisky_galore · 07-05-2019 03:28PM

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Do people still look at these massive glass structures and think modern? They are very late 20th century, and are not energy efficient, retaining too much heat in summer and losing it quickly in winter. IMO they will look and feel quite dated soon enough. Not against taller buildings in the Docklands area, but I wouldn’t be keen to see this thing built.

Unless they're cleaned and cleaned regularly, they'll look grotty in a short time.

Typically here, they put up something and do **** all or as little maintenance as they can get away with.

Sky King · 07-05-2019 03:34PM

We can get away with having lower buildings in Dublin and a more lowrise, sprawling urban landscape because land is so cheap and because our public transport around the city is low cost and excellent.

If it wasn't for that I would say go high rise, but really there is no need.

lawred2 · 07-05-2019 03:39PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Unless they're cleaned and cleaned regularly, they'll look grotty in a short time.

Typically here, they put up something and do **** all or as little maintenance as they can get away with.

this might be true for many of the government owned semi state buildings... but it isn't true for any private owned and managed office block in the IFSC...

the worst office by any stretch in DCC is Liberty Hall. Lazy f**kers.

Fr_Dougal · 07-05-2019 03:47PM

With Ronan involved, these apartments won’t even hit the open market. They’ll be bought up by a US/Canadian company and be a BTR development.

Cryptopagan · 07-05-2019 03:57PM

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

I would Prefer Glass and Mirrors over concrete and Brick for Office blocks any day of the week

There are some Brutalist concrete buildings that are quite attractive and distinctive, see Rudolph Hall in Yale for example.

L1011 · 07-05-2019 03:59PM

Brutalist buildings that are kept clean can often be quite nice. You can't just let the concrete go dark grey.

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