Aeroflot Sukhoi Superjet 100 Catches Fire

Jamie2k9 · 05-05-2019 5:41pm #1

*https://twitter.com/News_Executive/status/1125070003332636672

https://twitter.com/conflictsw/status/1125068894224506881?s=21

https://twitter.com/dimsmirnov175/status/1125068204269867008?s=21

All 78 passengers evacuated with 6 injured. Flight was from Moscow (SVO) to Murmansk (MMK) but returned to SVO.3

PukkaStukka · 05-05-2019 5:49pm

Just looking at it on social media, looks horrendous.

Edit: the picture is changing and it looks there may be some fatalities. Sources reporting 6 may have perished.

Latest available footage suggests the aircraft may have already been well on fire before landing

kevinandrew · 05-05-2019 6:55pm

Horrendous sight.

It does appear the aircraft could have been on fire before touchdown, the flames were advanced enough to engulf the entire rear portion of the fuselage while the aircraft was still at considerable speed on the runway.

Images of the aircraft post fire show the entire tail section and rear cabin destroyed while the wings, engines and forward fuselage remain relatively untouched.

Can only hope casualties are kept to a minimum but it doesn't look good sadly.

Gaoth Laidir · 05-05-2019 7:06pm

Unfortunately emergency services have stated there were 13 fatalities. RIP

https://avherald.com/h?article=4c78f3e6&opt=0

cson · 05-05-2019 7:18pm

Where was the equipment?!

One of those clips is 48 seconds long and no sign of any fire fighting apparatus.

kevinandrew · 05-05-2019 8:54pm

No fire before landing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMwJkZ7QLY4&feature=youtu.be

Looks like they had to land high and fast, gear collapsed after second touchdown and ruptured the fuel tanks resulting in the fire.

BlackandGreen · 05-05-2019 9:34pm

cson wrote: »

Where was the equipment?!

One of those clips is 48 seconds long and no sign of any fire fighting apparatus.

isn't the response time usually 3 minutes? even if the alarm was sounded almost instantly id say any airport would be hard pushed to have fire appliances there in under 50 seconds.

fg1406 · 05-05-2019 10:01pm

Footage allegedly taken inside the aircraft. It’s quite distressing.

https://www.facebook.com/431938913548429/posts/2243135492428753?s=671918583&v=e&sfns=mo

PukkaStukka · 05-05-2019 10:27pm

Looks like plane landed fast, bounced, touched down very hard and broke the gear, and caught fire. However below has now appeared on social media translated from https://t.me/petromarkovskiy/1191

If true, the aircraft lost electrics following a lightning strike

josip · 05-05-2019 10:39pm

Guardian now reporting up to 41 dead

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/05/aeroflot-plane-bursts-into-flames-at-moscow-airport-leaving-13-dead

cson · 05-05-2019 10:53pm

BlackandGreen wrote: »

isn't the response time usually 3 minutes? even if the alarm was sounded almost instantly id say any airport would be hard pushed to have fire appliances there in under 50 seconds.

Should been waiting, that's standard practice I'd imagine with emergencies - you hear ATC asking crew all the time.

Sounds like the pilots are in the same boat wondering where they were judging from the link above.

A Dub in Glasgo · 05-05-2019 11:00pm

Dreadful accident

TheDriver · 05-05-2019 11:14pm

fg1406 wrote: »

Footage allegedly taken inside the aircraft. It’s quite distressing.

https://www.facebook.com/431938913548429/posts/2243135492428753?s=671918583&v=e&sfns=mo

That's harrowing footage.

Larbre34 · 05-05-2019 11:57pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Dreadful accident

Incident.

Inquitus · 06-05-2019 12:19am

cson wrote: »

Should been waiting, that's standard practice I'd imagine with emergencies - you hear ATC asking crew all the time.

Sounds like the pilots are in the same boat wondering where they were judging from the link above.

Apparently there was 30 mins between takeoff and emergency landing, you'd expect a quicker response in those circumstances.

Rossi IRL · 06-05-2019 12:36am

Video of the landing from another angle

Spoilered it in case anyone dosnt want to see it.

https://twitter.com/TomPodolec/status/1125139668029333505?s=19

ElNino · 06-05-2019 12:43am

There are several evacuating PAX carrying hand luggage in this video. One would have to wonder if that cost others their lives.

Atlantic Dawn · 06-05-2019 12:45am

Anyone coming out with their hand luggage should be locked up.

ZX7R · 06-05-2019 1:25am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Anyone coming out with their hand luggage should be locked up.

They are suffering severe shock,it quiet a normal reaction for some

dreamliner · 06-05-2019 2:28am

ZX7R wrote: »

They are suffering severe shock,it quiet a normal reaction for some

Having spent enough time in eastern europe and dealing with the soviet mentality, it isn't just shock. They can have a flagrant disregard for any rules and be totally ignorant to their surroundings, their material possessions would be #1 on their mind at such a time. This is where people's true character shows.

06-05-2019 2:38am

dreamliner wrote: »

Having spent enough time in eastern europe and dealing with the soviet mentality, it isn't just shock. They can have a flagrant disregard for any rules and be totally ignorant to their surroundings, their material possessions would be #1 on their mind at such a time. This is where people's true character shows.

All aircraft should have locked overhead during takeoff and landing

06-05-2019 2:40am

ElNino wrote: »

There are several evacuating PAX carrying hand luggage in this video. One would have to wonder if that cost others their lives.

I can only imagine so. Scumbags.

Woodsie1 · 06-05-2019 2:51am

dreamliner wrote: »

Having spent enough time in eastern europe and dealing with the soviet mentality, it isn't just shock. They can have a flagrant disregard for any rules and be totally ignorant to their surroundings, their material possessions would be #1 on their mind at such a time. This is where people's true character shows.

massive generalisation there.
Ive lived in former soviet country for a long time and my experience is one of helping your fellow man not grab your bags at the expense of someone elses life:rolleyes:

kevinandrew · 06-05-2019 4:24am

dreamliner wrote: »

ZX7R wrote: »

They are suffering severe shock,it quiet a normal reaction for some

Having spent enough time in eastern europe and dealing with the soviet mentality, it isn't just shock. They can have a flagrant disregard for any rules and be totally ignorant to their surroundings, their material possessions would be #1 on their mind at such a time. This is where people's true character shows.

Disgusting generalisation there given the circumstances.

How does it explain;

British Airways 2276
American 383
Asiana 214
Ryanair 8841

All of which witnessed the same issue of passengers grabbing hand luggage during a fire evacuation.

By the way, I’ve also spent quite a lot of time in Eastern Europe and I’ve lived in a former Soviet Union country, your claim the people there have a flagrant disregard for rules couldn’t be further from the truth in my experience.

prunudo · 06-05-2019 7:30am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Anyone coming out with their hand luggage should be locked up.

Some of them might of had the bags by their feet.

kevinandrew · 06-05-2019 7:44am

jvan wrote: »

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Anyone coming out with their hand luggage should be locked up.

Some of them might of had the bags by their feet.

In fairness that doesn’t really matter, it’s the risk of obstruction an item of hand luggage can cause, not just its location or time taken to retrieve it.

All it takes is for one person to drop their bag of duty free and for the person behind to trip over it to cause a crush in the aisle.

no.8 · 06-05-2019 7:52am

Spot on. It doesn't matter if the item is in the overhead or on the floor. It is a high risk inhibitor of a delayed exit / crush scenario.

If right behind them id push them into the row, no qualms about that. Basically attempted murder in my eyes (especially here. If they took 1 look down the cabin they would of seen the Carnage at the back)

RIP to all

ZX7R · 06-05-2019 8:25am

dreamliner wrote: »

Having spent enough time in eastern europe and dealing with the soviet mentality, it isn't just shock. They can have a flagrant disregard for any rules and be totally ignorant to their surroundings, their material possessions would be #1 on their mind at such a time. This is where people's true character shows.

Really I married an easten European and thankfully the one's know are not in any way like that

Yurt2 · 06-05-2019 8:26am

Unfair on the Rooskies, if there was a similar incident in Ireland, guaranteed you'd have some toolboxes blocking the aisle trying to retrieve their Macbook Air or duty-free shopping.

Nijmegen · 06-05-2019 8:56am

There's a few questions raised by this incident alright, but given it's the Russian flag carrier, flying a piece of Russian hardware, into a Russian airport, I wonder if the investigation will be totally transparent and trustworthy, or be more one of those Egyptian investigations.

So far, if it was a lightning strike that took out all electronics - (a) Was it the instigator at all, and (b) if it was, losing all electronics irreparably after a strike is odd.

If there was an incident, why weren't fire and rescue ready and waiting at the airport? There's some suggestion the aircraft lost all communications, but surely a 20-30 minute circling of the field doing weird turns might have alerted someone to a danger.

And finally, yes, the perennial "people and their luggage during an evacuation". Every ground evacuation I've seen video of has had people coming off with their hand luggage. Seems there needs to be some changes in commonly accepted law around this, that if you come off a plane during an evacuation with any sort of a bag you're going to prison.

Brennus335 · 06-05-2019 8:56am

Yurt! wrote: »

Unfair on the Rooskies, if there was a similar incident in Ireland, guaranteed you'd have some toolboxes blocking the aisle trying to retrieve their Macbook Air or duty-free shopping.

It already did happen in Ireland.

AAIU report specifically addressed it:

http://www.aaiu.ie/node/408

Nijmegen · 06-05-2019 9:00am

Brennus335 wrote: »

AAIU report specifically addressed it:

http://www.aaiu.ie/node/408

Interesting quote from it:

the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) of the United States, in a Safety Study of 46 emergency evacuations published in 2000, identified that nearly 50 per cent of passengers who brought carry-on luggage on board attempted to remove a bag during emergency evacuations. Reports issued by other investigative authorities on other evacuations have found that some passengers have resisted the removal of carry-on baggage by cabin crew, thereby disrupting orderly evacuation.

People are selfish d-heads, in other words, and will literally start a row over it. The only solution is to tell people that if they get off with their hand baggage they're getting an automatic 6 month sentence and a five grand fine.

notharrypotter · 06-05-2019 9:28am

Nijmegen wrote: »

If there was an incident, why weren't fire and rescue ready and waiting at the airport? There's some suggestion the aircraft lost all communications, but surely a 20-30 minute circling of the field doing weird turns might have alerted someone to a danger.

Fire service would have been advised that the aircraft was on the way back.
Fire service would have assessed the situation and made a decision to turn out/not turn out to pre arranged positions based on the information available.

Nijmegen · 06-05-2019 9:35am

notharrypotter wrote: »

Fire service would have been advised that the aircraft was on the way back.
Fire service would have assessed the situation and made a decision to turn out/not turn out to pre arranged positions based on the information available.

I think it's now pretty widely reported that they squawked 7600 first (lost radio) and then 7700 (emergency) before landing. Most videos I've seen haven't featured them on the scene in any hasty time.

Meanwhile to the evacuation, you can see the very first passengers were lined up and come out like machinegun rounds. But then there's noticeable delay and slowing of egress, and yup, loads of cabin bags.

PukkaStukka · 06-05-2019 10:59am

Was listening to Morning Ireland earlier where they had retired Capt Fintan Ryan in studio for comment and opinion.

He mentioned that there was no thunderstorms reported or forecast at the time of the accident, and a check on the METAR provided on AVHerald reports CB's but no storms. If true, it obviously rubbishes the claim that lightning was a factor

The podcast for this interview is here :

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21550057

PukkaStukka · 06-05-2019 11:02am

Podcast link

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21550057

Mebuntu · 06-05-2019 11:04am

I haven't seen any mention yet of the recorders being found. It will be interesting to see if they survived the total burnout of the rear of the aircraft.

ED E · 06-05-2019 11:05am

I assume that tower has primary radar to maintain a track after a full loss of power? Very dodgey that the fire and rescue weren't sitting on taxiways.

Anteayer · 06-05-2019 11:10am

A small % of people can be unbelievably stupid about stuff like this. I was in a high rise hotel in London and one night the fire alarms went off. The first issue was about 60% were wandering around wondering if it was a real fire and then when the fire officers in the hotel started yelling to evacuate and mustering people with megaphones, loads of morons were trying to drag suitcases down the stairs, blocking the way!

Nothing surprises me about people's inability to prioritise getting out over their (probably insured) bag of clothes and electronics.

Deagol · 06-05-2019 11:10am

Brennus335 wrote: »

It already did happen in Ireland.

AAIU report specifically addressed it:

http://www.aaiu.ie/node/408

Is it just my imagination or is that crew member with hand luggage plus she appears to be wearing high heels??

Brennus335 · 06-05-2019 11:22am

Mebuntu wrote: »

I haven't seen any mention yet of the recorders being found. It will be interesting to see if they survived the total burnout of the rear of the aircraft.

Both recovered.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/both-flight-recorders-recovered-from-russian-plane-after-fatal-blaze-38082619.html

billie1b · 06-05-2019 11:23am

Deagol wrote: »

Is it just my imagination or is that crew member with hand luggage plus she appears to be wearing high heels??

In certain circumstances cabin crew are required to bring their bag as it will have stuff like pax counts, manifests etc in it.

billie1b · 06-05-2019 11:28am

notharrypotter wrote: »

Fire service would have been advised that the aircraft was on the way back.
Fire service would have assessed the situation and made a decision to turn out/not turn out to pre arranged positions based on the information available.

The fire service do not make that decision, if the tower or flight crew put the alert out the fire service have to turn out to positions, regardless if they think it warrants it or not.

ED E · 06-05-2019 11:38am

Fintan Ryan is a terrrrrible radio guest. All over the shop. Surely MI could get somebody better...

mikeymouse · 06-05-2019 11:45am

Nijmegen wrote: »

Interesting quote from it:

People are selfish d-heads, in other words, and will literally start a row over it. The only solution is to tell people that if they get off with their hand baggage they're getting an automatic 6 month sentence and a five grand fine.

The 'survivor guilt'will be life sentence, baggage or no baggage.

Hector Savage · 06-05-2019 11:56am

ED E wrote: »

Fintan Ryan is a terrrrrible radio guest. All over the shop. Surely MI could get somebody better...

Yeah, he had a bit of a nightmare, I know how he feels, nothing worse when you understand something fully in your head but can't articulate cos of nerves etc...

Nijmegen · 06-05-2019 12:16pm

The passenger luggage thing will get a lot of attention as most of us will be in the cabin rather than the cockpit if we’re ever in an accident. This is something we can control for ourselves and that will affect us from others.

The bigger issue specific to this flight is of course the circumstances of the originating incident and the response to it. As I said above, Russian flag carrier flying Russian metal into Moscow airport, I do wonder just how robust the investigation will be. Or will they just find a scapegoat and hang them high.

CiboC · 06-05-2019 12:37pm

Nijmegen wrote: »

I do wonder just how robust the investigation will be.

Are you aware of any suspicions over the integrity of other recent investigations in Russia regarding crashes by Russian aircraft?

dreamliner · 06-05-2019 12:38pm

Nijmegen wrote: »

There's a few questions raised by this incident alright, but given it's the Russian flag carrier, flying a piece of Russian hardware, into a Russian airport, I wonder if the investigation will be totally transparent and trustworthy, or be more one of those Egyptian investigations.

So far, if it was a lightning strike that took out all electronics - (a) Was it the instigator at all, and (b) if it was, losing all electronics irreparably after a strike is odd.

If there was an incident, why weren't fire and rescue ready and waiting at the airport? There's some suggestion the aircraft lost all communications, but surely a 20-30 minute circling of the field doing weird turns might have alerted someone to a danger.

And finally, yes, the perennial "people and their luggage during an evacuation". Every ground evacuation I've seen video of has had people coming off with their hand luggage. Seems there needs to be some changes in commonly accepted law around this, that if you come off a plane during an evacuation with any sort of a bag you're going to prison.

There won't be a transparent investigation, plain and simple. In Russia there must be a hero or a villain, there isn't a middle ground. Aeroflot will not be blamed as they're the national carrier. The jet itself was Putin's baby and is struggling for business as it is, that certainly won't be blamed.

Already in Russian media they are talking about the accident being surprising because the SSJ100 has such a good safety record!. Anyone believing there will be a fair and correct investigation is living in la la land and has no experience of Russia from an aviation standpoint.

Here is also a clip of the recording from a Swiss birdstrike in St Petersburg for those wondering why the fire services took too long, the charade wouldn't be any different in Moscow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lICb8p9SvvM

Nijmegen · 06-05-2019 12:49pm

CiboC wrote: »

Are you aware of any suspicions over the integrity of other recent investigations in Russia regarding crashes by Russian aircraft?

Russia, and its precursor state (from where most high officials in office today would have trained) does not have the best reputation for honesty and transparency in any field, no.

CiboC · 06-05-2019 12:52pm

That's the answer to a different question from the one I asked....

Aeroflot Sukhoi Superjet 100 Catches Fire

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