Are the new hoovers all sh!te?

Ubbquittious · 05-05-2019 12:01pm #1

Since d'EU brought in the 890 watt restriction?

We bought a new Miele not so long ago and it was useless. No power in it at all. Got one today for a fiver at a car boot sale. Still working but the stem is missing.

Will the old 2000 watt ones become valuable and cherished?

McMurphy · 05-05-2019 12:16pm

I replaced an eleven year old Miele cat+dog hoover with a newer spec Miele cat and dog hoover just a few weeks ago.

The only reason I replaced it at all was because the cord no longer retracted, and I wanted to move away from vscums that needed a bag.

The eleven year old model still was as powerful as the day I first bought it, and got rehomed in my office where the cleaning lady has been raving about if since it arrived.

I don't know what model you bought, but it certainly wouldn't reflect my experiences with the brand.

Fr_Dougal · 05-05-2019 12:16pm

Buy a commercial machine, the new law doesn’t apply to them.

mada82 · 05-05-2019 12:18pm

Why have they put a law on hoover wattage?

Brian? · 05-05-2019 12:18pm

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Since d'EU brought in the 890 watt restriction?

We bought a new Miele not so long ago and it was useless. No power in it at all. Got one today for a fiver at a car boot sale. Still working but the stem is missing.

Will the old 2000 watt ones become valuable and cherished?

What in the name of god are you hoovering up?

Outlaw Pete · 05-05-2019 12:19pm

Amazon still sell vacuums above 890 watts:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Klarstein-Stainless-Resealable-Individual-Lightweight/dp/B06XKM5WYY/

Ger Roe · 05-05-2019 12:20pm

It's like the low voltage... and low light level bulbs we have to buy too. I am all for energy saving, but I also have to see in the dark.

I bought a bag-less cyclone type cleaner (not Dyson) that was as useless as me sucking on a straw over the carpet - lots of heat and noise generated but F* all suction power.

Soon we will be stumbling around in the dusk level light, tripping over piles of dust that our vacuum cleaners won't pick up.

Nobelium · 05-05-2019 12:24pm

The henry range offer tried and tested designs, good value and performance. Stay away from the overpriced dyson designer gimmick type shyte.

Fr_Dougal · 05-05-2019 12:27pm

Ger Roe wrote: »

It's like the low voltage... and low light level bulbs we have to buy too. I am all for energy saving, but I also have to see in the dark.

I bought a bag-less cyclone type cleaner (not Dyson) that was as useless as me sucking on a straw over the carpet - lots of heat and noise generated but F* all suction power.

Soon we will be stumbling around in the dusk level light, tripping over piles of dust that our vacuum cleaners won't pick up.

Not sure about that. A 5w LED can give as much light as an 80w old fashioned bulb, but those non-LED low wattage bulbs are crap.

Filmer Paradise · 05-05-2019 12:29pm

Nobelium wrote: »

The henry range offer tried and tested designs, good value and performance. Stay away from the overpriced dyson designer gimmick type shyte.

Agreed. The main floor tool for them is arse though. Buy a Turbo brush for it and you’re good to go.

decky1 · 05-05-2019 12:33pm

Nobelium wrote: »

The henry range offer tried and tested designs, good value and performance. Stay away from the overpriced dyson designer gimmick type shyte.

did some work lately for someone and they had a Henry the best hoover i ever used to clean up as i had made a lot of dust etc, forget those expensive makes and get a Henry.:cool:

endacl · 05-05-2019 12:35pm

Ubbquittious wrote: »

We bought a new Miele not so long ago and it was useless.

Not a hoover.

McMurphy · 05-05-2019 12:35pm

Nobelium wrote: »

The henry range offer tried and tested designs, good value and performance. Stay away from the overpriced dyson designer gimmick type shyte.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOb0RMvfQbg

Alf Veedersane · 05-05-2019 12:37pm

Nobelium wrote: »

The henry range offer tried and tested designs, good value and performance. Stay away from the overpriced dyson designer gimmick type shyte.

Was given a Dyson. Happy to be wrong about it.

Magic on carpets and handy as f**k

JohnnyFlash · 05-05-2019 12:38pm

Buy a Nilfisk.

BarryD2 · 05-05-2019 12:43pm

They are all sh*te as far as I can see. Bought a 'hoover' in the early 90s, basic enough model, built and renovated a house with it, sucked up all sorts of stuff for years. Replaced with others since, all useless.

dxhound2005 · 05-05-2019 12:54pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Buy a Nilfisk.

Yes. I have the GM80 which has really powerful suction. Label on it says 1200 W. Very expensive though. Nilfisk are Danish, but the machine is made in Hungary.

kirving · 05-05-2019 1:01pm

The idea behind limiting the motor power was to force manufacturers to innovate in terms motor efficiency, batteries, and aerodynamics.

The problem is that most people don't care enough about vacuuming, or can't justify buying an expensive model.

You only uses it every few days for half an hour maybe, so the user never really notices that the new model is costing less, they just notice that it's rubbish.

ToxicPaddy · 05-05-2019 1:07pm

Electronics these days are disposable items with limited lifespans to encourage consumers to buy them more frequently. Plus they are not designed to be repaired and have limited changeable parts.

20-30 years ago they were big purchases and a lot more expensive so they lasted a lot longer. These days everything is disposable.

TVs and kitchen appliances have all gone the same way.

anewme · 05-05-2019 1:08pm

I have a small Miele that’s around 12?years old.

Was planning on buying the new Dyson but 600 is dear enough.

Squatter · 05-05-2019 1:10pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Was given a Dyson. Happy to be wrong about it. Magic on carpets and handy as f**k

It's a grand vacuum cleaner - just as long as you're not paying for it yourself.

Alf Veedersane · 05-05-2019 1:31pm

Squatter wrote: »

It's a grand vacuum cleaner - just as long as you're not paying for it yourself.

If I'd known how good it was in terms if cleaning carpets, storage space and speed I'd quite possibly have bought

glynf · 05-05-2019 1:38pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Buy a commercial machine, the new law doesn’t apply to them.

This. Bought a Fein dustex, mainly for power tools-sander, mitre saw, etc. 1400W, wet and dry, beast of a thing-would suck a golf ball thru a garden hose.

Have a Dyson as well, noisy bastard of a thing-the Fein is much better than it.

Hamsterchops · 05-05-2019 1:40pm

Whatever Hoover vacuum cleaner you buy, make sure its a mains (plug in) one!

Those new lightweight flashy rechargeable ones are great fun in the beginning, but the rechargeable battery won't last for ever, while mains powered vacuums will last for decades (in some cases) and they pack a much greater punch ...

gozunda · 05-05-2019 1:43pm

Less output=less input. Most newer hoovers wouldn't suck up a flea imo

Alf Veedersane · 05-05-2019 1:44pm

glynf wrote: »

This. Bought a Fein dustex, mainly for power tools-sander, mitre saw, etc. 1400W, wet and dry, beast of a thing-would suck a golf ball thru a garden hose.

Have a Dyson as well, noisy bastard of a thing-the Fein is much better than it.

'Mé Fein'

An epic story of one man and his vacuum. You'll laugh, you'll cry and you'll buy.

Capt'n Midnight · 05-05-2019 2:47pm

mada82 wrote: »

Why have they put a law on hoover wattage?

Because they were inefficient.

Standard Dyson batteries are 46 Wh.

If it could supply 2,000 Watts it could only do it for 83 seconds.

Same with power tools BTW.

(6-cell Lithium Ion Battery Pack, 21.6 V, 16.2 A, 2100 mAh, 46 Wh).

JupiterKid · 05-05-2019 3:01pm

Buy a Nilfisk.

Yes they are a good bit more expensive but they are excellent, reliable and are built to last. I have a Nilfisk and it has never let me down over 11 years.

Nobelium · 05-05-2019 4:59pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Was given a Dyson. Happy to be wrong about it.

We had a dyson, looks cool, but lasted no time, before failing apart. All image no substance. Got a Henry and never looked back, it's the old tried and tested nilfisk style design, whereas the new nilfisk are shyte.

Hurrache · 05-05-2019 5:06pm

Nobelium wrote: »

We had a dyson, looks cool, but lasted no time, before failing apart. All image no substance. Got a Henry and never looked back, it's the old tried and tested nilfisk style design, whereas the new nilfisk are shyte.

Our Dyson is 15 years old. Has rolled down the stairs onto a concrete floor more times than an 80s stunt man and it's still great.

AMKC · 05-05-2019 5:24pm

anewme wrote: »

I have a small Miele that’s around 12?years old.

Was planning on buying the new Dyson but 600 is dear enough.

I got a new one eleven years ago for 250 and its as still good as the day I bought it with great suction. It is reliable and well made too. My parent's have one do and for some reason the suction from it is just sh;;te.

Atoms for Peace · 05-05-2019 5:25pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Not sure about that. A 5w LED can give as much light as an 80w old fashioned bulb, but those non-LED low wattage bulbs are crap.

But LED's give off a horrible blue tone.

Duane Dibbley · 05-05-2019 5:28pm

I have a Shark Duo Clean which is excellent

Hurrache · 05-05-2019 5:36pm

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

But LED's give off a horrible blue tone.

Unless you get the really cheap ones, or chose that hue, they don't. You can get them as warm or as cold as you want.

_Kaiser_ · 05-05-2019 5:44pm

I have a 12/13 year old Miele S5211 2200W vacuum that's still as good as the day I bought it. It's moved with me about 5 times now and the only thing it needs is a new bag and filter occasionally.

Was dear enough at the time as I recall, but worth every cent. Have used Dyson's once or twice over the years but they're not worth a crap in my experience. Overpriced gimmicky nonsense.

Nermal · 05-05-2019 5:52pm

You can't mention the word Dyson here without a torrent of peasants appearing to bleat about their blasted Henrys. We get it, you're happy with ugly appliances to match your ugly life. Pipe down.

_Kaiser_ · 05-05-2019 5:55pm

Nermal wrote: »

You can't mention the word Dyson here without a torrent of peasants appearing to bleat about their blasted Henrys. We get it, you're happy with ugly appliances to match your ugly life. Pipe down.

Assuming this is a genuine post, which I doubt but anyway...

It's a vacuum cleaner, not a fashion statement or indicator of wealth - more just that the marketing works on some people.

r93kaey5p2izun · 05-05-2019 5:56pm

JupiterKid wrote: »

Buy a Nilfisk.

Yes they are a good bit more expensive but they are excellent, reliable and are built to last. I have a Nilfisk and has never let me down over 11 years.

My parents have Nilfisk from 1970 that still works fine.

lawred2 · 05-05-2019 5:57pm

Ger Roe wrote: »

It's like the low voltage... and low light level bulbs we have to buy too. I am all for energy saving, but I also have to see in the dark..

Serious lack of knowledge or understanding there

Alf Veedersane · 05-05-2019 6:02pm

Nobelium wrote: »

We had a dyson, looks cool, but lasted no time, before failing apart. All image no substance. Got a Henry and never looked back, it's the old tried and tested nilfisk style design, whereas the new nilfisk are shyte.

No idea how you managed to destroy it in no time but to say it's all image and no substance is nonsense.

Your Henry is durable. Fair enough. Kust because its ugly and durable doesn't make it better at what it's supposed to do.

SEPT 23 1989 · 05-05-2019 6:04pm

JupiterKid wrote: »

Buy a Nilfisk.

Yes they are a good bit more expensive but they are excellent, reliable and are built to last. I have a Nilfisk and has never let me down over 11 years.

There is one from the 60's that belonged to my granny still working perfectly

Well worth the extra outlay you will get a lifetime out of them

Great looking machines as well

Hedgelayer · 05-05-2019 6:07pm

The new vacuum cleaners absolutely suck.

Stephen15 · 05-05-2019 6:11pm

I've a Nilfisk one and that I got when the chord on my Miele went and it's an absolute heap of junk. Just an awful design and power is pretty crap too.

Wibbs · 05-05-2019 6:12pm

Ive had a couple of Dysons and never again. Overpriced and variable on quality and they don't lose suction, mainly because they have eff all to start with. Though actually they do lose suction as the optimum power is when the collector is near empty. Variability seems to be an issue with them. If you get lucky with one they can be OK for some reason, but it's a coin toss.

If you have hard floors then yeah they're OK, but are piss poor on carpet. I still have one of the handheld battery ones and use it the odd time, but it's pretty crap too. The brush attachment works OK the nozzle tends to just move the dust around. The portability is the main selling point.

Ask anyone who works in the cleaning industry and none of them use Dysons an for good reasons. They use Miele and Nilfisk and the like.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 05-05-2019 6:26pm

Have a Henry for the last 9 years, still as good as the day it was new. No idea what wattage it is though but it’s plenty powerful for domestic use.

Nobelium · 05-05-2019 7:28pm

Nermal wrote: »

You can't mention the word Dyson here without a torrent of peasants appearing to bleat about their blasted Henrys. We get it, you're happy with ugly appliances to match your ugly life. Pipe down.

But at least we Henry plebs are happy and have nice clean houses and smiley faces, unlike literally filthy rich marketing victim dyson owners

ToddyDoody · 05-05-2019 9:13pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

They are all sh*te as far as I can see. Bought a 'hoover' in the early 90s, basic enough model, built and renovated a house with it, sucked up all sorts of stuff for years. Replaced with others since, all useless.

I think the safety standards are more stringent now, which limits the potency of hoovers these days.

Ever have a hoover blow up?

dxhound2005 · 05-05-2019 9:19pm

This extract from an Amazon review sums up the Nilfisk GM80. The one I have is 1200 watts, proving that power consumption is not the most important factor.

Don't be fooled by the 1100w power compared to some manufacturers that offer 2000w or even 3000w of power, it's not about motor power it's all about how much suction comes out the end of the nozzle...this beauty will swallow a nearby pet without even blinking.

The secret to it's power is the massive filter, it's huge almost the same size as the whole machine. Have yourself a massive wattage motor with a small filter and suction will soon be reduced. That guy that sells you that famous plastic see-through cyclonic vacuum and tells you they never lose suction is telling porkies. If you look at your nearest Henry or similar french company shaped vacuum, where do you think they stole their ideas from...you guessed it...this puppy...but compared to this Nilfisk, they are mere toys.

Hamsterchops · 06-05-2019 8:08am

Nothing sucks like an Electrolux .....

Or so they used to say

Ger Roe · 11-05-2019 10:54am

lawred2 wrote: »

Serious lack of knowledge or understanding there

Absolutely not.... It's based on experience of trying many variations over the years. The tech is getting better now, but I have not yet found a low wattage bulb that has lasted nearly as long as advertised, and until quite recently the light levels were abysmal.

I have paid high prices for inferior low wattage product over the years and think that the consumer, as always, was made to pay the price to force manufacturers to develop new products.

I know people will come back with their better performance experience, but that is mine. I fully support more efficient use of energy, but I firmly believe that the commercial imperative in the end is to force the consumer to ultimately pay more for the less energy they are using. Likewise with the 'recycle industry' - it's not for the good of the planet that these people are in business. The recycle and alternative energy industries are full of wasteful and ineffective practices that no government cares about as long as they can put a positive spin out about at least doing something.

They need to do much better and stop piling all the responsibility and costs on the end user. Get ready for the great carbon tax increase scam, coming your way soon where you will be taxed for using carbon based energy while there is very little effort put into providing viable alternatives for you to use. What about trying some incentives for a change?

Hip, hip horray.. we just declared a climate emergency in Ireland (well, 6 TD's did anyway) .... some cheek with our track record on not meeting our agreed targets on the Paris accord. Still, we will tax our citizens to the hilt and happily implement that part of the agreement anyway.

AlekSmart · 11-05-2019 11:12am

Many years back,the Smart household sourced a Russian made Vacuum Cleaner from an outlet in the Sunshine Industrial Estate on the Crumlin Road...It was cheap....VERY cheap,and came with an immense amount of tools,spares and literature,all in a plain brown cardboard box.

I now believe the thing was military grade,disguised by a pale blue paint-scheme as it lifted everything,no matter how strongly affixed to the surface.

We got over 10 years out of it,and only gave it up when the brushes on the motor gave up with a massive blue flash..and no manufacturer support could be found...(I think it was from Vacuum Factory 18 ).

Back then Dublin had loads of little Electrical repair shops where oul lads with dew-drops on their noses would tweak and repair anything to get it working again...all of the ones I tried,and BOY did I try,had to admit failure.....

EVERY subsequent Vacuum Cleaner from the decadent West,has been a poor imitation of that Red Machine

Are the new hoovers all sh!te?

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