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Are the new hoovers all sh!te?

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  • 05-05-2019 1:01pm
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    Ubbquittious
    Registered Users Posts: 6,194 ✭✭✭


    Since d'EU brought in the 890 watt restriction?

    We bought a new Miele not so long ago and it was useless. No power in it at all. Got one today for a fiver at a car boot sale. Still working but the stem is missing.

    Will the old 2000 watt ones become valuable and cherished?


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    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    I replaced an eleven year old Miele cat+dog hoover with a newer spec Miele cat and dog hoover just a few weeks ago.

    The only reason I replaced it at all was because the cord no longer retracted, and I wanted to move away from vscums that needed a bag.

    The eleven year old model still was as powerful as the day I first bought it, and got rehomed in my office where the cleaning lady has been raving about if since it arrived.

    I don't know what model you bought, but it certainly wouldn't reflect my experiences with the brand.


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    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Buy a commercial machine, the new law doesn’t apply to them.


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    mada82
    Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭mada82


    Why have they put a law on hoover wattage?


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    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,000 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Ubbquittious wrote: »
    Since d'EU brought in the 890 watt restriction?

    We bought a new Miele not so long ago and it was useless. No power in it at all. Got one today for a fiver at a car boot sale. Still working but the stem is missing.

    Will the old 2000 watt ones become valuable and cherished?

    What in the name of god are you hoovering up?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Amazon still sell vacuums above 890 watts:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Klarstein-Stainless-Resealable-Individual-Lightweight/dp/B06XKM5WYY/


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    Ger Roe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,112 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    It's like the low voltage... and low light level bulbs we have to buy too. I am all for energy saving, but I also have to see in the dark.

    I bought a bag-less cyclone type cleaner (not Dyson) that was as useless as me sucking on a straw over the carpet - lots of heat and noise generated but F* all suction power.

    Soon we will be stumbling around in the dusk level light, tripping over piles of dust that our vacuum cleaners won't pick up.


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    Nobelium
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    The henry range offer tried and tested designs, good value and performance. Stay away from the overpriced dyson designer gimmick type shyte.


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    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    It's like the low voltage... and low light level bulbs we have to buy too. I am all for energy saving, but I also have to see in the dark.

    I bought a bag-less cyclone type cleaner (not Dyson) that was as useless as me sucking on a straw over the carpet - lots of heat and noise generated but F* all suction power.

    Soon we will be stumbling around in the dusk level light, tripping over piles of dust that our vacuum cleaners won't pick up.

    Not sure about that. A 5w LED can give as much light as an 80w old fashioned bulb, but those non-LED low wattage bulbs are crap.


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    Filmer Paradise
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    The henry range offer tried and tested designs, good value and performance. Stay away from the overpriced dyson designer gimmick type shyte.

    Agreed. The main floor tool for them is arse though. Buy a Turbo brush for it and you’re good to go.


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    decky1
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    The henry range offer tried and tested designs, good value and performance. Stay away from the overpriced dyson designer gimmick type shyte.

    did some work lately for someone and they had a Henry the best hoover i ever used to clean up as i had made a lot of dust etc, forget those expensive makes and get a Henry.:cool:


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    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,252 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Ubbquittious wrote: »
    We bought a new Miele not so long ago and it was useless.
    Not a hoover.


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    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Nobelium wrote: »
    The henry range offer tried and tested designs, good value and performance. Stay away from the overpriced dyson designer gimmick type shyte.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOb0RMvfQbg


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    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Nobelium wrote: »
    The henry range offer tried and tested designs, good value and performance. Stay away from the overpriced dyson designer gimmick type shyte.

    Was given a Dyson. Happy to be wrong about it.

    Magic on carpets and handy as f**k


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    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Buy a Nilfisk.


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    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    They are all sh*te as far as I can see. Bought a 'hoover' in the early 90s, basic enough model, built and renovated a house with it, sucked up all sorts of stuff for years. Replaced with others since, all useless.


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    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,780 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Buy a Nilfisk.

    Yes. I have the GM80 which has really powerful suction. Label on it says 1200 W. Very expensive though. Nilfisk are Danish, but the machine is made in Hungary.


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    kirving
    Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭kirving


    The idea behind limiting the motor power was to force manufacturers to innovate in terms motor efficiency, batteries, and aerodynamics.

    The problem is that most people don't care enough about vacuuming, or can't justify buying an expensive model.

    You only uses it every few days for half an hour maybe, so the user never really notices that the new model is costing less, they just notice that it's rubbish.


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    ToxicPaddy
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,764 Mod ✭✭✭✭ToxicPaddy


    Electronics these days are disposable items with limited lifespans to encourage consumers to buy them more frequently. Plus they are not designed to be repaired and have limited changeable parts.

    20-30 years ago they were big purchases and a lot more expensive so they lasted a lot longer. These days everything is disposable.

    TVs and kitchen appliances have all gone the same way.


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    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,902 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    I have a small Miele that’s around 12?years old.

    Was planning on buying the new Dyson but 600 is dear enough.


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    Squatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Squatter


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »


    Was given a Dyson. Happy to be wrong about it. Magic on carpets and handy as f**k


    It's a grand vacuum cleaner - just as long as you're not paying for it yourself.


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    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Squatter wrote: »
    It's a grand vacuum cleaner - just as long as you're not paying for it yourself.

    If I'd known how good it was in terms if cleaning carpets, storage space and speed I'd quite possibly have bought


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    glynf
    Registered Users Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭glynf


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Buy a commercial machine, the new law doesn’t apply to them.


    This. Bought a Fein dustex, mainly for power tools-sander, mitre saw, etc. 1400W, wet and dry, beast of a thing-would suck a golf ball thru a garden hose.



    Have a Dyson as well, noisy bastard of a thing-the Fein is much better than it.


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    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Whatever Hoover vacuum cleaner you buy, make sure its a mains (plug in) one!

    Those new lightweight flashy rechargeable ones are great fun in the beginning, but the rechargeable battery won't last for ever, while mains powered vacuums will last for decades (in some cases) and they pack a much greater punch ...


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    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Less output=less input. Most newer hoovers wouldn't suck up a flea imo


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    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    glynf wrote: »
    This. Bought a Fein dustex, mainly for power tools-sander, mitre saw, etc. 1400W, wet and dry, beast of a thing-would suck a golf ball thru a garden hose.



    Have a Dyson as well, noisy bastard of a thing-the Fein is much better than it.

    'Mé Fein'

    An epic story of one man and his vacuum. You'll laugh, you'll cry and you'll buy.


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    Capt'n Midnight
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    mada82 wrote: »
    Why have they put a law on hoover wattage?
    Because they were inefficient.

    Standard Dyson batteries are 46 Wh.

    If it could supply 2,000 Watts it could only do it for 83 seconds.


    Same with power tools BTW.


    (6-cell Lithium Ion Battery Pack, 21.6 V, 16.2 A, 2100 mAh, 46 Wh).


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    JupiterKid
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    Buy a Nilfisk.

    Yes they are a good bit more expensive but they are excellent, reliable and are built to last. I have a Nilfisk and it has never let me down over 11 years.


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    Nobelium
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    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    Was given a Dyson. Happy to be wrong about it.

    We had a dyson, looks cool, but lasted no time, before failing apart. All image no substance. Got a Henry and never looked back, it's the old tried and tested nilfisk style design, whereas the new nilfisk are shyte.


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    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,167 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Nobelium wrote: »
    We had a dyson, looks cool, but lasted no time, before failing apart. All image no substance. Got a Henry and never looked back, it's the old tried and tested nilfisk style design, whereas the new nilfisk are shyte.

    Our Dyson is 15 years old. Has rolled down the stairs onto a concrete floor more times than an 80s stunt man and it's still great.


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    AMKC
    Registered Users Posts: 15,719 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
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    anewme wrote: »
    I have a small Miele that’s around 12?years old.

    Was planning on buying the new Dyson but 600 is dear enough.

    I got a new one eleven years ago for 250 and its as still good as the day I bought it with great suction. It is reliable and well made too. My parent's have one do and for some reason the suction from it is just sh;;te.


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