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Teachers in Florida to be permitted to carry guns

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,911 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    Teachers in Florida permitted to call in air support and drone strikes

    Teachers in Florida permitted to take off and nuke it from orbit. It is the only way to be sure.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Teachers in Florida....


    9530151.0.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    they just keep doubling down.

    we're right and everyone else is wrong.

    - hey your kids are dying.

    yes, maybe, but you see...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Guns in teachers to be permitted to carry Florida.


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Teachers in Florida to be given the Infinity Gauntlet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,715 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    This is Florida, everyone should be armed at all times just to survive the wildlife.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    Teachers in Florida to be given the Infinity Gauntlet

    Thanos, Governor of Florida, commands it!


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Teachers in Florida to be issued dragon bone handled, Valyrian steel catspaw daggers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    Teachers in Florida to be issued dragon bone handled, Valyrian steel catspaw daggers

    In case of Night King attacks, smart. Between that and the AR-15, teachers got it covered.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    Teachers in Florida....


    9530151.0.jpg
    That's clearly a prototype for an Irish ATM... :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,710 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    biko wrote: »
    If your own children attended a school, would you rather have the teachers armed or not?

    I had teachers that used loose control and throw chalk and dusters at students. So, I wouldn't give them guns.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Several comments I have to make here.

    1) Florida is not the first state to do this. A few have permitted staff (and in at least Utah, students) to be armed for years. So far, there has not been an issue of a stressed teacher (or permitted armed student) losing it. See this ten minute video from NBC last year covering a training course for teachers, with interviews of those teachers. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/i-want-be-able-protect-them-after-parkland-some-teachers-n882261

    2) The same staff are already armed, off school grounds. I don’t believe there is any particular magic which happens when a person with a carry permit walks from the park where he may be lawfully armed and across the street onto school property.

    3) Nobody is (to my knowledge) advocating that teachers who are not so inclined should be armed against their will, or that other security measures should be reduced.

    4) Saying that teachers cannot handle the stress of combat is a broad generalization. A significant number of public school teachers in the US are combat veterans, the DoD and Dept of Education has a program named “Troops to Teachers” which provides job opportunities in public education to servicemen leaving the military. My former platoon sergeant from Iraq is a public school teacher in the Los Angeles school district. I have absolutely no concerns about his actions and capabilities in a firefight. I have seen him in action.

    5) The possibility of a case of mistaken identity is a real one. That is a choice which the armed teacher gets to make for himself. It makes little difference to him if he is killed by a cop who mistakes him or if he is killed because he is cowering helplessly in lockdown and the shooter just happened to get into his room.

    6) The bottom line is that there is no reason to believe that things can get any worse. There is already an armed individual actively and intentionally attempting to kill everyone he can find, and past evidence indicates that they are likely to find dozens. If the armed teacher responding goes wrong, the worst that happens is an innocent person dies. If there is no armed teacher, what’s the worst that happens? If there is one, what’s the best that happens?

    7) What has happened in situations in the past where an active shooter is met by armed retaliation before responding police show up? What has happened in cases that they have not? Go back as far as 1966. How many people did Whitman kill before staff and students started shooting back? How many did he kill between then, and when the police showed up?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    biko wrote: »
    If your own children attended a school, would you rather have the teachers armed or not?
    Would you rather have the teachers carry condoms or not ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Would you rather have the teachers carry condoms or not ?

    Probably legal if they attach them to helium balloons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭mickoneill31


    It's really admitting defeat isn't it.

    There's nothing we can do in the government and the police aren't adequate so arm yourselves lads and take your chances.

    They're going backwards over there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    It's really admitting defeat isn't it.

    There's nothing we can do in the government and the police aren't adequate so arm yourselves lads and take your chances.

    They're going backwards over there.

    Back to the Wild West days. Seems to be what Trump wants.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    It'd keep a few parents quiet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    Teachers in Florida to be issued dragon bone handled, Valyrian steel catspaw daggers

    It's what they do. They carry dragon bone handled, Valyrian steel catspaw daggers and they know things.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭98q76e12hrflnk


    Back to the Wild West days. Seems to be what Trump wants.

    Ah yes and Obama did a too prevent anything


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    declan2693 wrote: »
    Ah yes and Obama did a too prevent anything

    This isn't really a presidential issue. Schootings have been going on since Columbine twenty years ago and there have been they;ve had four presiedents in that time.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭98q76e12hrflnk


    This isn't really a presidential issue. Schootings have been going on since Columbine twenty years ago and there have been they;ve had four presiedents in that time.

    Exactly, my point was how can you relate this to Trump ffs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,025 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Too many gun incidents, therefore we need more guns to stop it.

    I for one am glad I don't live in that country of nutters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    declan2693 wrote: »
    Exactly, my point was how can you relate this to Trump ffs

    How did you relate it to Obama?

    I didn't say school shootings are Trump's fault but he will bring the kip back to medieval times if he's given the chance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭98q76e12hrflnk


    How did you relate it to Obama?

    I didn't say school shootings are Trump's fault but he will bring the kip back to medieval times if he's given the chance.

    And how will he do that exactly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Several comments I have to make here.

    6) The bottom line is that there is no reason to believe that things can get any worse. There is already an armed individual actively and intentionally attempting to kill everyone he can find, and past evidence indicates that they are likely to find dozens. If the armed teacher responding goes wrong, the worst that happens is an innocent person dies. If there is no armed teacher, what’s the worst that happens? If there is one, what’s the best that happens?

    Ah yes the glorious choice of being killed by friendly fire versus enemy fire.
    No wonder the US readily adopted that phrase. :rolleyes:

    As mickoneill says this is totally an admission of defeat that the school authorities and local police cannot protect the kids or indeed the teachers.

    And when this doesn't work will it be suggested that the kids can carry in school ?

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    declan2693 wrote: »
    And how will he do that exactly?

    Through his policies and actions all while lying through his teeth. Like any dictator.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭rgodard80a


    Too many gun incidents, therefore we need more guns to stop it.

    It's in their constitution, the right to arms.
    So only a referendum can revoke it I imagine and the gun lobbyists are very powerful over there.

    Only choice is to level the playing field.

    144 hours of training is over 19 days of training for a teacher to be qualified and approved to carry a gun.
    I had half of day of NRA training and I was ready for the concealed carry application.

    So they only have the option to carry guns, it's nowhere near mandatory.
    Sounds reasonable to me given the situation and limited options available.

    Maybe a bullet proof school uniform too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    The students should be armed too, in case a teacher goes rogue.

    It's funny, but this post in a NRA subreddit could be considered serious!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,025 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    rgodard80a wrote: »
    It's in their constitution, the right to arms.
    So only a referendum can revoke it I imagine and the gun lobbyists are very powerful over there.

    Only choice is to level the playing field.

    144 hours of training is over 19 days of training for a teacher to be qualified and approved to carry a gun.
    I had half of day of NRA training and I was ready for the concealed carry application.

    So they only have the option to carry guns, it's nowhere near mandatory.
    Sounds reasonable to me given the situation and limited options available.

    Maybe a bullet proof school uniform too.

    It would be fine if they were restricted to flintlock muskets, the weapon they had in mind at the time.
    They're still living in a wild west gun fantasy, an almost sexual fanatical attachment to guns hard to find anywhere else.


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