Patrick Quirke -Guilty

realdanbreen · 03-05-2019 12:33PM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I'm sure he never left the farm and somebody else drove the van to the woods.

You're 'Sure' about that yeah? :rolleyes:

realdanbreen · 03-05-2019 12:36PM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

No but I think its possible she could have witnessed it, heard the scuffle in the yard, ran down and found Ryan dead on the ground. Quirke then convinced her to keep quiet and say he'll take care of the body. Through either fear or shock she complies and says nothing, worried she'll be somehow implicated

Like I said previously you could end up facing a jury made up of guys like this!

upupup · 03-05-2019 12:36PM

Vicarious Function wrote: »

Was just thinking same. There must have been an accomplice. I'm sure such a devious man could have found someone to fill that role - at a price.

This is well known around Tipp but not in the papers.
Pat Quirke had a polish man working for him at the time.He went back to poland just after Bobby Ryan went missing and committed suicide soon after returning home so we will never know if this man had anything to do with it.

I also heard there may have been two polish workers.

Vicarious Function · 03-05-2019 12:37PM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Maybe she didnt know exactly where the body was hidden, perhaps Quirke threatened her or she was afraid of him, he did seem to have this hold over her

Somebody, I think maybe Freshpopcorn, mentioned that "everybody in the neighbourhood seemed to think that Quirke had murdered him". Correct me if I'm wrong. If that was the case, nobody was saying anything.

monkeybutter · 03-05-2019 12:41PM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Maybe she didnt know exactly where the body was hidden, perhaps Quirke threatened her or she was afraid of him, he did seem to have this hold over her

he had a hold over her, but she still terminated the lease?

wah?

you are terminating the lease Mary? the bodys on the land, that would be the time to tell her for sure

the crazy thing is she was renting the farm out for 1600 a year, i mean wtf

Vicarious Function · 03-05-2019 12:41PM

upupup wrote: »

This is well known around Tipp but not in the papers.
Pat Quirke had a polish man working for him at the time.He went back to poland just after Bobby Ryan went missing and committed suicide soon after returning home so we will never know if this man had anything to do with it.

I also heard there may have been two polish workers.

I don't know if this has been a proven fact or just "talk". There seems to be some doubt around it, far as I know.

BENDYBINN · 03-05-2019 12:42PM

Crazy decision by courts...

What for example if he knew or strongly suspected Mary Lowry committed the crime and hid the body on the farm?.......he would have behaved in exactly the same way as he did.

monkeybutter · 03-05-2019 12:43PM

Vicarious Function wrote: »

Somebody, I think maybe Freshpopcorn, mentioned that "everybody in the neighbourhood seemed to think that Quirke had murdered him". Correct me if I'm wrong. If that was the case, nobody was saying anything.

Well obviously they were saying something as Freshpopcorn found out

realdanbreen · 03-05-2019 12:45PM

upupup wrote: »

This is well known around Tipp but not in the papers.
Pat Quirke had a polish man working for him at the time.He went back to poland just after Bobby Ryan went missing and committed suicide soon after returning home so we will never know if this man had anything to do with it.

I also heard there may have been two polish workers.

So did the two Polish workers commit suicide?

Vicarious Function · 03-05-2019 12:45PM

monkeybutter wrote: »

Well obviously they were saying something as Freshpopcorn found out

LOL! Of course! But I presume behind the scenes. Whisper! Whisper!

monkeybutter · 03-05-2019 12:45PM

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Crazy decision by courts...

What for example if he knew or strongly suspected Mary Lowry committed the crime and hid the body on the farm?.......he would have behaved in exactly the same way as he did.

Why would she kill him exactly, we need a reasonable reason, not a made up one

Now he wouldn't have acted like that, he literally wrote out a confession on paper

monkeybutter · 03-05-2019 12:47PM

Vicarious Function wrote: »

LOL! Of course! But I presume behind the scenes. Whisper! Whisper!

so they were talking? the scamps, loose lips sink ships, and sure the ngardaí would have heard the rumours then, are they part of a cover up?

Get Gemma on the blower quick

sure what were they going to do exactly? it's all talk really until a body is found

Tacklebox · 03-05-2019 12:48PM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

The only reason he killed him was she was knocking off his bit on the side, or so he hoped.....
I think he cared more about what his pants was telling him to do than his brain.

There has been historical wars over men thinking with their bell end rather than using common sense....

hairyprincess · 03-05-2019 12:51PM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

No but I think its possible she could have witnessed it, heard the scuffle in the yard, ran down and found Ryan dead on the ground. Quirke then convinced her to keep quiet and say he'll take care of the body. Through either fear or shock she complies and says nothing, worried she'll be somehow implicated

The farmyard and the house are not on the same grounds. The farmyard is situated 10kms away.

Stacksofwacks · 03-05-2019 12:52PM

No it was more than that, it was about control. Quirke is obviously an insecure man who couldnt handle being brushed aside like that.

upupup · 03-05-2019 12:52PM

Vicarious Function wrote: »

I don't know if this has been a proven fact or just "talk". There seems to be some doubt around it, far as I know.

There's no doubt about it from people living close to Quirke.

I don't know if this has been mentioned earlier but Quirke's child was killed in an accident with his jeep.Quirke kept the jeep,,most people would not be able to look at a vehicle that kiiled their child so it shows him up as being colder than most people

upupup · 03-05-2019 12:55PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

So did the two Polish workers commit suicide?

One committed suicide,no info about second guy

Necro · 03-05-2019 01:11PM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

No but I think its possible she could have witnessed it, heard the scuffle in the yard, ran down and found Ryan dead on the ground. Quirke then convinced her to keep quiet and say he'll take care of the body. Through either fear or shock she complies and says nothing, worried she'll be somehow implicated

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Maybe she didnt know exactly where the body was hidden, perhaps Quirke threatened her or she was afraid of him, he did seem to have this hold over her

Eh? Even if what you're alleging is true (unlikely) then he's still guilty of murder, so justice was served. You should be happy.

Vicarious Function · 03-05-2019 01:14PM

hairyprincess wrote: »

The farmyard and the house are not on the same grounds. The farmyard is situated 10kms away.

Doesn't look like that on the map.

BENDYBINN · 03-05-2019 01:14PM

monkeybutter wrote: »

he had a hold over her, but she still terminated the lease?

wah?

you are terminating the lease Mary? the bodys on the land, that would be the time to tell her for sure

the crazy thing is she was renting the farm out for 1600 a year, i mean wtf

He could have been blackmailing her ......if he knew she did it.

Stacksofwacks · 03-05-2019 01:16PM

Necro wrote: »

Eh? Even if what you're alleging is true (unlikely) then he's still guilty of murder, so justice was served. You should be happy.

Eh? So even if what I'm alleging is untrue(unlikely), you think its ok for a witness to a murder to withold information from a major murder trial, pleading that its because she's a woman who liked to indulge herself in love triangles

Necro · 03-05-2019 01:20PM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Eh? So even if what I'm alleging is untrue(unlikely), you think its ok for a witness to a murder to withold information from a major murder trial, pleading that its because she's a woman who liked to indulge herself in love triangles

Your scenario still has Quirke as guilty, which a jury of his peers deemed him to be.

Mary Lowry lying on the stand doesn't change any hypothetical scenario you wish to concoct, even in that you still have him as the killer.

And anyways, it's been pointed out to you repeatedly - if she was involved then why would she seek legal advice to break the lease with Quirke when the body was hidden on her land.

The most obvious, and imo correct answer given all of the evidence presented at the trial - the internet searches in particular - is that Quirke is guilty.

And I'm delighted the jury saw through his facade of blame shifting.

Sajid Javid · 03-05-2019 01:21PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Not all of the information you mention was put the to the jury. The sex tapes and the underwear stealing in particular were excluded from evidence by the judge.

Oh no. no no no!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/murder-accused-stole-underwear-from-former-lover-s-clothes-line-1.3776045

https://www.thejournal.ie/mary-lowry-patrick-quirke-computer-recording-4565840-Mar2019/

In relation to the underware been stolen Mary did not report this to the Guards and Quirke did not seem to bothered when she said to him " I hope you wont be stealing Mary Dillons knickers of the line.

In relation to the recording She said she did not make the recording and did not give anyone permission to record the conversation.
As alluded to by a poster previous this is Kinky stuff note she did not say that she had never given Quirke permission to record her or that she never recorded her self for purposes unknown.
Now one could conclude that the defense was weak but one must keep in mind the fact that counsel was working under instruction.
In my opinion the Guards should have charged Mary if only for the purpose of extracting the truth the whole truth...............
I know I can hear it from here What Evidence?
His appeal will made on the grounds that relevant evidence was not put before the Jury and the appeal will be successful.

PhilOssophy · 03-05-2019 01:24PM

monkeybutter wrote: »

there's an accomplice now is there? that's some revelation,

6:30 in the morning, liftin fookin heavy tank lids is it, on an unused dairy farm, it was a big heavy concrete yoke

lads how far is bansha woods? I'm sure a few miles across country he's a local, he walked home after he moved the van, best way to not get spotted

He acted alone

If you had bothered reading my post, I didn't say he lifted anything, I said he was lured out there on the premise of something needing to be lifted.

Stacksofwacks · 03-05-2019 01:26PM

Necro wrote: »

Your scenario still has Quirke as guilty, which a jury of his peers deemed him to be.

Mary Lowry lying on the stand doesn't change any hypothetical scenario you wish to concoct, even in that you still have him as the killer.

And anyways, it's been pointed out to you repeatedly - if she was involved then why would she seek legal advice to break the lease with Quirke when the body was hidden on her land.

The most obvious, and imo correct answer given all of the evidence presented at the trial - the internet searches in particular - is that Quirke is guilty.

And I'm delighted the jury saw through his facade of blame shifting.

You're proabaly right but the Mary little lamb facade hasnt convinced me either perhaps Im just cynical

freshpopcorn · 03-05-2019 01:28PM

Vicarious Function wrote: »

Somebody, I think maybe Freshpopcorn, mentioned that "everybody in the neighbourhood seemed to think that Quirke had murdered him". Correct me if I'm wrong. If that was the case, nobody was saying anything.

I heard stuff in 2012. I didn't know the people involved.
There was stuff about the man that died. I don't know of it's true or not so I won't mention it.
They was a lot of gossip about affairs and people involved it looks like it was true. They also said the body was very close to the house where he was last seen.

PhilOssophy · 03-05-2019 01:30PM

I wonder is Mary Lowry related to Michael Lowry, that man would get you off anything I have heard!!

monkeybutter · 03-05-2019 01:30PM

hairyprincess wrote: »

The farmyard and the house are not on the same grounds. The farmyard is situated 10kms away.

it's 10 meters away more like

monkeybutter · 03-05-2019 01:34PM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

If you had bothered reading my post, I didn't say he lifted anything, I said he was lured out there on the premise of something needing to be lifted.

oh i read what you said, what was he lifting so? what difference does it even make

you said he had an accomplice, like thats mad enough

monkeybutter · 03-05-2019 01:36PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I heard stuff in 2012. I didn't know the people involved.
There was stuff about the man that died. I don't know of it's true or not so I won't mention it.
They was a lot of gossip about affairs and people involved it looks like it was true. They also said the body was very close to the house where he was last seen.

and you didn't go to the po po?

I know snitches get stitches, but come on

Patrick Quirke -Guilty

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