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Alex Jones content removed from Facebook, Youtube, Apple

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  • #1082
    ogsjw
    Site Banned Posts: 328 ✭✭ogsjw


    Patty Hearst wrote: »
    Not only in Jones banned, but anyone who shares anything by him will be banned too..

    very very worrying. China/North Korea level stuff.


    Can I get some receipts here please...


  • #1083
    Patty Hearst
    Closed Accounts Posts: 290 ✭✭Patty Hearst


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I'm far too old to be a millenial and i have no issue with a private company deciding who should and should not be allowed use their platforms. You are woefully misinformed if you think it is only millenials that support this.

    Whatever you are, she describes you too a tee.


  • #1084
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Patty Hearst wrote: »
    Whatever you are, she describes you too a tee.

    Best solution is to not use facebook.


  • #1085
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Patty Hearst wrote: »
    Sometimes I despair at how utterly weak and pathetic many of the Millennial generation are.

    But seeing how different a lot of the younger generation seem to be, it gives me hope.

    The 14 year old girl in the video above sums it up quite well.

    Reddit homos? Yeah, she's got it all worked out! :rolleyes:


  • #1086
    Patty Hearst
    Closed Accounts Posts: 290 ✭✭Patty Hearst


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Best solution is to not use facebook.

    I don't actually use Facebook, haven't even looked at it for a long time.

    Something like this might hasten its demise which I would love but its the principle of the banning that pisses me off.


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  • #1087
    Former Observer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 474 ✭✭Former Observer


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    That's all this is. It's a gobshíte being banned off a social media platform for being a díck.


    Nobody should be banned simply for being a "dick", as you put it.

    If somebody thinks there is something fishy about the Sandy Hook murders (for example) they should surely be able to express those opinions on social media, including but not limited to the hypothesis that the children and parents involved were crisis actors. I understand that this may be upsetting to parents etc. but that's just the way it is.


    For Alex Jones to be banned from social media he'd surely have to have done something more than perpetuate an unpopular line or reasoning/opinion. I haven't spent any time reading about this, but I'd be surprised if he was literally and directly sending baying mobs to people's homes, was he?


  • #1088
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,931 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Former Observer wrote: »
    Nobody should be banned simply for being a "dick", as you put it.

    If somebody thinks there is something fishy about the Sandy Hook murders (for example) they should surely be able to express those opinions on social media, including but not limited to the hypothesis that the children and parents involved were crisis actors. I understand that this may be upsetting to parents etc. but that's just the way it is.


    For Alex Jones to be banned from social media he'd surely have to have done something more than perpetuate an unpopular line or reasoning/opinion. I haven't spent any time reading about this, but I'd be surprised if he was literally and directly sending baying mobs to people's homes, was he?

    Upsetting? they had to move house several times because of harrassment. that is a little more than upsetting. and alex jones is responsible for all of that. Hence why the parents are suing him.


  • #1089
    Former Observer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 474 ✭✭Former Observer


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Upsetting? they had to move house several times because of harrassment. that is a little more than upsetting. and alex jones is responsible for all of that. Hence why the parents are suing him.

    Yes, my point, or rather my question, is how can Alex Jones be held responsible for what other people do on the back of his right to express his opinion that Sandy Hook was a hoax. I haven't heard anyone suggest that he was literally handing out road maps and sending columns of drivers that way. A bunch of people on the spectrum listened to his radio station and took their own initiative.


  • #1090
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Patty Hearst wrote: »
    Ipso wrote: »
    But you’re ok with Infowars terms of service that has the same thing? Or are you one of those people who take him seriously?
    Infowars is not a social media company, in the same way that RTE isn't.
    Yeah, it is social media. It's their forums that they ban you off of,and forums (including this one we are posting on right now) are social media.


  • #1091
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Good day for Antifa yesterday. Those nutjobs deplatformed, and Tommy + milkshake. Maybe the tide is turning people getting tired of these right wingers stirring up hatred.


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  • #1092
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Former Observer wrote: »
    Yes, my point, or rather my question, is how can Alex Jones be held responsible for what other people do on the back of his right to express his opinion that Sandy Hook was a hoax. I haven't heard anyone suggest that he was handing out road maps and sending columns of drivers that way.

    He accused parents of the murdered children of being crisis actors etc so there are libel issues that companies may not want to be part of and notvwanting to be associated with the worse the internet can offer. Good news is he’s being sued, so hopefully he ends up living in a dumpster.


  • #1093
    Patty Hearst
    Closed Accounts Posts: 290 ✭✭Patty Hearst


    20Cent wrote: »
    Good day for Antifa yesterday. Those nutjobs deplatformed, and Tommy + milkshake. Maybe the tide is turning people getting tired of these right wingers stirring up hatred.

    You still support Antifa even though they're associated with the killers of Lyra McKeee?


  • #1094
    turbbo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭turbbo


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Yeah, it is social media. It's their forums that they ban you off of,and forums (including this one we are posting on right now) are social media.

    Yes it's a fine line for Social Media and I predict a legal backlash for any of the big ones for suddenly wanting to control their content. Afaik boards has always controlled the content through it's mediators - which gives them a free pass - they always considered themselves as content providers. FB on the other hand never claimed to be content providers. Where will this lead? Imagine trying to regulate FB. Must be close to impossible.


  • #1095
    Former Observer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 474 ✭✭Former Observer


    Ipso wrote: »
    He accused parents of the murdered children of being crisis actors etc

    Surely a person should be able to publicly express the opinion or otherwise speculate as to whether the parents of the children are crisis actors?

    Interesting question as to when/if that becomes libel though.


  • #1096
    Il Fascista
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Il Fascista


    20Cent wrote: »
    Good day for Antifa yesterday. Those nutjobs deplatformed, and Tommy + milkshake. Maybe the tide is turning people getting tired of these right wingers stirring up hatred.

    I thought that they were anti fascists? Why would they be happy about people who aren't fascists getting banned? Or are you indirectly admitting that it has nothing to do with being against fascism and everything to do with getting rid of their political foes?


  • #1097
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Patty Hearst wrote: »
    You still support Antifa even though they're associated with the killers of Lyra McKeee?

    Stretch there dude.


  • #1098
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Patty Hearst wrote: »
    Perhaps one of the European Right wing Govts will ban any mention of Transgenderism on social media.

    I'm sure all those who support PJW, Jones etc bans will have no problem with that.
    Hold on... which country was it that forced Facebook to ban Paul Joseph Watson, again?


  • #1099
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Hold on... which country was it that forced Facebook to ban Paul Joseph Watson, again?

    Deepstatistan?


  • #1100
    Patty Hearst
    Closed Accounts Posts: 290 ✭✭Patty Hearst


    20Cent wrote: »
    Stretch there dude.

    Not a stretch at all...

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    But this is off topic anyway


  • #1101
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Patty Hearst wrote: »
    You still support Antifa even though they're associated with the killers of Lyra McKeee?

    Firstly, you're exploiting the murder of a girl because of your own views. You do have a tendency to make outlandish statements and fail to back them up. Eg your ravings that got sourced back to weird nazi forums about antifa Ireland.... :P

    Posters such as yourself are terrible at pretending to be reasonable.


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  • #1102
    Patty Hearst
    Closed Accounts Posts: 290 ✭✭Patty Hearst


    batgoat wrote: »
    Firstly, you're exploiting the murder of a girl because of your own views. You do have a tendency to make outlandish statements and fail to back them up. Eg your ravings that got sourced back to weird nazi forums about antifa Ireland.... :P

    The photographs above show a clear link between Antifa and Saoradh..quite clear.

    But as I said this is off topic


  • #1103
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,931 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Former Observer wrote: »
    Yes, my point, or rather my question, is how can Alex Jones be held responsible for what other people do on the back of his right to express his opinion that Sandy Hook was a hoax. I haven't heard anyone suggest that he was literally handing out road maps and sending columns of drivers that way. A bunch of people on the spectrum listened to his radio station and took their own initiative.

    He encouraged them. He provided them with information on where the parents lived. He expressed an opinion that is libellous. he is being sued for libel. No company wants to be involved with that.


  • #1104
    ogsjw
    Site Banned Posts: 328 ✭✭ogsjw


    Patty Hearst wrote: »
    You still support Antifa even though they're associated with the killers of Lyra McKeee?


    Oh my god my brain just exploded.



    Wanting a United Ireland makes you 'associated with the Real IRA' now apparently.



    Ohh.... I need a lie down... but I'm out in public... what do I do here, do I just crawl up into the foetal position on the ground?



    Someone please send help.


  • #1105
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,355 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Seems like the brains-trust have jumped ship from the Tommeh thread to defending the Infowars bottom-feeders.


  • #1106
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Are there a left wing version of Alex Jones and PJW etc?
    Have they been banned as well?

    It seems to me grifters cashing in on ignorance seems to be a mostly right wing phenomenon.


  • #1107
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Former Observer wrote: »
    If somebody thinks there is something fishy about the Sandy Hook murders (for example) they should surely be able to express those opinions on social media, including but not limited to the hypothesis that the children and parents involved were crisis actors. I understand that this may be upsetting to parents etc. but that's just the way it is.
    If i decided to launch a campaign on boards accusing you of being a pedophile and spread it into other social media sites, doxing you (revealing your offline identity) in the process and making everyone in your everyday life know that you are accused of being a pedophile, resulting in you and members of your family receiving daily death threats, your tune would change on that extremely quickly with regards to my boards.ie account (and other social media accounts, and bank account, etc if I were using these to continue to spread these lies about you).


  • #1108
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    turbbo wrote: »
    Billy86 wrote: »
    Yeah, it is social media. It's their forums that they ban you off of,and forums (including this one we are posting on right now) are social media.

    Yes it's a fine line for Social Media and I predict a legal backlash for any of the big ones for suddenly wanting to control their content. Afaik boards has always controlled the content through it's mediators - which gives them a free pass - they always considered themselves as content providers. FB on the other hand never claimed to be content providers. Where will this lead? Imagine trying to regulate FB. Must be close to impossible.
    Facebook have had TOS and have been been banning people for breaking them since their inception. Nothing has changed there.


  • #1109
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Patty Hearst wrote: »
    batgoat wrote: »
    Firstly, you're exploiting the murder of a girl because of your own views. You do have a tendency to make outlandish statements and fail to back them up. Eg your ravings that got sourced back to weird nazi forums about antifa Ireland.... :P

    The photographs above show a clear link between Antifa and Saoradh..quite clear.

    But as I said this is off topic
    So as per your earlier comment, what country was it that forced Facebook to put this ban on Paul Joseph Watson etc in place?


  • #1110
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Former Observer wrote: »
    Surely a person should be able to publicly express the opinion or otherwise speculate as to whether the parents of the children are crisis actors?

    Interesting question as to when/if that becomes libel though.

    He didn't speculate. He said it straight out.

    Even better, only a couple of weeks ago he admitted that it was nonsense and blamed it on a psychosis. His deposition is up there on youtube.

    This wasn't just some guy sharing an opinion in good faith.


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  • #1111
    Former Observer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 474 ✭✭Former Observer


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    He encouraged them.

    My understanding is that he expressed his belief that the shooting was staged and that other people bought into that theory.

    If I'm the Pope and I encourage people to read the bible does that make me responsible when someone goes on a killing spree citing the word of God?

    And for those of you of an anti-theist persuasion, there are plenty of secular examples also.

    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    He provided them with information on where the parents lived.

    Surely no more than any other news site/TV channel did.

    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    He expressed an opinion that is libellous.

    But is it libelous? If I believe Elvis Presley is alive but his family disagrees and moreover find the very notion upsetting, surely there is enough space in the world for both opinions.


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