"Book readers" - Season 8 Episode 3 "The Long Night" - Spoilers post 2 forward

Necro wrote:

I don't understand your point? There are no 'flanks' to attack per se, they move in a large mass as is evident from when they were standing in front of the flames. Are you suggesting the Dothraki try to swing around the sides - because the mass would just shift fairly quickly and overwhelm them like they did with the main forces.

I made the comment while watching that the wights move more like the sea rushing up onto the sand than anything resembling human.

billyhead wrote: »

What I would love to know is where did Ayra come from when she killed the NK i.e its like she was right above him and then came straight down. Also how come the NKs lieutenants didn't see here rock up towards him. The death of the NK was all a bit silly.

she's a ninja assassin with magical powers. use your imagination.

For all that are complaining about Arya killing the NK;
Remember that Sam Tarly killed a walker first

Necro wrote: »

Yeah, that's what I was kind of trying to get at. Comparing the undead horde to a military force is a bit silly as they don't care if they get hurt or trampled, unless you burn them or stab them with dragonglass they just keep coming. Trying to brute force through them would have horses and men atop them dragged under.

But meh, I don't want to keep banging on about this any more. There are no tactics in any book or online that would assist an assault on a massive undead force as they aren't real :pac:

Posted my last reply before I read this post. I disagree, I just think you're reading the wrong books on tactics. But hey, it's a world with dragons and undead and Ed Sheeran so who really cares. There are far more important things to be doing than going round in circles with me.

It's a zombie army, commanded by an icy undead king who rides on a zombie dragon.

Deleted User wrote: »

Throw all the feeling you want at it but does not change the fact that if the dothraki stayed in reach of ranged weapons only they could have run the length of the Undead taking out hundreds on each pass, until they force a charge.
Then retreat drawing them into range of large ranged weapons. Then yes circle around and keep the attacks going from the sides. The NK army was focused on the castle and narrowed in for that.


Trenches further out with archers actually firing at them. The undead stood looking through the fire for an age.

the NK army may have an advantage of berseker style rage attack but they have no formation, no defense, no caution. You keep assuming that just because they have no fear that any tactics will fail, when all that needs be done is whittle away at them constantly, bottle neck, arrange defenses smarter.


hey were always going to be overwhelmed but the point was to force the Night King to make his move. As it stands it was only through sheer over confidence of the NK and the magic of Deus Ex Arya that contrived a victory.

And after all that, the NK would raise his hands in the air like he just dont care and lift the newly undead and those not dropped by dragonglass and fire.



Rewatching a 3rd time, big shout out to the 2 Wildlings left standing at the end, standing on the roof of a hut inside the walls of Winterfells with bodies all around them

PhiloCypher wrote: »

It's kinda funny, everybody has complained about how the show has lost its complexity in favour of becoming a straight up fantasy show full of mindless action in the last few seasons. A few of us suggest how they could have made the battle more interesting and dare I say it complex and nows it's "why are you complicating things,they are undead, it's a Fantasy show".

There's nowt as strange as folk as they say.

There's different types of viewers imo, when I say I miss the complexity of the show I miss the political aspect the actual "game" of thrones, the people in rooms saying clever things, those magic two hander scenes, like Cersei and Robert, Varys and Littlefinger, Tryion and Tywin, even Tywin and Arya in those scenes at Harrenhall. Those things to me are what make the show great, and all of those type scenes in the last few seasons have been lacking a little something for my taste (but I still love the show)

I literally don't care about battle scenes at all, there's nothing about two armies charging at each other that interests me at all. When I do a rewatch I often skip forward through battle scenes cos to me it's the kind of thing that once you've seen once or twice already you don't need to see again. Because of that I'm willing to forgive what others might see as tactical errors cos I'm like grand let's watch this spectacle and get it over with so we can see the good stuff. I appreciate that there are those who think only the battle scenes are any use so they probably experience the same frustration as I do when the dialogue isn't as sharp as I want it to be.

My point is we don't all want or care about the same things, essentially we're all watching different shows!! So arguing about it is lunacy!

Visually great - good battle and all that but over all I felt it was woeful --- 8 years building up the WWs /NK and a little pin brick and he's gone with no insight into what he was after and all the other loose plot lines surrounding his story. I know the real story is about the fight for the Iron Throne but come on!! - If this was their grand plan they would have been better off just giving a whole season over the the WWs/NK and just be done with it instead of building it up like they did.

Hopefully Martin addresses all this in the final book.

paulbok wrote: »

I'd go with the opposite for the Dothraki, once they charge into the swarm of dead they come to a standstill. They take out the first few dead in front of them but get easily overrun. Following horsemen crash into them (it being pitch black save for the flaming swords). Dead climb over each other to get to the next live Dothraki.
It'd be like running into water on a beach, great speed initaily but quickly lose momentum and as you get deeper the strength/pressure of the water knocks you over.

The density of dead was ideal for the trebuchets and dragons to blitz, and archers couldn't miss once in range

I'm talking the Wight stragglers who were still walking into the castle while the NK was in the gods wood