Necro wrote: I don't understand your point? There are no 'flanks' to attack per se, they move in a large mass as is evident from when they were standing in front of the flames. Are you suggesting the Dothraki try to swing around the sides - because the mass would just shift fairly quickly and overwhelm them like they did with the main forces.
Triceratops Ballet wrote: » I made the comment while watching that the wights move more like the sea rushing up onto the sand than anything resembling human.
Necro wrote: » I don't understand your point? There are no 'flanks' to attack per se, they move in a large mass as is evident from when they were standing in front of the flames. Are you suggesting the Dothraki try to swing around the sides - because the mass would just shift fairly quickly and overwhelm them like they did with the main forces. And it's not width, it's depth I'm referring to. To attempt to flank them would mean travelling a huge distance, at speed on horseback. The horses would be shattered by the time they reached the rear and the mass would simply turn and hit them hard regardless. Anyways the Dothraki aren't exactly trained cavalry. Someone compared them to the Mongols/Huns and that's more appropriate.
billyhead wrote: » What I would love to know is where did Ayra come from when she killed the NK i.e its like she was right above him and then came straight down. Also how come the NKs lieutenants didn't see here rock up towards him. The death of the NK was all a bit silly.
ckeng wrote: » Unless they're in a circle there is no way not to have flanks. If your're talking depth then you just have flanks that are miles long. Regardless though, there's also no need for them to flank the undead army or go to the rear. Wight's have no ranged weapons. Mounted cavalry ride to within bow shot, shoot off a couple of rounds and retreat. Repeat as necessary.
Necro wrote: » Yeah, that's what I was kind of trying to get at. Comparing the undead horde to a military force is a bit silly as they don't care if they get hurt or trampled, unless you burn them or stab them with dragonglass they just keep coming. Trying to brute force through them would have horses and men atop them dragged under. But meh, I don't want to keep banging on about this any more. There are no tactics in any book or online that would assist an assault on a massive undead force as they aren't real :pac:
ckeng wrote: » Posted my last reply before I read this post. I disagree, I just think you're reading the wrong books on tactics. But hey, it's a world with dragons and undead and Ed Sheeran so who really cares. There are far more important things to be doing than going round in circles with me.
Necro wrote: » These are war horses though, bred for battle not reconnaissance
Necro wrote: » Once more, with feeling... They are not an army, they are a mass of undead who continuously push forward. They don't tire, they don't stop. If they don't have weapons they rip you apart with brute force, or nails, or teeth. Trying to compare a military force to them and this idea of flanking a horde is insane. They'd simply turn and overwhelm them, as is what happened.
Deleted User wrote: » Throw all the feeling you want at it but does not change the fact that if the dothraki stayed in reach of ranged weapons only they could have run the length of the Undead taking out hundreds on each pass, until they force a charge. Then retreat drawing them into range of large ranged weapons. Then yes circle around and keep the attacks going from the sides. The NK army was focused on the castle and narrowed in for that. Trenches further out with archers actually firing at them. The undead stood looking through the fire for an age. the NK army may have an advantage of berseker style rage attack but they have no formation, no defense, no caution. You keep assuming that just because they have no fear that any tactics will fail, when all that needs be done is whittle away at them constantly, bottle neck, arrange defenses smarter. hey were always going to be overwhelmed but the point was to force the Night King to make his move. As it stands it was only through sheer over confidence of the NK and the magic of Deus Ex Arya that contrived a victory.
duploelabs wrote: » It's a zombie army, commanded by an icy undead king who rides on a zombie dragon (of a show that had better standards once).
razorblunt wrote: » And after all that, the NK would raise his hands in the air like he just dont care and lift the newly undead and those not dropped by dragonglass and fire.
PhiloCypher wrote: » It's kinda funny, everybody has complained about how the show has lost its complexity in favour of becoming a straight up fantasy show full of mindless action in the last few seasons. A few of us suggest how they could have made the battle more interesting and dare I say it complex and nows it's "why are you complicating things,they are undead, it's a Fantasy show". There's nowt as strange as folk as they say.
Deleted User wrote: » Lose 1,000s to gain several dozen?
Triceratops Ballet wrote: » There's different types of viewers imo, when I say I miss the complexity of the show I miss the political aspect the actual "game" of thrones, the people in rooms saying clever things, those magic two hander scenes, like Cersei and Robert, Varys and Littlefinger, Tryion and Tywin, even Tywin and Arya in those scenes at Harrenhall. Those things to me are what make the show great, and all of those type scenes in the last few seasons have been lacking a little something for my taste (but I still love the show)
razorblunt wrote: » There were undead still pouring into winterfell (fell before the walls) at the end when they all crumbled.
Necro wrote: » Agree with you re: the dialogue. It's definitely suffered from the post book phase in that respect. As I said, it's a crying shame Martin couldn't have finished the novels before the show caught up. It's still excellent - just not at the early season standards.
duploelabs wrote: » It's a zombie army, commanded by an icy undead king who rides on a zombie dragon.
fash wrote: » Most likely dead dothraki. Even if previously existing (hardly credible), it was that density of wights that would be perfect to mow down by dothraki.
paulbok wrote: » I'd go with the opposite for the Dothraki, once they charge into the swarm of dead they come to a standstill. They take out the first few dead in front of them but get easily overrun. Following horsemen crash into them (it being pitch black save for the flaming swords). Dead climb over each other to get to the next live Dothraki. It'd be like running into water on a beach, great speed initaily but quickly lose momentum and as you get deeper the strength/pressure of the water knocks you over. The density of dead was ideal for the trebuchets and dragons to blitz, and archers couldn't miss once in range
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