Mart to Sell Young Pedigree Bulls

Brexitcircus · 01-05-2019 10:18AM #1

Is the any good marts in particular other than your normal weekly mart to sell handy pedigree bulls around 12 months old, that don't need to be halter trained.
Are there sales in Fermoy, Cashel?

whelan2 · 01-05-2019 10:23AM

Brexitcircus wrote: »

Is the any good marts in particular other than your normal weekly mart to sell handy pedigree bulls around 12 months old, that don't need to be halter trained.
Are there sales in Fermoy, Cashel?

Done deal

Brexitcircus · 01-05-2019 10:24AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Done deal

Done deal seems to be extremely slow at the moment nothing selling.

whelan2 · 01-05-2019 10:29AM

Brexitcircus wrote: »

Done deal seems to be extremely slow at the moment nothing selling.

What breed are they?

Brexitcircus · 01-05-2019 10:30AM

whelan2 wrote: »

What breed are they?

Angus and Hereford, not even getting any calls.

Sacrolyte · 01-05-2019 10:54AM

Any mart

Brexitcircus · 01-05-2019 10:54AM

Are a lot of dairy farmers using AI?

whelan2 · 01-05-2019 10:59AM

Brexitcircus wrote: »

Angus and Hereford, not even getting any calls.

I'm northeast here and we getting a good few calls for Angus bulls, mainly repeat customers. 12 months is a tad young imo.

Brexitcircus · 01-05-2019 11:01AM

whelan2 wrote: »

I'm northeast here and we getting a good few calls for Angus bulls, mainly repeat customers. 12 months is a tad young imo.

You are probably right, there are older here too but no bite at the bit.

whelan2 · 01-05-2019 11:09AM

Brexitcircus wrote: »

You are probably right, there are older here too but no bite at the bit.

Do you know any other breeders, give them your number. I give people other lads numbers when we run out of bulls. In a month or so lads will be looking for bulls to clean up.

patsy_mccabe · 01-05-2019 11:17AM

Brexitcircus wrote: »

whelan2 wrote: »

Done deal

Done deal seems to be extremely slow at the moment nothing selling.

I advertised a Lim bull yesterday on Donedeal , 5 star. Not one call yet. Country is full of pedigree bulls.

Brexitcircus · 01-05-2019 11:23AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Do you know any other breeders, give them your number. I give people other lads numbers when we run out of bulls. In a month or so lads will be looking for bulls to clean up.

Yes, same reports bulls are hard sold at the moment.

Brexitcircus · 01-05-2019 11:27AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I advertised a Lim bull yesterday on Donedeal , 5 star. Not one call yet. Country is full of pedigree bulls.

I have them up longer than that and not one call.

Albert Johnson · 01-05-2019 11:40AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I advertised a Lim bull yesterday on Donedeal , 5 star. Not one call yet. Country is full of pedigree bulls.

I'm inclined to agree with you there Patsy. It seems fashionable now to have a pedigree cow running with the sucklers. I know a good few lads that reduced the commercial herd and keep a few purebreds instead. The trend was selling springing heifers for a few years but it seems to have turned to pedigree bulls. There's still a market for quality stock but the whole job seems oversubscribed at the moment.

Brexitcircus · 01-05-2019 11:46AM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

I'm inclined to agree with you there Patsy. It seems fashionable now to have a pedigree cow running with the sucklers. I know a good few lads that reduced the commercial herd and keep a few purebreds instead. The trend was selling springing heifers for a few years but it seems to have turned to pedigree bulls. There's still a market for quality stock but the whole job seems oversubscribed at the moment.

Breed societies are going to have to do something about the overproduction of bulls.

whelan2 · 01-05-2019 12:17PM

Brexitcircus wrote: »

Breed societies are going to have to do something about the overproduction of bulls.

Seems to only be in certain areas though. There's definitely a shortage in my area. Why would the breed societies do anything aren't they getting the registration fees etc?

Brexitcircus · 01-05-2019 12:45PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Seems to only be in certain areas though. There's definitely a shortage in my area. Why would the breed societies do anything aren't they getting the registration fees etc?

The quality of bulls at sales dropping, poor prices, high percentage of unsold bulls. None of this is good reading.

True, why would they when getting more money as a result.

Limestone Cowboy · 01-05-2019 03:43PM

Too many lads looking for London for them,an average pedigree bull isint worth any more than beef price.

Brexitcircus · 01-05-2019 03:57PM

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Too many lads looking for London for them,an average pedigree bull isint worth any more than beef price.

You are wasting your time breeding them in the first place if getting the same as beef prices and if that is the case you would want to be asking yourself some serious questions.

bogman_bass · 01-05-2019 04:02PM

The problem is lads think all their geese are swans and then get highly offended if the society or anybody else said that their stock isn’t up to scratch

Limestone Cowboy · 01-05-2019 04:19PM

Brexitcircus wrote: »

You are wasting your time breeding them in the first place if getting the same as beef prices and if that is the case you would want to be asking yourself some serious questions.

Everyone with pedigrees seems to think every bull is worth 2k+ at 12-15 months. There's enough bulls in the country that fellas don't need to be giving near that for the poorer ones. A poorly done yearling pedigree won't have eaten any more than a well done commercial animal that probably has better conformation and would struggle to make €1200 in the mart.

patsy_mccabe · 01-05-2019 06:13PM

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Everyone with pedigrees seems to think every bull is worth 2k+ at 12-15 months. There's enough bulls in the country that fellas don't need to be giving near that for the poorer ones. A poorly done yearling pedigree won't have eaten any more than a well done commercial animal that probably has better conformation and would struggle to make €1200 in the mart.

There's way more cost than that. Good AI straws cost about €50 and AI costs after that. If the bull doesn't perform you have to cover that too. I don't believe in heavy feeding bulls, it's the same bull you're buying fed or not. You'd like to think lads could see tru the feeding.

grassroot1 · 01-05-2019 06:27PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

There's way more cost than that. Good AI straws cost about €50 and AI costs after that. If the bull doesn't perform you have to cover that too. I don't believe in heavy feeding bulls, it's the same bull you're buying fed or not. You'd like to think lads could see tru the feeding.

Well they don't in both rams or bulls buyers will scutter on about not wanting over fed animals and go right ahead and buy a ball of butter that falls apart when the feeding stops

Limestone Cowboy · 01-05-2019 06:38PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

There's way more cost than that. Good AI straws cost about €50 and AI costs after that. If the bull doesn't perform you have to cover that too. I don't believe in heavy feeding bulls, it's the same bull you're buying fed or not. You'd like to think lads could see tru the feeding.

There's plenty of lads using ai on sucklers aswell without seeing that kind of return. You know yourself from going to sales it's hard to shift a raw bull.

patsy_mccabe · 01-05-2019 06:56PM

What do you mean by 'raw' - not heavily fed?

Limestone Cowboy · 01-05-2019 07:37PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What do you mean by 'raw' - not heavily fed?

Ya.

whelan2 · 01-05-2019 08:06PM

Lads halter training them and showing them would need at least 2k. We dont halter train them price is normally 1700-1800 , if you dont buy him some one else will. We would put very little time into them in fairness. Always repeat customers .

whelan2 · 01-05-2019 08:10PM

Brexitcircus wrote: »

You are wasting your time breeding them in the first place if getting the same as beef prices and if that is the case you would want to be asking yourself some serious questions.

What makes your bulls better than anyone elses?

kollegeknight · 01-05-2019 08:40PM

A neighbor is left with about 5 AA bills and apparently there is a lad in very west Clare with a few hundred AA pedigree bulls. He has a big shed with a crows nest for keeping an eye on them.

I was chatting the vet about potential directions to go for myself and he said whatever I do, stay away from pedigree anything as that boat had sailed. Every herd had a few now.

whelan2 · 01-05-2019 08:47PM

kollegeknight wrote: »

A neighbor is left with about 5 AA bills and apparently there is a lad in very west Clare with a few hundred AA pedigree bulls. He has a big shed with a crows nest for keeping an eye on them.

I was chatting the vet about potential directions to go for myself and he said whatever I do, stay away from pedigree anything as that boat had sailed. Every herd had a few now.

I remember about 15 years ago there was a glut of aa bulls, it coincided with us after doing an et and getting a load of bulls related to a bull we had in ai. We took £900 for them to get rid of them

Brexitcircus · 01-05-2019 08:49PM

whelan2 wrote: »

What makes your bulls better than anyone elses?

I didn't say that. I am saying if pedigree stock are making the same as commercial cattle why breed pedigree.

If people are selling bulls and especially heifers for commercial prices that will bring down the market average.

I am selling heifers and am getting lads calling me there is such a person selling heifers for x price which are commercial prices.

Mart to Sell Young Pedigree Bulls

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