"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 3 "The Long Night" - Spoilers post 2 forwa

2Mad2BeMad · 29-04-2019 09:41PM

nix wrote: »

Yeah most of us that didn't mostly enjoy last nights episode but loved all seasons leading up to this, just decided that this season we would go against the grain to get likes on boards.ie. It couldn't possibly be a case of the shows logic, script and storytelling have taken a nose dive :rolleyes:

Really enjoyed the episode.
Few small gripes
It was too dark I thought it was my TV, way to many moments when big named characters where up against the odds and somehow survived but that's tv and like I said only a small gripes.
Major annoyance was the night king being killed like that I like ayra loved how her character developed but I don't think she deserved the kill plus for it to be over just like that her teleporting in is ridiculous.

But again I loved the episode for what it was. Really tense
Wonder how the next 3 episodes are gonna play out. Seen as how there's no army left to fight cersi.

Mokuba · 29-04-2019 09:41PM

J. Marston wrote: »

"Arya ex machina"

"Plot armour"

"Fan service"

Get off TV Tropes. You might enjoy it.

Hey guys ignore all of the extremely legitimate concerns and enjoy it like I did! Ignore all these things that will make you enjoy the episode less and you will enjoy it!

What are you actually on about?

leggo · 29-04-2019 09:44PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Ah come on, it's been shown now that Melisandre foresaw Arya being the one to kill him, all the way back in Season 3. Plus Bran giving her the knife she'd use back in season 7.

There was a few potential people for who would kill the NK in the end, but GRRM has never been one for choosing the obvious option.

Yep. And her training with Brienne giving us a teaser of the killshot last season too.

Jon and Dany ARE the song of ice and fire
Sansa is likely going to lead Winterfell
Tyrion is likely going to be the Hand, or pivotal in whatever arrangement they come up with at the end.
Jaime will likely end up killing Cersei.

Of the main characters...what was Arya's payoff? It was this. And it was always going to be this way, this is what she's been training for, but nobody put the pieces together. I initially jumped around the room when he died, then was iffy and felt it was a bit random, then started to put together the foreshadowing and I love it more the more I think about it now. Brilliant.

leggo · 29-04-2019 09:47PM

Mokuba wrote: »

How has it been shown? They added a line of dialogue in this episode to do that! There was 0 set-up for it before that.

GRRM??? THERE IS NO NIGHT KING IN THE BOOKS. So you can be assured that he would not have randomly had Arya Stark kill him.

You are aware he's told them how it'll all end right? And the end of the White Walkers is a pretty big part of that ending...

Sonics2k · 29-04-2019 09:48PM

Actual thoughts on the episode.

I genuinely really, really enjoyed this one. I was constantly on edge guessing who was going to get killed off, and I'm surprised that so many did make it through.

I actually like that Jon wasn't one the to kill the NK, it would have been too predictable for that to happen.

That moment between Tyrion and Sansa was something special, a certain level of love and respect was there. For a horrible moment I thought they were going to kill themselves rather than be killed by the UD.

Mokuba · 29-04-2019 09:49PM

leggo wrote: »

You are aware he's told them how it'll all end right? And the end of the White Walkers is a pretty big part of that ending...

You are aware that Arya and Melisandre never meet in the books right? Some serious foreshadowing by GRRM that she will have 0 impact on this.

walshb · 29-04-2019 09:49PM

Anyone else get a very T2 feel off the episode? Music wise at least!

TheValeyard · 29-04-2019 09:50PM

Bonzo Delaney wrote: »

Yeah i get that ,It just seemd such an anticlimactic end to a threat that's be hovering menacingly in the background since the get go of the program.

Unless he's not dead.......few interesting Theodora going around. Particularly in relation to Bran Stark

Also,....

'What is dead may never die'

TheValeyard · 29-04-2019 09:50PM

walshb wrote: »

Anyone else get a very T2 feel off the episode? Music wise at least!

Definitely. Even the music had the same overtone of the T1000 walking out of the fire.

Sonics2k · 29-04-2019 09:51PM

Mokuba wrote: »

How has it been shown? They added a line of dialogue in this episode to do that! There was 0 set-up for it before that.

GRRM??? THERE IS NO NIGHT KING IN THE BOOKS. So you can be assured that he would not have randomly had Arya Stark kill him.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought I was posting in the "Non book readers" thread. Oh wait, I am.

That line was in season 3 and there was no set up for lots of things in the books and show. Hint, the god-damn red wedding.

nix · 29-04-2019 09:51PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Ah come on, it's been shown now that Melisandre foresaw Arya being the one to kill him, all the way back in Season 3. Plus Bran giving her the knife she'd use back in season 7.

There was a few potential people for who would kill the NK in the end, but GRRM has never been one for choosing the obvious option.

She didnt though, she just made reference to her becoming a faceless man/assassin. They just retconned it to be a reference to that in this episode. The reference from back in season 3 was just so vague they can get away with it :rolleyes:

And if she did actually forsee Arya's destiny from that far back, why did Melisandre bother with Stannis, leeching gendry, burning a little girl and countless others and then getting depressed over it not being Stannis and then getting a hard on for Jon Snow.. When she knew it was Arya all along? C'mon! :pac:

Mokuba · 29-04-2019 09:54PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Oh I'm sorry, I thought I was posting in the "Non book readers" thread. Oh wait, I am.

That line was in season 3 and there was no set up for lots of things in the books and show. Hint, the god-damn red wedding.

You're the one who brought up GRRM and his decisions.

I informed you of why your opinion is nonsensical and incorrect.

What are you talking about? There was plenty of set up for the Red Wedding. Did you watch the show? Did you watch how Roose Bolton was randomly courting favour with Tywin Lannister when he was a Stark bannerman? Telling Jaime to make sure Tywin knew Roose returned him safely? Bit wierd that wasn't it? Hardly setting up him turning on the Starks was it?

29-04-2019 09:54PM

People who found the episode difficult to see (too dark) should download some calibration clips and test patterns and use them to check their TV settings. For example:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9FgjTtNzSy0dTZwZ3p1eGVnTG8/edit?usp=sharing

Proper calibration is more in-depth and requires specialized equipment but some of the above patterns should at least get your brightness and contrast settings into the right ballpark.

It's worth noting that many tvs out of the box have a lot processing enabled by default : contrast boosters, "black enhancement" etc. These tend to render a picture which may seem more 'impressive' to the layman but can be very inaccurate and result in crushed blacks etc. Any of these 'vivid' or dynamic picture modes should generally be avoided.

Another common issue is mismatched HDMI levels, where your source (eg laptop, streaming stick etc) is sending a 0-255 signal but your TV is set to 16-235 or vice versa. This will result in a crushed or washed out image. The name of this setting varies by TV. Calibration clips will help to diagnose a mismatch.

walshb · 29-04-2019 09:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

People who found the episode difficult to see (too dark) should download some calibration clips and test patterns and use them to check their TV settings. For example:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9FgjTtNzSy0dTZwZ3p1eGVnTG8/edit?usp=sharing

Proper calibration is more in-depth and requires specialized equipment but some of the above patterns should at least get your brightness and contrast settings into the right ballpark.

It's worth noting that many tvs out of the box have a lot processing enabled by default : contrast boosters, "black enhancement" etc. These tend to render a picture which may seem more 'impressive' to the layman but can be very inaccurate and result in crushed blacks etc. Any of these 'vivid' or dynamic picture modes should generally be avoided.

Another common issue is mismatched HDMI levels, where your source (eg laptop, streaming stick etc) is sending a 0-255 signal but your TV is set to 16-235 or vice versa. This will result in a crushed or washed out image. The name of this setting varies by TV. Calibration clips will help to diagnose a mismatch.

Thanks...

I’ll make sure to have this ready to go the next time I sit down to relax in front of the telly.

shrewd · 29-04-2019 10:02PM

fash wrote: »

Annoyed by the awful military tactics (again) - front line artillery used only once! 1 line of fortifications only with soldiers in front! Misuse of cavalry. Etc.
I think it would have also been better if the following died:
Tormund, Brienne, Pod, Ser Davos, Ghost, one of the dragons, Arya or Sansa, Greyworm, Mellisande, Varys and Gilly (but not the baby). That would have been a suitably devastating episode.

haha, my thoughts exactly.
You could tell the G.R.R Martins did not influence/write that episode.

A lot of meh/wtf/predictable scenes but i enjoyed nonetheless. 6/10.

Arya killing the Night king was awesome.
The Night king surviving Drogon fire was cool and hilarious.

29-04-2019 10:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

People who found the episode difficult to see (too dark) should download some calibration clips and test patterns and use them to check their TV settings. For example:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9FgjTtNzSy0dTZwZ3p1eGVnTG8/edit?usp=sharing

Proper calibration is more in-depth and requires specialized equipment but some of the above patterns should at least get your brightness and contrast settings into the right ballpark.

It's worth noting that many tvs out of the box have a lot processing enabled by default : contrast boosters, "black enhancement" etc. These tend to render a picture which may seem more 'impressive' to the layman but can be very inaccurate and result in crushed blacks etc. Any of these 'vivid' or dynamic picture modes should generally be avoided.

Another common issue is mismatched HDMI levels, where your source (eg laptop, streaming stick etc) is sending a 0-255 signal but your TV is set to 16-235 or vice versa. This will result in a crushed or washed out image. The name of this setting varies by TV. Calibration clips will help to diagnose a mismatch.

many many people worldwide thought it was too dark.

It shouldn't require a €3000 Super AMOLED tv or extensive calibration (which is probably beyond the capabilities of a lot of tvs or laptop screens) to watch an episode correctly.

a mistake was made by the cinematographers and/or colour grader editors here.

blackcard · 29-04-2019 10:05PM

This has to be the worst ever episode, half the time you have no idea what is happening. Darkness, mist and smoke, silhouettes that you can't make out. An absolute disaster

walshb · 29-04-2019 10:06PM

Too dark and too all over the fooking shop

Was it deliberately trying to obfuscate?

Not sure how one can get enjoyment out of all the “action” when it was near impossible to follow and decipher..

blackcard · 29-04-2019 10:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

People who found the episode difficult to see (too dark) should download some calibration clips and test patterns and use them to check their TV settings. For example:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9FgjTtNzSy0dTZwZ3p1eGVnTG8/edit?usp=sharing

Proper calibration is more in-depth and requires specialized equipment but some of the above patterns should at least get your brightness and contrast settings into the right ballpark.

It's worth noting that many tvs out of the box have a lot processing enabled by default : contrast boosters, "black enhancement" etc. These tend to render a picture which may seem more 'impressive' to the layman but can be very inaccurate and result in crushed blacks etc. Any of these 'vivid' or dynamic picture modes should generally be avoided.

Another common issue is mismatched HDMI levels, where your source (eg laptop, streaming stick etc) is sending a 0-255 signal but your TV is set to 16-235 or vice versa. This will result in a crushed or washed out image. The name of this setting varies by TV. Calibration clips will help to diagnose a mismatch.

I can see every other programme on tv perfectly well so the problem is not my tv, it is whoever produced this

blackcard · 29-04-2019 10:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

People who found the episode difficult to see (too dark) should download some calibration clips and test patterns and use them to check their TV settings. For example:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9FgjTtNzSy0dTZwZ3p1eGVnTG8/edit?usp=sharing

Proper calibration is more in-depth and requires specialized equipment but some of the above patterns should at least get your brightness and contrast settings into the right ballpark.

It's worth noting that many tvs out of the box have a lot processing enabled by default : contrast boosters, "black enhancement" etc. These tend to render a picture which may seem more 'impressive' to the layman but can be very inaccurate and result in crushed blacks etc. Any of these 'vivid' or dynamic picture modes should generally be avoided.

Another common issue is mismatched HDMI levels, where your source (eg laptop, streaming stick etc) is sending a 0-255 signal but your TV is set to 16-235 or vice versa. This will result in a crushed or washed out image. The name of this setting varies by TV. Calibration clips will help to diagnose a mismatch.

I can see every other programme on tv perfectly well so the problem is not my tv, it is whoever produced this

29-04-2019 10:13PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Was good. Enjoyed it. Battle was bit hard to follow the large battles, it being so dark. Difficult to make out who was getting stabbed or chewed on. I heard the non-HD version was even worse.

Still though, loved the music. Surprised of this outcome so early in the season. Be very interesting to see how this now also plays out.

Couple of things I'm insure about..

1) Is there only one dragon left?
2) What happened to the white wolf?
3) Does the North even have an army anymore?

God knows how would one would watch that in SD. Even in HD some scenes were a tad indistinct. Other than that, a fantastic hours plus worth of telly.

Tom1991 · 29-04-2019 10:13PM

I get the night being hard to see in but **** me that was hard to see.Thousands of films have done nighttime scenes and battle scenes with better visuals.I had to turn the screen brightness up and as such lost a bit of clarity.
Helms deep done it better 20 years ago nearly.You think the tech and visual direction of today could atleast match that.

ricero · 29-04-2019 10:14PM

**** these writers they have ****ed it this season. Such a let down.

cozar · 29-04-2019 10:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

People who found the episode difficult to see (too dark) should download some calibration clips and test patterns and use them to check their TV settings. For example:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9FgjTtNzSy0dTZwZ3p1eGVnTG8/edit?usp=sharing

Proper calibration is more in-depth and requires specialized equipment but some of the above patterns should at least get your brightness and contrast settings into the right ballpark.

It's worth noting that many tvs out of the box have a lot processing enabled by default : contrast boosters, "black enhancement" etc. These tend to render a picture which may seem more 'impressive' to the layman but can be very inaccurate and result in crushed blacks etc. Any of these 'vivid' or dynamic picture modes should generally be avoided.

Another common issue is mismatched HDMI levels, where your source (eg laptop, streaming stick etc) is sending a 0-255 signal but your TV is set to 16-235 or vice versa. This will result in a crushed or washed out image. The name of this setting varies by TV. Calibration clips will help to diagnose a mismatch.

Watching this episode I just wanted a new tv really bad. Thought it was my own tv that was the problem. Didn’t matter in the end cos all main characters lived and no one else not even one little extra. Will miss the night king😩

Tazzimus · 29-04-2019 10:16PM

Everyone still giving out about a fight at night being too dark?
Is no one able to adjust the picture on their tv's?

Literally 15 seconds and it's sorted...

Degag · 29-04-2019 10:18PM

Seems to be alot of people who either think it was a rubbish episode or a fantastic episode with no faults.

Truth is it was a very good episode of television but did it have it's faults? Yes.

Most of which have been covered in detail; the one that sticks with me though is the use of the White Walkers. I mean we didn't see a single one of them in action tonight - not one apart from the Night King. That's fairly shocking when they've been bigged up for the last 8 seasons. Why not see some of them battle Jamie or The Hound or Tormund etc instead of seeing them cut down countless wights.

Don't have a huge problem with it being Arya being the one who took the NK down but thought we should have seen him in a bit of 1-1 action too - definitely with Jon.

Also, how was he immune to the dragon fire but not so to the (presumably) dragon glass. Are they not in essence the same thing?

shrewd · 29-04-2019 10:18PM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Okay.

So I can put some more coherent thoughts as to why I didnt like that. I will try to put the criticisms in chronological order.

1. Game of Thrones is character driven and no character is safe. That was the most enjoyable part of the show. You just knew that no one was safe and it added to the tension. Ned Stark. Robb Stark. Stannis. Jon Snow. Tywin Lannister. Jamie's right hand. The Hound. The Mountain. Oberyn Martell. etc. I really really enjoyed the Scene in Episode 2 as a consequence where a lot of people I expected to be imminently dead were sitting around before a battle, Man I thought, this is going to be so powerful on a rewatch when all these characters die next week.

2. ENOURMOUS inconsistencies. Hello. I'm the Dorthraki horde. 50,000 Screamers. But we've lived our life like a candle in the wind. Chaaaaaaaaaaaaaarge. *Snuff*
Hello. We are 100,000 Dead Army. We have broken in Winterfell. Yipee. We have killed EVERYONE except the 5 main characters. Sam- NO fighting skills. Alive. Check. The Onion Knight- Not a shread of combat ability. Alive- Check. Sir Brienne and Pod. On the field- survival check.

3. Sir Friend Zone. Sole Survivor of the Dothraki Horde attack. Teleports back to Winterfell ahead of the dead. Teleports into Winterfell ahead of the dead minus one horse. Teleports back over the wall. Over the 100,000 Dead to Dani to protect her from the horde who suddenly decide to obey the rules of Chivilery and attack one at a time.

4. Speaking of Chivilery. Reek, aka Theon the Peon completes his redemption character arc which no-one gives a **** about by playing matador with the Knight King. Oh look I'm out of arrows and the dead are running back and forth like duck hunt. Lets have a chat with Bran and chaaaaaarge. *Snuff*

5. Arya. I'm on the wall. Oh no. The wall is overfun and I cannot swing my broomstick. I guess I'll head inside and play the last of us. Sneak level increased to 56. I'n being chased by 50 dead but I am rescued by the knight brought back 7 times to save me so I can play Super Mario with the knight king.

6. I'm a dragon. Oh. I am also a dragon. Nice to meet you. Lets play in the Clouds and the dark. WTF is happening. Its so dark. Oh wait the night king has fallen off. Oh look dragon fire doesnt burn him. Oh look at that cheeky smile.

7. Hi, I'm Jon Snow. I'm BRILLIANT at hide and seek. Exit Dragon. Chase night king. Raises the dead- 50,000 Dothraki. 20,000 unsullied. Okay lads, one at a time. Oh my gf has started the barbacue. Great Sir Friend zone can I borrow your teleporter to somehow get past all the dead into Winterfell. Oh Look a dragon. Fire. HIDE, SEEK. Dodgeball chamption 2019.

The production was fantastic. The scene was set. Until it got more and more and more and more ridiculous.

I can suspend disbelief in a show that has dragons ffs. but that was an hour and a half cartoon that basically pissed away the 5 books and the last 7 seasons.

The Battle of the Bastards was the most realistic depiction of battle I have ever seen on a screen.

That was the most ridiculous. It was beyond bad.

:D:D

Knex* · 29-04-2019 10:19PM

I enjoyed the episode for what it was, but man, there sure were a lot of continuity errors. The kinda stuff that made me laugh or roll my eyes when watching Marvel superhero films, but it is a little disappointing to see GoT go down this route.

It's been happening for a while though, so I can't say I'm surprised. The multi-layered in depth approach has been discarded for the easier quick win approach of large scale action, CGI and ignoring of plot holes etc.

Still a fantastic show, but the past season or so is a fairly different experience to the first few.

Tazzimus · 29-04-2019 10:22PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Definitely. Even the music had the same overtone of the T1000 walking out of the fire.

Thank god that's not just me that thought so. I was expecting the finger wag when I heard that music and he was shown as grand after the dragon fire.

irishfeen · 29-04-2019 10:23PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

God knows how would one would watch that in SD. Even in HD some scenes were a tad indistinct. Other than that, a fantastic hours plus worth of telly.

The old man cut back on sky and removed the HD/Box Set package and dear Jesus Christ what an episode but it was like watching it thru a bathroom frosted window

"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 3 "The Long Night" - Spoilers post 2 forwa

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