"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 3 "The Long Night" - Spoilers post 2 forwa

RollieFingers · 29-04-2019 01:58PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Agreed ,up to the start of this season I thought the final villain would be the Night King but as soon as this 3rd episode was billed as the big battle for Winterfell it was pretty obvious that the Night King was going to be taken out to leave the last 3 episodes deal with the battle for the Iron throne.

Cersei is a 1 dimensional character I never liked and frankly has lasted about 5 series too many.

Cersei is the best character left in the show.

29-04-2019 01:58PM

Where Ayra showed some dagga hand-swap skillz before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWKRXV7gFk&feature=youtu.be&t=165

GSPfan · 29-04-2019 01:59PM

leggo wrote: »

A lot of people, as usual with these things, are criticising it because it’s not what they expected, rather than what it was. Like while I get the disappointment that can bring, it’s kinda like saying a 4-4 football match was poor because you expected two good defences: the nit your picking is with your expectations not being met, nothing to do with the quality or lack thereof of the content itself. And that’s a total fallacy if you’re going to come on here and stake your word on this being a ‘bad’ episode, though I also acknowledge the feelings can be real sometimes. I give myself an adjustment period to process, and let go of my own hopes so I can judge it on its own merits, whenever something like this happens before I start typing.

The expectations are set by the standard of the show up to now. I haven’t seen anyone criticising it against other shows, it’s criticised on the quality it has already produced and based on the previous episode allowing us all to have one last look at all our favourite characters before they kill half of them off. Which they didn’t.

Your analogy to a football match is a fun one though. Let me turn it around and give the example that you went to see a football match between Barcelona and Real Madrid expecting the worlds best players going toe to toe and instead you had a floodlight failure and the referee scoring the winner.

mrkiscool2 · 29-04-2019 02:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its an extreme extension of what people are complaining about. Jon taking on and surviving 100+ undead around him is idiotic at the very best imo.

By and large, I did enjoy the episode but its not without its glaring flaws that some people are happy to ignore, and more power to them. I do try but I wish little thing didn't bother me so much.

He didn't though? Like, when the Night King raised the dead, it was only a few moments until Drogon and Dany saved him? Then he was running towards the Godswood rather than fighting, just stabbing and killing when he had to. Hell, he even shut a gate behind him to stop himself being overrun. Of all the things that could be seen as bad and poor, this isn't one of them.

Necro · 29-04-2019 02:00PM

GSPfan wrote:

The expectations are set by the standard of the show up to now. I havenâ€™t seen anyone criticising it against other shows, itâ€™s criticised on the quality it has already produced and based on the previous episode allowing us all to have one last look at all our favourite characters before they kill half of them off. Which they didnâ€™t.

They killed off 6 characters, do you want the last three episodes to be extras wandering around aimlessly or something?

29-04-2019 02:00PM

Decent episode overall but I can't shake this slightly disappointed feeling. Is that it for the Night King? GoT really missed a brilliant opportunity for some great drama by not turning a main character in this battle and having another tightly knit main character coming face to face with them. Could you imagine Brienne trying to fight off a wight Jaime?! I can't believe they squandered that opportunity. I thought at the very least we'd see Jorah having to strike down Lyanna Mormont or one of the night's watch having to stop Eddison.

That said, I was in a rage when Ned Stark was killed off. So I should probably be used to getting subverted at this stage.

29-04-2019 02:02PM

Necro wrote: »

The darkness was clearly there because the battle took place:

A: at night

B: during winter

C: during an ice storm as it progresses.

Why do people not get this? If they made it bright and summery there would actually be more room for complaint tbh.

captain obvious there.

we are talking about the resultant print, not the setting, which is not unlike a cinema cam copy at times.

SureYWouldntYa · 29-04-2019 02:02PM

I don't know if it was intentional or because of budget constrictions

But the fact we could hardly see at times because it was dark added to the tension and drama

Those bits at the start where we could hear the undead but were seeing nothing, how could you not be sh1tting your pants at that

It was hard to make out what was going on for a lot of the ground fighting scenes too but if you're in the fight like that and a million things are happening in every direction you wouldn't be sure what was happening at all and things would seem to be blurry and happening too fast

GSPfan · 29-04-2019 02:02PM

Necro wrote: »

The darkness was clearly there because the battle took place:

A: at night

B: during winter

C: during an ice storm as it progresses.

Why do people not get this? If they made it bright and summery there would actually be more room for complaint tbh.

Sorry but there’s no way they wanted fans of the show struggling to see what was going on. And it’s great that some people found that a good thing but if twitter is trending about the lighting issues after the show airs then it wasn’t a good decision to do that if it wasn’t forced i.e. covering up bad cgi.

Necro · 29-04-2019 02:04PM

GSPfan wrote:

Sorry but thereâ€™s no way they wanted fans of the show struggling to see what was going on. And itâ€™s great that some people found that a good thing but if twitter is trending about the lighting issues after the show airs then it wasnâ€™t a good decision to do that if it wasnâ€™t forced i.e. covering up bad cgi.

Ah fcuk Twitter, it's for the eternally outraged.

The lighting gave a realistic view of a night time battlefield in the middle of winter. I dont know what the hullabaloo is.

29-04-2019 02:05PM

GSPfan wrote: »

Sorry but there’s no way they wanted fans of the show struggling to see what was going on. And it’s great that some people found that a good thing but if twitter is trending about the lighting issues after the show airs then it wasn’t a good decision to do that if it wasn’t forced i.e. covering up bad cgi.

it was so bad at times that I was expecting a Jamie Dornan cameo

LastLagoon · 29-04-2019 02:05PM

Hope Clegane bowl doesn’t happen, who gives a ****?

Next episode will be Arya ninja killing everyone in kings landing wither her superpowers.
Nrxt episode just a whole ep of Gendry , Arya and hot pie catching up and going on rowing outings.
Last ep is tormund and briennes wedding , Sam makes a very witty speech , wedding singer is Ed Sheeran , everyone shows up and a good time is had by all.

People would defend that

GSPfan · 29-04-2019 02:07PM

Necro wrote: »

They killed off 6 characters, do you want the last three episodes to be extras wandering around aimlessly or something?

How many of them were sitting in the room having a drink in the last episode? That was the group we all care about. That was the group we thought we were about to see decimated. Did any of them die? Don’t think they did.

Dravokivich · 29-04-2019 02:09PM

Necro wrote: »

The darkness was clearly there because the battle took place:

A: at night

B: during winter

C: during an ice storm as it progresses.

Why do people not get this? If they made it bright and summery there would actually be more room for complaint tbh.

They've a tendency to make it too dark to see what's happening. After all we're trying to watch a TV show. Not an audio book.

The Iron Giant · 29-04-2019 02:10PM

LastLagoon wrote: »

Hope Clegane bowl doesn’t happen, who gives a ****?

Next episode will be Arya ninja killing everyone in kings landing wither her superpowers.
Nrxt episode just a whole ep of Gendry , Arya and hot pie catching up and going on rowing outings.
Last ep is tormund and briennes wedding , Sam makes a very witty speech , wedding singer is Ed Sheeran , everyone shows up and a good time is had by all.

People would defend that

Ed Sheeran is dead in the series, pay attention.

29-04-2019 02:10PM

the writing is all very sectioned off and linear tho -

1 -> build up to Winterfell

2 -> Winterfell battle - get rid of the Wights, White Walkers, Night King etc.

3 -> Move onto Cersei with predictable Mountain vs Hound etc

Would have been more skilful to keep the story-lines going to the finale

podgemonster · 29-04-2019 02:11PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Cersei is a character I never liked and frankly has lasted about 5 series too many.
She is a very 1 dimensional character.

I disagree there Cersei has gone from a bitter wife, married to a pig in love with a dead woman to essentially the Mad Queen.delusional in her scheming at times but also ruthless. She is a scorned "pregnant" mourning mother up to her eyes in debt and in bed with a cutthroat pirate and have an undead monster by her side.

The one dimensional character was the Night King.

Dial Hard · 29-04-2019 02:11PM

GSPfan wrote:

How many of them were sitting in the room having a drink in the last episode? That was the group we all care about. That was the group we thought we were about to see decimated. Did any of them die? Donâ€™t think they did.

I genuinely think this was the writers fcuking with everyone. They set up what everyone thought was a classic "last night of the world" goodbye scene, then had all the characters survive, against all expectations. Guarantee you nearly all those people will be dead by the end of the series, if not by the end of the next episode.

LastLagoon · 29-04-2019 02:11PM

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Ed Sheeran is dead in the series, pay attention.

They can just bring him back to life with some bollocks like they have done numerous times in the show. Pay attention

29-04-2019 02:12PM

Clegane bowl would be disgusting fan service. Big bro has been dead for years. Who cares anymore. Can't get justice and revenge on someone who's basically dead.

Necro · 29-04-2019 02:13PM

GSPfan wrote:

How many of them were sitting in the room having a drink in the last episode? That was the group we all care about. That was the group we thought we were about to see decimated. Did any of them die? Donâ€™t think they did.

Well Beric Dondarrion for one. Maybe I'm mistaken but was Jorah there as well?

It doesn't matter anyways the series isn't over yet.
Theres three episodes left for people to get what they want and have everyone die.

Which is what happens in every show ever :P

dusty bin · 29-04-2019 02:13PM

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Ed Sheeran is dead in the series, pay attention.

he's not dead, just very badly burned with no eyebrows left

RollieFingers · 29-04-2019 02:13PM

Necro wrote: »

The darkness was clearly there because the battle took place:

A: at night

B: during winter

C: during an ice storm as it progresses.

Why do people not get this? If they made it bright and summery there would actually be more room for complaint tbh.

I get why it was dark, still doesn't take away from the fact that, the first half hour in particular, was difficult to make out what was happening, especially when the action was up close and fast. I'd prefer to be able to see what's happening than having to squint at the screen.

The Iron Giant · 29-04-2019 02:15PM

dusty bin wrote: »

he's not dead, just very badly burned with no eyebrows left

Ah, true. My apologies!

markodaly · 29-04-2019 02:15PM

Could have killed off a few more characters, namely Sam.

Also, Bran. What is the point of him? He fecked off on a flight with his ravens for ages to do what exactly.
Being a 3 eyed raven is pretty lame.

The Iron Giant · 29-04-2019 02:17PM

Necro wrote: »

Well Beric Dondarrion for one. Maybe I'm mistaken but was Jorah there as well?

It doesn't matter anyways the series isn't over yet.
Theres three episodes left for people to get what they want and have everyone die.

Which is what happens in every show ever :P

If everyone died in that room, people would claim it was far too predictable and telegraphed.

If not everyone died in that room, people would claim that the scene was pointless and misleading.

You can't win with people who want to feel aggrieved.

podgemonster · 29-04-2019 02:18PM

markodaly wrote: »

Could have killed off a few more characters, namely Sam.

Also, Bran. What is the point of him? He fecked off on a flight with his ravens for ages to do what exactly.
Being a 3 eyed raven is pretty lame.

The Ravens found the Night King and goaded him out into the field. He didn't show himself until then.

He not lame, the term is disabled. :pac:

NuMarvel · 29-04-2019 02:19PM

markodaly wrote: »

Could have killed off a few more characters, namely Sam.

Also, Bran. What is the point of him? He fecked off on a flight with his ravens for ages to do what exactly.
Being a 3 eyed raven is pretty lame.

Sam is safe until the end I think.

Bran's warging will presumably pay off in a later episode.

NuMarvel · 29-04-2019 02:21PM

podgemonster wrote: »

The Ravens found the Night King and goaded him out into the field. He didn't show himself until then.

He not lame, the term is disabled. :pac:

I thought that too, but Bran kept warging long after the Night King entered the fight. I think those ravens were going somewhere else.

touts · 29-04-2019 02:21PM

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Ed Sheeran is dead in the series, pay attention.

Pretty sure I saw him as one of the army of the dead. I knew it was him because he was the one hanging back and just copying the best bits of what all the others were doing and then trying to take all the credit.

"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 3 "The Long Night" - Spoilers post 2 forwa

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