"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 3 "The Long Night" - Spoilers post 2 forwa

I genuinely think they ruined that. The editing was terrible. There was a cut every 2 seconds and with everything so dim I couldn’t follow anything. It was a complete mess for the most part with some brilliant visuals along the way.
Battle of the Bastards was much better from a battle standpoint. Obviously the ending was great but that also had a bit of stupidity thrown in by Arya appearing out of nowhere.

That was some ending! Did not expect that.
The first half of the episode though, what a mess!

The Dothraki all getting wiped out at the start was very ridiculous. Multiple really annoying things about it.

1) They've been portrayed as an elite fighting force since the start. They all get killed straight away but main characters can spend minutes battling 10s of wights one on one.

2) Why did they even charge in the first place. That seemed insane. Tbh it struck me as a bit racist.
They caricatured the Dothraki as "noble savages". I don't even know what a successful charge for the Dothraki would have even been.
Yet they all supposedly willingly decided to charge to their deaths for no reason. If the white northeners had done the same thing, people would rightly question the show's writing.

Come to think of it, the entire tactics were baffling, why were any of the armies outside the wall. Can someone explain to me how the "plan" was supposed to work?

In general, they would have been better served shortening the episode. I've loved all the other battle episodes in the series. This one was way too long and drawn out. It started bordering on slapstick in terms of the number of near deaths for main characters. There must have been nearly 10 of them. And the lighting, my god. I'm glad I had the lights turned off.

The last 15 minutes does redeem the episode at least. I expected the Night King to be around till the end.

That was phenomenal, from start to finish. Leaving the darkness aside, I couldn’t have hoped for any more suspense and excitement than that. Love how the entire episode pretty much evolved around Arya and how she used every bit of her training in Braavos to get the job done in the end, between slaying the wights with the dragon glass staff, using her stealth to evade so many of them in the library and then the final kill, which they foreshadowed brilliantly in the previous season:



One of the best episodes of a television show I’ve ever seen. Very intrigued to see where they go from here, because the rest of the season could be as much as a coda after that.

Deleted User wrote: »

But hey were under someone elses leadership, its not like they got in formation then just rocked off on there own command

They did what they were good for. Dying. **** all else use, other than killing civilians.

GSPfan wrote: »

I wish I could watch tv through your eyes martyos121. Not just because you must have a cats vision, but you are able to not see the obvious flaws in the editing and or writing of that episode. Glad you liked it but it’s going to be very divisive I feel.

These sort of posts are the absolute worst.

“I didn’t like it so nobody else should. Also, you’re watching TV wrong.”

That’s pretty much what you said.

I don’t give a shiny fcuk about any flaws in the editing or writing of a major battle episode, I’ve been following the show for years to build up towards a climax like that, and halfway into the final season it arrives. At some point, development needs to slow down and shît needs to happen. You can nitpick all you want, that episode delivered for me and literally everyone else I’ve been messaging in the last hour. You’re entitled to not like it, but the part in bold is just utterly obnoxious and pointless.

Got to the end of the episode. That was thoroughly underwhelming.

vetinari wrote: »

That was some ending! Did not expect that.
The first half of the episode though, what a mess!

The Dothraki all getting wiped out at the start was very ridiculous. Multiple really annoying things about it.

1) They've been portrayed as an elite fighting force since the start. They all get killed straight away but main characters can spend minutes battling 10s of wights one on one.

2) Why did they even charge in the first place. That seemed insane. Tbh it struck me as a bit racist.
They caricatured the Dothraki as "noble savages". I don't even know what a successful charge for the Dothraki would have even been.
Yet they all supposedly willingly decided to charge to their deaths for no reason. If the white northeners had done the same thing, people would rightly question the show's writing.

Come to think of it, the entire tactics were baffling, why were any of the armies outside the wall. Can someone explain to me how the "plan" was supposed to work?

In general, they would have been better served shortening the episode. I've loved all the other battle episodes in the series. This one was way too long and drawn out. It started bordering on slapstick in terms of the number of near deaths for main characters. There must have been nearly 10 of them. And the lighting, my god. I'm glad I had the lights turned off.

The last 15 minutes does redeem the episode at least. I expected the Night King to be around till the end.

It has been said many times before that you cannot beat a Dothraki horde in open ground. Did you expect them to fight a close quarters battle? Then the complaint would have been they should have been on open ground.

As for the lighting of the episode, yes it was dark but I suppose it was meant to increase the viewers disorientation as well. Remember other than the wildlings and the men from the Night Watch, no-one has fought the dead before. So you are meant to experience what they are, not sure what you are seeing but hearing the sounds of fighting and people dying.

As for the rest of the season, expect all three to disappoint fans as they would have built it up for so long. It may have been better to watch the whole series in one go instead of having to wait 2 years from the last season and having all that build up. For some with all that excitement it was going to lead to not having their expectations met.

For an TV episode that was epic. This was a TV episode, not a movie you watched and shown on TV, but a television episode. Also, looking at the preview,

Also, was that Maester Luwin causing havoc in the crypts?

Annoyed by the awful military tactics (again) - front line artillery used only once! 1 line of fortifications only with soldiers in front! Misuse of cavalry. Etc.
I think it would have also been better if the following died:
Tormund, Brienne, Pod, Ser Davos, Ghost, one of the dragons, Arya or Sansa, Greyworm, Mellisande, Varys and Gilly (but not the baby). That would have been a suitably devastating episode.

Writers room:
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
No don't do it.

They chickened out. They couldn't kill off the main characters. They should have at least let it go to the fourth episode with a conversation/dream sequence between Bran and the Night King and then show one of the night walkers tear off it's face to show Arya and then have her kill the Night King.