Avengers: Endgame [ SPOILERS FROM POST 613 ]

27-04-2019 09:40PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

The fact that posters are implying, in some instances just stating, that having powerful female characters, having 3 on screen at the same time with no men during a battle scene, or having Wakandans at all is some form of tokenism that they are gracious enough to be ok with really says a lot.

Everyone is actually saying the opposite

pjohnson · 27-04-2019 10:07PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Again, I don’t disagree with most of that (though I found the group shots in Avengers and AoU just as labored), but my point is that the need some feel to comment on it far outweighs the ‘bugging’ the 10 second slot caused or deserved.

I don’t remember a consistent complaint after the original Spiderman movie being that flag scene. People just accepted it as 10 seconds of forced pandering during a movie they enjoyed and moved on, whereas in our current climate and because it is a group of women it looks like many feel the need to push back on it.

And you feel the need to repeatedly try to complain that people have issue solely because it was women involved it was just jarring. Simple as.

bur · 27-04-2019 10:12PM

Slydice wrote: »

USA money is on the board!

Day 3: $643 Million
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2019.htm

Now at position 3 on the 2019 board:
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?view2=worldwide&yr=2019&p=.htm

All-Time Worldwide. Position 131:
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/?pagenum=2&p=.htm

Can it do a billion in one weekend? :eek: Is that even possible?

Yes it's going to make all the money. who cares?

AMKC · 27-04-2019 10:23PM

kerplun k wrote: »

I think it got 2.

Your right it did. It deserved a few more seasons.

flazio wrote: »

It did and ended on an annoying cliff hanger.
They didn't even print a follow-up comic.

Yes your right. Been a while since I seen it but always looked forward to each episode. It deserved more seasons.

santana75 · 28-04-2019 12:00AM

Have to say, I really enjoyed that. My expectations going into this movie though where rock bottom, right down in the bargain basememt. Had been burned too many times in the past by the Marvel hype machine(Blank panther and captain marvel where just awful films). This time I wasnt getting sucked in by inflated RT scores or fan boys losing the run of themselves on twitter. But 10mins into this I knew it was actually gonna be enjoyable. 3 hours flew by which says a lot about how well paced and well made it was. And it has to be said, even just from a logistical point of view, the scale of the film making has to be respected. Best part for me though was Thor as Jeff Lebowski. Hilarious. Actually couldve watched an entire film with just Thor as The dude, nothing else required. Well maybe Jeff Goldblum as the grand master thrown into the mix aswell.
Didnt really buy into the faux emotional stuff(there were people crying in the cinema which i have to say I rolled my eyes at). But it was a proper good adventure all the same.
For my money Spiderman into the spider verse is still the best super hero film ever made, and Endgame is not up to that standard, but its still a really enjoyable movie which by all reports has had the biggest opening weekend in history.

Agent Coulson · 28-04-2019 01:04AM

bur wrote: »

Yes it's going to make all the money. who cares?

Plenty care.

You don't and that's fine but there are those who do.

So there you go plenty care.

Mokuba · 28-04-2019 01:16AM

The time travel in this movie is absolutely terribly done. (The rules or changes or alternate realities or whatever theory somebody comes up with to explain the hokeyness). Holes all over the place.

Power levels are way off in this movie. Thanos with no gauntlet is almost as strong as Thanos with the gauntlet. Thor managed to almost kill a full infinity gauntlet Thanos with one superpowered weapon, yet with 2 superpowered weapons he gets destroyed by a Thanos with no gauntlet? Why, because he is fat now? Not having that.

Thor being made fat is something which wore thin very quickly after the initial joke. They took a character with a great and powerful arc in Infinity War and turned him into a joke.

Captain Marvel is ridiculously overpowered.

"Good" Nebula sent one of Natasha or Clint to their deaths. Convenient that they sent the only two people who actually love each other to Vormir. Imagine if they had sent Rocket and Ant-Man, might have been awkward.

Why did Gamora run away? Regardless of her not knowing Quill, very odd that she would run off without spending more time with good Nebula!

Overheal · 28-04-2019 01:19AM

Saw it again in IMAX 3D in a packed showing so the visuals and the atmosphere were all very much better. Theater roared at mjolnir, and several points during the last battle. Lot of sniffles at the end.

PTH2009 · 28-04-2019 02:39AM

Was cool knowing the battle of New York was being fought by others off camera with the ancient one fighting the aliens

pjohnson · 28-04-2019 08:14AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_mhWxOjxp4

Silvestri's score from the Avengers Assemble moment.

irish_stevo815 · 28-04-2019 09:02AM

Seen this yesterday evening and absolutely loved it.

What an emotional rollercoaster, I'm actually still not able to comprehend what I seen.

Went my partner and 13 year old daughter and it was the first time where all 3 of us were in tears watching a movie together. Just shows how invested you can get with these characters over the years.

The final battle scene was just mind blowing, I could not believe what I was seeing at times. Cap wielding Moljnier, "Avengers.....Assemble ", even seeing Spidey flying through the air behind Moljnier while holding onto the gauntlet was just a Wow moment for me.

When all the portals opened up to bring the snapped characters it was perfectly done too. We knew they were coming back but it worked so well this way.

In regards to Thanos, I think 2014 Thanos was a lot more menacing when he arrived at Avengers HQ as he was just about pure destruction rather than thinking he was doing right by restoring balance to the universe.

I will definitely need to watch it again, soon.

NuMarvel · 28-04-2019 09:30AM

Mokuba wrote: »

Power levels are way off in this movie. Thanos with no gauntlet is almost as strong as Thanos with the gauntlet. Thor managed to almost kill a full infinity gauntlet Thanos with one superpowered weapon, yet with 2 superpowered weapons he gets destroyed by a Thanos with no gauntlet? Why, because he is fat now? Not having that.

Thor had the element of surprise in IW, whereas Thanos was ready and waiting in Endgame. And don't forget that Thanos gave the Hulk the mother of all beat downs at the start of Infinity War. He can hold his own against the superpowered, even without using the stones.

Mokuba · 28-04-2019 09:39AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

Thor had the element of surprise in IW, whereas Thanos was ready and waiting in Endgame. And don't forget that Thanos gave the Hulk the mother of all beat downs at the start of Infinity War. He can hold his own against the superpowered, even without using the stones.

Thanos least had a stone when he did that.

And that was the same Hulk that lost to Thor with no weapon in the arena. Thor beat Hulk with a stick in Ragnarok.

No way you can realistically have Thor with two super-weapons get so easily defeated by Thanos with no stones, based on what we have already seen. Think they buffed and nerfed power levels in this movie with little regard for what was already established.

Mitch Connor · 28-04-2019 09:41AM

Mokuba wrote: »

Thanos least had a stone when he did that.

And that was the same Hulk that lost to Thor with no weapon in the arena. Thor beat Hulk with a stick in Ragnarok.

No way you can realistically have Thor with two super-weapons get so easily defeated by Thanos with no stones, based on what we have already seen. Think they buffed and nerfed power levels in this movie with little regard for what was already established.

Fat ass thor that hasn't be training or fighting, for seemingly 5 years.

This was not peak thor.

Mokuba · 28-04-2019 09:44AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Fat ass thor that hasn't be training or fighting, for seemingly 5 years.

This was not peak thor.

He had 2 of the most super-powered weapons in the universe vs no gauntlet. I don't care if he was 50 stone it was still a fight he should have won.

Mitch Connor · 28-04-2019 10:01AM

Mokuba wrote: »

He had 2 of the most super-powered weapons in the universe vs no gauntlet. I don't care if he was 50 stone it was still a fight he should have won.

Do stones make you stronger? They give powers, but do they make the holder more physically powerful?

Was Thanos kicking ass in IW not down to him being physically powerful and quick, abd then able to counter strange, for example, with counter powers.

Realestate · 28-04-2019 10:08AM

Don't forget Thanos has his own weapon which looked very powerful. Isn't Thanos supposed to be one of the most powerful beings in the universe even without the gauntlet?

Either way it would have been quite anti climactic if Thanos was easily defeated in the final battle scene.

Penn · 28-04-2019 10:14AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Do stones make you stronger? They give powers, but do they make the holder more physically powerful?

Was Thanos kicking ass in IW not down to him being physically powerful and quick, abd then able to counter strange, for example, with counter powers.

Thanos is powerful without the stones, and in the fight against Hulk in IW, he wasn't using the power stone (they established throughout the film that Thanos has to close his fist to activate/use any of the stones in the gauntlet, and they glow when he does). The power stone never glows when Thanos fights Hulk. Thanos is just that powerful.

Thor had both his hammers, and there were numerous shots of Thanos being hit and knocked about by both of them (whether by Thor or Cap), but in parts where Thanos is better able to defend himself, he does so.

I don't disagree some variances of people's powers and abilities were used, but I don't think any of them were so out of place as to be inexplicable.

NuMarvel · 28-04-2019 10:18AM

Mokuba wrote: »

Thanos least had a stone when he did that.

And that was the same Hulk that lost to Thor with no weapon in the arena. Thor beat Hulk with a stick in Ragnarok.

No way you can realistically have Thor with two super-weapons get so easily defeated by Thanos with no stones, based on what we have already seen. Think they buffed and nerfed power levels in this movie with little regard for what was already established.

Thanos had a stone in his fight against the Hulk, but didn't use it.

And I think what we've seen before makes Thanos's power levels plausible.

In IW, we had a super amped, just reborn Thor, out for vengeance, making a rapid, surprise attack against a Thanos who was just after a fight against Iron Man, Dr Strange, Spider-Man and the Guardians.

In Endgame, we had a PTSD suffering, out of shape Thor up against a battle ready, rested Thanos, who already knew from Nebula's files that Thor was the one who would kill a different version him.

In those circumstances, I think it's plausible that Thanos would hold his against Thor.

NuMarvel · 28-04-2019 10:23AM

Penn wrote: »

Thanos is powerful without the stones, and in the fight against Hulk in IW, he wasn't using the power stone (they established throughout the film that Thanos has to close his fist to activate/use any of the stones in the gauntlet, and they glow when he does). The power stone never glows when Thanos fights Hulk. Thanos is just that powerful.

Thor had both his hammers, and there were numerous shots of Thanos being hit and knocked about by both of them (whether by Thor or Cap), but in parts where Thanos is better able to defend himself, he does so.

I don't disagree some variances of people's powers and abilities were used, but I don't think any of them were so out of place as to be inexplicable.

The bit I rolled my eyes at was Thanos being able to spin his blade fast enough to deflect multiple energy beams traveling at the speed of light. But I can forgive a bit of licence with the laws of physics here and there.

RayCun · 28-04-2019 10:27AM

Could see Thanos holding his own against Thor, but not against Thor, Captain America and Iron Man at once. Would have made more sense if his lieutenants were in the fight too.

I mean, obviously, these are fictional characters, they are as strong as the plot requires. But sometimes the thumb on the scales is a little too visible, it's a little too clear that certain moments are being set up.

Gbear · 28-04-2019 10:51AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

The bit I rolled my eyes at was Thanos being able to spin his blade fast enough to deflect multiple energy beams traveling at the speed of light. But I can forgive a bit of licence with the laws of physics here and there.

I dunno was that him spinning it, or was it just the blade itself spinning.

Penn wrote: »

Thanos is powerful without the stones, and in the fight against Hulk in IW, he wasn't using the power stone (they established throughout the film that Thanos has to close his fist to activate/use any of the stones in the gauntlet, and they glow when he does).
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I don't disagree some variances of people's powers and abilities were used, but I don't think any of them were so out of place as to be inexplicable.

Thanos chucks off his armour and goes weaponless for the rest of Infinity War once he has the space and power stones. They weren't for show. He just became overconfident (and was within a whisker of paying for it on Titan).

Also, I think he had a coherent belief system in the first film, where he had a plan and was sticking to it. He didn't need to kill any of the Avengers because they were so vastly dwarfed by his power, he could just toss them aside, and hold the moral high ground (in his eyes) when he did the snap, leaving it to chance as to whether they survived.

But in End Game his sheer irrationality is exposed once his plan is a proven failure and he starts moving goalposts. There's a mad gleam in his eye in the second film and he becomes wild and angry and is fully suited up with armour and weaponry that seems to be roughly on a par with Thor's weapons, and chops up Cap's vibranium shield like it's made of plywood.

I thought it was handled excellently.

Tazzimus · 28-04-2019 10:51AM

Seen it last night, ho Lee chit.
Great end to the saga and very well done, couldn't help but smile when Mjolnir flew back into caps hand.

Regarding power levels, Thor was massively out of shape and depressed, likely ****ing around with his power level.

For Mjolnir and Stormbreaker, the weapons themselves aren't as powerful as people seem to think, they're a focal point for Thor's power, plus the enchantment on Mjolnir giving whoever is worthy his power as well.

Captain Marvel is also supposed to be overpowered, she's basically Marvel's Superman.

Uncharted · 28-04-2019 11:01AM

Tazzimus wrote: »

Regarding power levels, Thor was massively out of shape and depressed, likely ****ing around with his power level.

So,ancient gods,who have lived for millenia,are at a massive loss of power,because they gain 4or5 stone weight? Nah. No chance.

It was a lazy plot device to install Iron man front and centre as the saviour. (Which was inevitable,I don't know anyone who didn't already know the outcome for Stark prior to seeing AE).

As an aside,the "sad,meloncolic,fat " Thor schtick was also waay overdone imo. It was humorous for 5minutes,but was tiresome after that.

pjohnson · 28-04-2019 11:04AM

Thor is the power not his weapons. Odin told him Mjolnir was only a supplement Thor could go hand to hand with Hela/her army without any weapon and still use his lightning.

Stormbreaker is stronger than Mjolnir and can channel the Bifrost but again it is Thor himself that provides the vast majority of the power.

pjohnson · 28-04-2019 11:08AM

Uncharted wrote: »

So,ancient gods,who have lived for millenia,are at a massive loss of power,because they gain 4or5 stone weight? Nah. No chance.

Thor himself may have been around for millenia but he himself for almost all of that time had absolutely no idea he could even channel lighting without Mjolnir. Thor in reality was nowhere near that experienced with regards controlling his own natural power levels. He spent most of his time over-relying on Mjolnir.

Gbear · 28-04-2019 11:09AM

I saw it last night and while I don't want to oversell what is still ostensibly a silly superhero film, I kinda want to as well.

I don't see that many films in the cinema. It's pretty much just blockbusters.
With that caveat, it was probably the most riveting, thrilling and enjoyable film I've ever seen at the cinema.

Nobody's getting oscars for this, because that's just the nature of the beast, but I thought by any standards, the performances were brilliant. To a large extent you don't really get the emotional payoff in Infinity War, because it's just happened. It's this film where I think that is all payed off. In the back of your mind you know everything is going to be "fine", but seeing the characters live through their new reality was really compelling, and Scarlett Johansson, Chris Evans, Jeremy Renner and RDJ really sold it fantastically. Their performances as straight characters were brilliant.

Josh Brolin was brilliant as well, and not only did he (and the CGI team), seamlessly fit a giant purple man into a live action film, but he managed to do it in a way that seemed subtly distinct from the one we saw last time.

Hemsworth was a little different, but no less brilliant in my eyes. Thinking about it, I'd love to see him play a surfing champion who loses a leg or something when he's in the prime of his life, and the film is a dark comedy about him coming to terms with that, and his fight with his aimless hopelessness and struggles with alcoholism and substance abuse. He was funny, but I thought his performance brought a vulnerability that elevated it well above just silliness for silliness's sake.

In general, I think the film was better acted, better shot, better written, funnier, more emotionally striking and more thrilling than Infinity War, and I really liked Infinity War.

I don't think you can give films an objective relative score on the same criteria, but for what this film was trying to achieve, and on a technical and artistic basis, it was essentially perfect in my eyes. I eyerolled a bit at the girl power scene, but I think that was literally the only foible and I didn't actually mind it that much.

Mokuba · 28-04-2019 11:14AM

And any comment on how convenient it was that the only two characters who loved each other ended up going to Vormir? What if any other two characters had gone. Was it just chance? A 45/1 chance by the way.

And it was 'good Nebula' who knowingly sentenced one of them to death. Maybe she observed that they loved each other and recommended they go together. In Infinity War she says:

"Gamora... He took her to Vormir, he came back with the Soul Stone, she didn't"

She displays an understanding that something would have had to take place for him to get it and says nothing to anyone. Because when Clint and Nat rock up, the last thing they are expecting is this little twist.

Uncharted · 28-04-2019 11:17AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Thor himself may have been around for millenia but he himself for almost all of that time had absolutely no idea he could even channel lighting without Mjolnir. Thor in reality was nowhere near that experienced with regards controlling his own natural power levels. He spent most of his time over-relying on Mjolnir.

That's not really my point though. Regardless of what Thor "knew" about his powers, they still existed within him.

My point is that this movie set him up as a secondary character,(obviously to put Stark in the limelight for his swansong) predominately due to his obesity,and booze issue.

A beer belly and a foggy beer brain turned Thor into a far far lesser superhero???

I mean,is that not just lame??

Anyway,I'm not here to take away from anyone else's enjoyment of the movie. I enjoyed it myself but it just seemed ever so slightly ham fisted with some plot devices.

Each to their own.

Ferajacka · 28-04-2019 11:20AM

In the thanos power versus Thor debate - Thanos is a Hardy b*stard and was in his prime coming from the past. Thor is out of shape and messed up. Also if Thor was at his best he still would not beat Thanos on his own he came close IW with help.

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