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Two-thirds of people say Ireland is too politically correct

  • 27-04-2019 02:23PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭


    Could we be seeing the first straws in the wind of a backlash against a more progressive Ireland? Not everyone in Ireland seems equally welcoming of recent societal and cultural developments, suggests research published today by Behaviour & Attitudes.


    Fifty four per cent of 1,000 adults surveyed agreed that they felt pride in the result of the marriage equality referendum; but 46 per cent felt “neutral” or had “no pride” in it. By contrast, 62 per cent of voters voted in favour of the marriage equality referendum in 2015.


    Forty seven per cent agreed with the statement that we are “losing Irish identity in face of foreign national influx”. Sixty one per cent of people agreed “everything is changing too quickly”. Forty five per cent of men felt “the #metoo movement had gone too far,” along with 38 per cent of women. And 69 per cent agreed with the statement that “society is too politically correct”.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/two-thirds-of-people-say-ireland-is-too-politically-correct-1.3871647

    This is what happens when you try to control thought and language. People will push back. It happens the world over its helped in a small way to the rise of populist right wing politicians.


    Even here in the last presidential election yer man Peter casey mentions something about travellers and people love him for it. Because genuine criticism of travellers (or any protected group) is taboo and shamed. People see that and gravitate towards those people.


    When everything is racist and sexist those words lose all meaning and people stop giving a damn.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    The push-back has already started and will continue to grow in momentum.
    When the government wont engage with people, the people will look for representatives who will.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    We were warned about this

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Two thirds of people are fucking idiots.

    (sorry if that's not politically correct)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    Two thirds of people are fucking idiots.

    (sorry if that's not politically correct)

    Thanks for your input, Minister.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    Two thirds of people are fucking idiots.

    (sorry if that's not politically correct)

    But not you, of course.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Two thirds of people are fucking idiots.

    (sorry if that's not politically correct)

    Fortunately your opinion doesn’t matter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Fortunately your opinion doesn’t matter.

    If it didn't matter, you wouldn't have responded to it. It matters enormously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Two thirds of people are fucking idiots.

    (sorry if that's not politically correct)

    They probably are, but it's more of a coincidence than anything else.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,070 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Changing too quickly? Catching up with the twentieth century more like.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    kneemos wrote: »
    Changing too quickly? Catching up with the twentieth century more like.

    The 1900s?
    We're not that bad.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    are you happy with the ssm and abortion referenda results?

    do you think ireland is too politically correct?

    these are 2 completely different and unrelated issues.

    you could answer yes to both


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34 Elmer Jones


    The entire world is too politically correct.

    Political correctness is a just another means of trying to control how people think and I think the public are clever enough to realise that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    In many ways, thoughtcrime already exists


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Your Face wrote: »
    The push-back has already started and will continue to grow in momentum.
    When the government wont engage with people, the people will look for representatives who will.

    Political correctness in this country is not driven by the government but the government have bowed to the lobbying of media, academia and various activists

    The media roasted Peter casey, not government


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,223 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I predict there will be a lot of dumb stuff posted in this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,070 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Political correctness in this country is not driven by the government but the government have bowed to the lobbying of media, academia and various activists

    The media roasted Peter casey, not government


    Did they? The media will latch onto anything controversial.

    The little I noticed about it was also asking similar questions to Casey.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Mad_maxx wrote:
    The media roasted Peter casey, not government


    Didn't Leo suggest people should not vote for Casey?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Didn't Leo suggest people should not vote for Casey?

    Leo has an arrangement with the media, he backs their agenda and they provide him with soft coverage of the big stuff


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Political correctness is nothing but disliking something that goes against what you believe. It's nonsense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Political correctness in this country is not driven by the government but the government have bowed to the lobbying of media, academia and various activists

    The media roasted Peter casey, not government

    Maybe, maybe not. My point is that the people think their concerns are not being addressed by the government.
    They are being ignored, so they look to the likes of Casey and whomever.

    On Casey, it was a dynamic of that campaign, that members of government roasted him as they were towing the party PC line as did their media mouthpieces.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Two thirds of people are fucking idiots.

    (sorry if that's not politically correct)
    Fortunately your opinion doesn’t matter.

    I might not agree with the comment, but vilifying the posters opinion without any form of argument to the contrary goes against the whole point of a debate and shouldn't be allowed here.

    Political correctness is a disease, it makes many important opinions taboo because they are intolerable to a significant minority. Electioneering is ironically all about converting multiple labelled minorities into voting blocks, collect enough of them and you pass the number needed to win a seat.

    Of course we shouldn't go the American route and allow freedom of all speech without any restriction.

    For example, incitement to hatred for example is a crime and should be so. You can point our realities, or have hard discussions however, without inciting hatred.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,070 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Your Face wrote: »
    Maybe, maybe not. My point is that the people think their concerns are not being addressed by the government.
    They are being ignored, so they look to the likes of Casey and whomever.

    On Casey, it was a dynamic of that campaign, that members of government roasted him as they were towing the party PC line as did their media mouthpieces.


    Personally I'd be glad our Government didn't ostracise any group in society.

    Particularly when it's a cynical vote catching gimmick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭jay1988


    Arghus wrote: »
    I predict there will be a lot of dumb stuff posted in this thread.

    This post being the start of it obviously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,953 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Is the full survey online anywhere? It would be interesting to see the age breakdown


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,070 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Is the full survey online anywhere? It would be interesting to see the age breakdown


    My first thought too. Presumably it was a mix.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭McDave


    I think PC overreached long ago. It was one of the reasons Clinton fell to Trump. Many in the liberal spectrum there are questioning why this has happened. Some are fingering the take over of identity politics.

    PC here is a decade or so behind US and UK peaks. But is no less sanctimonious for it. For me, the high water mark was Colm O’Gorman’s claim on the radio that the gay marriage referendum was in fact about the whole liberal agenda. Tin ear permissive liberals have been giving it socks ever since. For instance:

    1. An early low profile overreach was Enda Kenny’s ‘recognition’ of Travellers as an ethnic group, without any evidentiary basis whatsoever.

    2. While I enthusiastically supported ‘repeal the eighth’, I felt the heart repeal logo was an affront. After all abortion is an unfortunate, messy business. It shouldn’t have been ‘marketed’ like a Valentine’s day box of chocolates. But the Repeal campaign used that heart logo extensively without it seems giving it a moment’s thought.

    3. The horrified but confident reaction of the water cooler ‘liberal’ media to the vote for Casey was an indication of how much in control of social debate the liberati thought they were. I think this is where the backlash, which one of the IT correspondents mentioned today, actually had a chance to crystallise.

    4. A couple of weeks back the SB Post had an interesting feature on immigrants in Ireland, lauding the extent to which integration takes place here. But without giving a moments thought to what the public reaction might be to the high proportions of, say, Muslim immigration experienced in some other European countries, and the serious problems arising from it.

    What is most striking for me is not just the emergence of these issues in national debate, but the shrill, censorious attitude of many of those promoting ‘liberal’ solutions, with characterisations of ‘racist’, ‘sexist’, ‘homophobe’, ‘nationalist’, ‘anti-semite’, etc. being readily thrown at anyone demurring from the hardline ideological standpoints emerging as the new liberal ‘consensus’ of a metropolitan, multicultural Ireland, pioneered by new leftist, ‘liberal’, and feminist clergies.

    The IT has unexpectedly struck a raw nerve. I think a backlash is indeed in the offing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    McDave wrote: »
    The IT has unexpectedly struck a raw nerve. I think a backlash is indeed in the offing.

    Where is the backlash coming from, a non-existent far-right party? Perhaps Gemma O'D? No present political party in the Dail supports your views.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭McDave


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Where is the backlash coming from, a non-existent far-right party? Perhaps Gemma O'D? No present political party in the Dail supports your views.

    Oh, you know you probably won’t see it coming. ;)

    A bit like the Casey result. And the 69% IT poll figure itself.

    I’m guessing inividualistic permissive liberalism will be its own undoing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    McDave wrote: »
    Oh, you know you probably won’t see it coming. ;)

    A bit like the Casey result. And the 69% IT poll figure itself.

    I’m guessing inividualistic permissive liberalism will be its own undoing.

    "inividualistic permissive liberalism ", that has nothing to do with travellers, muslims or immigrants who themselves may not all be of the "liberal mind"!

    Well then, the 69% IT figure is hypocritical as the vast majority of the electorate have voted against the populist ideas you listed. Unless Casey or Gemma forms something of a movement, who else is there?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭Squatter


    Arghus wrote: »
    I predict there will be a lot of dumb stuff posted in this thread.

    Fair dues to you for getting the ball rolling - took guts!


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