Cycle Lanes in Phoenix Park

beauf · 25-04-2019 04:55PM

cgcsb wrote: »

You make it sound like there is no public transport at all outside the park.

I just think people will park on all the local roads (residential areas) around the park.

Spanish Eyes · 25-04-2019 04:56PM

beauf wrote: »

You're going to have to get used to the idea of cycle lanes and checking for them.
Park or anywhere.

Ahem, that sounds very like cyclist arrogance

The point has been made that footpaths are close to the road, it is where most people walking expect them to be. Cycling on the inner path would be safer for everyone really.

But anyway, back to the vehicular traffic, that's the REAL bogey IMV.

beauf · 25-04-2019 04:56PM

lawred2 wrote: »

right...

So the park becomes an amenity for those that live in Castleknock and Parkgate Street?

What about everyone else?

cgcsb suggests we all use public transport or walk, cycle.

cgcsb · 25-04-2019 04:56PM

Hurrache wrote: »

So like I asked, how does it work in the scenario I proposed to you? I'll loan you the bikes, kids and dogs if you need to try it.

Much like Merrion Square, Stephen's Green, Mountjoy Square, St Patrick's Park and other parks with no parking or car access, you make your own arrangements to get there. You can bring bikes on rail at off peak times, you could leave the bikes at home one day even, or you could cycle them there.

Hurrache · 25-04-2019 04:56PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Why?

I am very used to walking in the Pheeno, but with headphones in and off in a dream I very often start in the cycle lane because it is innate, that is where I expect the pedestrian footpath to be!

Because you're proposing to put pedestrians and kids between the usability of the park itself and moving cars. If you have issues now wait until you see what it's like to have kids and pets constantly run from the footpath into the trees and park across you.

What footpath or roadway did you ever expect to find the pedestrian footpath between cycle lane and roadway?

beauf · 25-04-2019 04:57PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Ahem, that sounds very like cyclist arrogance

The point has been made that footpaths are close to the road, it is where most people walking expect them to be. Cycling on the inner path would be safer for everyone really.

But anyway, back to the vehicular traffic, that's the REAL bogey IMV.

I'm just saying its 2019 cycle lanes are a thing. Its not the 80s.

cgcsb · 25-04-2019 04:58PM

beauf wrote: »

I just think people will park on all the local roads (residential areas) around the park.

Pretty much all around the park is already pay and display + permits

lawred2 · 25-04-2019 04:58PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Because you're proposing to put pedestrians and kids between the usability of the park itself and moving cars. If you have issues now wait until you see what it's like to have kids and pets constantly run from the footpath into the trees and park across you.

What footpath or roadway did you ever expect to find the pedestrian footpath between cycle lane and roadway?

but this is how the park in effect works right now

Hurrache · 25-04-2019 04:59PM

cgcsb wrote: »

Much like Merrion Square, Stephen's Green, Mountjoy Square, St Patrick's Park and other parks with no parking or car access, you make your own arrangements to get there. You can bring bikes on rail at off peak times, you could leave the bikes at home one day even, or you could cycle them there.

So we only visit the park by rail, at off peak times. Right so.

All those parks you mention have parking.

beauf · 25-04-2019 05:00PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Because you're proposing to put pedestrians and kids between the usability of the park itself and moving cars. If you have issues now wait until you see what it's like to have kids and pets constantly run from the footpath into the trees and park across you.

What footpath or roadway did you ever expect to find the pedestrian footpath between cycle lane and roadway?

In fairness if there is an event on like bloom. The only way to cycle is on the inner path which which root infested. The cycle path is a non runner (lol). Or just avoid the park.

Hurrache · 25-04-2019 05:01PM

beauf wrote: »

In fairness if there is an event on like bloom. The only way to cycle is on the inner path which which root infested. The cycle path is a non runner (lol). Or just avoid the park.

Don't they stop you from cycling on the lanes anyway?

beauf · 25-04-2019 05:01PM

cgcsb wrote: »

Pretty much all around the park is already pay and display + permits

Then job done. No parking within 2 miles of the park. Sorted.

beauf · 25-04-2019 05:01PM

Has any one read the plans.

I've loving the cable car.

Tombo2001 · 25-04-2019 05:02PM

buffalo wrote: »

You've never been to the Park during Bloom so.

I have.

Dublin City Marathon is far more disruptive in terms of access.

Would you shut that down?

beauf · 25-04-2019 05:02PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Don't they stop you from cycling on the lanes anyway?

Sometimes. They try....:D

cgcsb · 25-04-2019 05:03PM

Hurrache wrote: »

So we only visit the park by rail, at off peak times. Right so.

Nope, you could visit any time in such a scenario, you would just have to be better organised about what you bring and how you travel.

Hurrache wrote: »

All those parks you mention have parking.

There isn't, there's nearby parking that is pay and display, often v expensive, and often there are no spaces.

cgcsb · 25-04-2019 05:05PM

beauf wrote: »

Then job done. No parking within 2 miles of the park. Sorted.

Only if you don't understand the traffic evaporation concept. Walking 2 miles(are you an american by chance?) defeats the purpose of taking the car entirely.

Hurrache · 25-04-2019 05:08PM

cgcsb wrote: »

Nope, you could visit any time in such a scenario, you would just have to be better organised about what you bring and how you travel.

There isn't, there's nearby parking that is pay and display, often v expensive, and often there are no spaces.

No, I can't, you don't understand that, and your suggestions are getting nonsensical.

You can park right outside all those parks. Because the spaces may be in use already doesn't mean they don't exist.

Spanish Eyes · 25-04-2019 05:11PM

A connection (bridge) between the War Memorial Gardens and the Park was mooted some time ago. Great idea. Often walk from Chapelizod down to Memorial Gardens (lovely walk BTW and great to see the rowing clubs on the water), but when you get to Islandbridge, you have to go round the houses, and cross a busy road (or two!) to get up the million steps towards the Wellington Monument.

Anyway, the current plans are quite ambitious for connecting the two. Hope it happens.

Apologies for the cynicism but will probably happen in 2040 or something.

Someone above mentioned restoring the Silver Bridge from Waterstown to Guinness property in Castleknock. I know it well. The problem is that the land on which access to bridge is, is privately owned. Not much happening despite local Castleknock and Palmerstown groups advocating it.

So much could be done.

buffalo · 25-04-2019 05:13PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I have.

Dublin City Marathon is far more disruptive in terms of access.

Would you shut that down?

The marathon doesn't close any of the cycle tracks or create complete gridlock in the park as far as I'm aware? It gives the Park over to the public for the morning and creates a lovely atmosphere. I'm not sure what comparison you're making?

beauf · 25-04-2019 05:17PM

buffalo wrote: »

The marathon doesn't close any of the cycle tracks or create complete gridlock in the park as far as I'm aware? It gives the Park over to the public for the morning and creates a lovely atmosphere. I'm not sure what comparison you're making?

Depends where you are. For many it cuts off access to the park and half the city.

Hurrache · 25-04-2019 05:18PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Someone above mentioned restoring the Silver Bridge from Waterstown to Guinness property in Castleknock. I know it well. The problem is that the land on which access to bridge is, is privately owned. Not much happening despite local Castleknock and Palmerstown groups advocating it.

So much could be done.

I think that was sold recently by the Guinness Estate.

lawred2 · 25-04-2019 05:19PM

beauf wrote: »

Has any one read the plans.

I've loving the cable car.

I haven't. Can you link me up?

Spanish Eyes · 25-04-2019 05:22PM

Hurrache wrote: »

I think that was sold recently by the Guinness Estate.

Really? Any further info as to who Guinness sold it to? thanks.

There is no crossing of the Liffey between Chapelizod Bridge and Lucan at the moment, apart from the M50, but pedestrians and cyclists are banned from that as you know.

beauf · 25-04-2019 05:26PM

cgcsb wrote: »

Only if you don't understand the traffic evaporation concept. Walking 2 miles(are you an american by chance?) defeats the purpose of taking the car entirely.

isn't that the intent. Make so it pointless to use the car to get to the park, or travel through it. Certainly the OPW want no cars in the park. They just don't have any logic to how they go about it.

When they closed the main road in the park, the traffic evaporated, in that it moved elsewhere. I would argue that recreational use of the park also evaporated. It certainly was a lot quieter on my cycle commute through it for months. Really only picked up again once the road was opened.

We would often stop in the park if its on our way to or back from somewhere. I think a lot of people do this. Stop on the way from work, for a walk etc. But if your route no longer takes you past or through it, thats not going to happen.

That said car transport is becoming unsustainable in the city. Only a matter of time before this happens anyway.

Hurrache · 25-04-2019 05:29PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Really? Any further info as to who Guinness sold it to? thanks.

Not sure if this is the place but I do know they were selling land that bordered the Liffey and had an old house and estate in it, along with periphery buildings from that estate.
www.oatlandspark.ie
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/new-to-market/boutique-scheme-in-courtyard-of-historic-liffeyside-estate-1.3502949

beauf · 25-04-2019 05:30PM

lawred2 wrote: »

I haven't. Can you link me up?

http://phoenixpark.ie/visitor-experience-strategic-review/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/skateboard-lanes-segways-and-even-a-funicular-a-look-at-the-new-proposed-visitor-experience-at-the-phoenix-park-38045201.html

A major change would see the development of a modern funicular or outdoor elevator, to connecting the Magazine Fort on Military Road with Memorial Gardens at Islandbridge.

Wheeeeeeeeeee

Spanish Eyes · 25-04-2019 05:43PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Not sure if this is the place but I do know they were selling land that bordered the Liffey and had an old house and estate in it, along with periphery buildings from that estate.
www.oatlandspark.ie
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/new-to-market/boutique-scheme-in-courtyard-of-historic-liffeyside-estate-1.3502949

Thanks for that. Just looked it up on maps, afais it is not where the Silver Bridge is. It is to the West of the M50 bridge.

So maybe there is still hope that the bridge might be restored one day.

Mercian Pro · 26-04-2019 10:53AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Thanks for that. Just looked it up on maps, afais it is not where the Silver Bridge is. It is to the West of the M50 bridge.

So maybe there is still hope that the bridge might be restored one day.

Check out https://www.facebook.com/Rebuild-the-Silver-bridge-611885565532537/

Funding approved for an engineering survey earlier this month.

Effects · 26-04-2019 01:05PM

The bridge is in a pretty bad state. I crossed over it early last year. Would it simply be easier to replace it rather than try and repair?

As for the private land on the northside, is it possible to CPO a section so the path could continue up to Farmleigh?

Cycle Lanes in Phoenix Park

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