Cycle Lanes in Phoenix Park

cgcsb wrote: »

You make it sound like there is no public transport at all outside the park.

I just think people will park on all the local roads (residential areas) around the park.

beauf wrote: »

You're going to have to get used to the idea of cycle lanes and checking for them.
Park or anywhere.

Ahem, that sounds very like cyclist arrogance

The point has been made that footpaths are close to the road, it is where most people walking expect them to be. Cycling on the inner path would be safer for everyone really.

But anyway, back to the vehicular traffic, that's the REAL bogey IMV.

lawred2 wrote: »

right...

So the park becomes an amenity for those that live in Castleknock and Parkgate Street?

What about everyone else?

cgcsb suggests we all use public transport or walk, cycle.

Hurrache wrote: »

So like I asked, how does it work in the scenario I proposed to you? I'll loan you the bikes, kids and dogs if you need to try it.

Much like Merrion Square, Stephen's Green, Mountjoy Square, St Patrick's Park and other parks with no parking or car access, you make your own arrangements to get there. You can bring bikes on rail at off peak times, you could leave the bikes at home one day even, or you could cycle them there.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Why?

I am very used to walking in the Pheeno, but with headphones in and off in a dream I very often start in the cycle lane because it is innate, that is where I expect the pedestrian footpath to be!

Because you're proposing to put pedestrians and kids between the usability of the park itself and moving cars. If you have issues now wait until you see what it's like to have kids and pets constantly run from the footpath into the trees and park across you.

What footpath or roadway did you ever expect to find the pedestrian footpath between cycle lane and roadway?

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Ahem, that sounds very like cyclist arrogance

The point has been made that footpaths are close to the road, it is where most people walking expect them to be. Cycling on the inner path would be safer for everyone really.

But anyway, back to the vehicular traffic, that's the REAL bogey IMV.

I'm just saying its 2019 cycle lanes are a thing. Its not the 80s.

beauf wrote: »

I just think people will park on all the local roads (residential areas) around the park.

Pretty much all around the park is already pay and display + permits

lawred2

Hurrache wrote: »

Because you're proposing to put pedestrians and kids between the usability of the park itself and moving cars. If you have issues now wait until you see what it's like to have kids and pets constantly run from the footpath into the trees and park across you.

What footpath or roadway did you ever expect to find the pedestrian footpath between cycle lane and roadway?

but this is how the park in effect works right now

cgcsb wrote: »

Much like Merrion Square, Stephen's Green, Mountjoy Square, St Patrick's Park and other parks with no parking or car access, you make your own arrangements to get there. You can bring bikes on rail at off peak times, you could leave the bikes at home one day even, or you could cycle them there.

So we only visit the park by rail, at off peak times. Right so.

All those parks you mention have parking.

Hurrache wrote: »

Because you're proposing to put pedestrians and kids between the usability of the park itself and moving cars. If you have issues now wait until you see what it's like to have kids and pets constantly run from the footpath into the trees and park across you.

What footpath or roadway did you ever expect to find the pedestrian footpath between cycle lane and roadway?

In fairness if there is an event on like bloom. The only way to cycle is on the inner path which which root infested. The cycle path is a non runner (lol). Or just avoid the park.

beauf wrote: »

In fairness if there is an event on like bloom. The only way to cycle is on the inner path which which root infested. The cycle path is a non runner (lol). Or just avoid the park.

Don't they stop you from cycling on the lanes anyway?

cgcsb wrote: »

Pretty much all around the park is already pay and display + permits

Then job done. No parking within 2 miles of the park. Sorted.

Has any one read the plans.

I've loving the cable car.

Tombo2001

buffalo wrote: »

You've never been to the Park during Bloom so.

I have.

Dublin City Marathon is far more disruptive in terms of access.

Would you shut that down?

Hurrache wrote: »

Don't they stop you from cycling on the lanes anyway?

Sometimes. They try....:D

Hurrache wrote: »

So we only visit the park by rail, at off peak times. Right so.

Nope, you could visit any time in such a scenario, you would just have to be better organised about what you bring and how you travel.

Hurrache wrote: »

All those parks you mention have parking.

There isn't, there's nearby parking that is pay and display, often v expensive, and often there are no spaces.

beauf wrote: »

Then job done. No parking within 2 miles of the park. Sorted.

Only if you don't understand the traffic evaporation concept. Walking 2 miles(are you an american by chance?) defeats the purpose of taking the car entirely.

cgcsb wrote: »

Nope, you could visit any time in such a scenario, you would just have to be better organised about what you bring and how you travel.

There isn't, there's nearby parking that is pay and display, often v expensive, and often there are no spaces.

No, I can't, you don't understand that, and your suggestions are getting nonsensical.

You can park right outside all those parks. Because the spaces may be in use already doesn't mean they don't exist.

A connection (bridge) between the War Memorial Gardens and the Park was mooted some time ago. Great idea. Often walk from Chapelizod down to Memorial Gardens (lovely walk BTW and great to see the rowing clubs on the water), but when you get to Islandbridge, you have to go round the houses, and cross a busy road (or two!) to get up the million steps towards the Wellington Monument.

Anyway, the current plans are quite ambitious for connecting the two. Hope it happens.

Apologies for the cynicism but will probably happen in 2040 or something.

Someone above mentioned restoring the Silver Bridge from Waterstown to Guinness property in Castleknock. I know it well. The problem is that the land on which access to bridge is, is privately owned. Not much happening despite local Castleknock and Palmerstown groups advocating it.

So much could be done.

buffalo

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I have.

Dublin City Marathon is far more disruptive in terms of access.

Would you shut that down?

The marathon doesn't close any of the cycle tracks or create complete gridlock in the park as far as I'm aware? It gives the Park over to the public for the morning and creates a lovely atmosphere. I'm not sure what comparison you're making?

buffalo wrote: »

The marathon doesn't close any of the cycle tracks or create complete gridlock in the park as far as I'm aware? It gives the Park over to the public for the morning and creates a lovely atmosphere. I'm not sure what comparison you're making?

Depends where you are. For many it cuts off access to the park and half the city.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Someone above mentioned restoring the Silver Bridge from Waterstown to Guinness property in Castleknock. I know it well. The problem is that the land on which access to bridge is, is privately owned. Not much happening despite local Castleknock and Palmerstown groups advocating it.

So much could be done.

I think that was sold recently by the Guinness Estate.

lawred2

beauf wrote: »

Has any one read the plans.

I've loving the cable car.

I haven't. Can you link me up?

Hurrache wrote: »

I think that was sold recently by the Guinness Estate.

Really? Any further info as to who Guinness sold it to? thanks.

There is no crossing of the Liffey between Chapelizod Bridge and Lucan at the moment, apart from the M50, but pedestrians and cyclists are banned from that as you know.

cgcsb wrote: »

Only if you don't understand the traffic evaporation concept. Walking 2 miles(are you an american by chance?) defeats the purpose of taking the car entirely.

isn't that the intent. Make so it pointless to use the car to get to the park, or travel through it. Certainly the OPW want no cars in the park. They just don't have any logic to how they go about it.

When they closed the main road in the park, the traffic evaporated, in that it moved elsewhere. I would argue that recreational use of the park also evaporated. It certainly was a lot quieter on my cycle commute through it for months. Really only picked up again once the road was opened.

We would often stop in the park if its on our way to or back from somewhere. I think a lot of people do this. Stop on the way from work, for a walk etc. But if your route no longer takes you past or through it, thats not going to happen.

That said car transport is becoming unsustainable in the city. Only a matter of time before this happens anyway.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Really? Any further info as to who Guinness sold it to? thanks.

Not sure if this is the place but I do know they were selling land that bordered the Liffey and had an old house and estate in it, along with periphery buildings from that estate.
www.oatlandspark.ie
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/new-to-market/boutique-scheme-in-courtyard-of-historic-liffeyside-estate-1.3502949

http://phoenixpark.ie/visitor-experience-strategic-review/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/skateboard-lanes-segways-and-even-a-funicular-a-look-at-the-new-proposed-visitor-experience-at-the-phoenix-park-38045201.html

lawred2 wrote: »

I haven't. Can you link me up?

A major change would see the development of a modern funicular or outdoor elevator, to connecting the Magazine Fort on Military Road with Memorial Gardens at Islandbridge.

Wheeeeeeeeeee