"Non book readers" Season 8 - Speculation Thread - Spoilers on thread from 15th Apr

silvervixen84 · 23-04-2019 04:18PM

I'm thinking Arya will use her new spear to kill a white walker from a distance (perhaps at the edge of the battle), cut off its face with her Valyrian steel dagger, and use her Faceless Man tricks to get close enough to the Night King to stab him in the heart with the dagger.

Tazzimus · 23-04-2019 04:21PM

silvervixen84 wrote: »

I'm thinking Arya will use her new spear to kill a white walker from a distance (perhaps at the edge of the battle), cut off its face with her Valyrian steel dagger, and use her Faceless Man tricks to get close enough to the Night King to stab him in the heart with the dagger.

They disintegrate as soon as either material touches them so that wouldn't work.

I presume she had the staff made as she figured she could do more damage with it, facelass man training with the Waif and all.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 23-04-2019 04:23PM

Anyone else think Stannis might make an appearance yet? It was odd they never showed what happened to him.

DaeryssaOne · 23-04-2019 04:24PM

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Anyone else think Stannis might make an appearance yet? It was odd they never showed what happened to him.

No it wasn't they just didn't show the actual gore of Brienne chopping his head off. She also confirmed in later episodes that she killed him and the show-writers confirmed he was dead.

Conall Cernach · 23-04-2019 04:30PM

DaeryssaOne wrote: »

No it wasn't they just didn't show the actual gore of Brienne chopping his head off. She also confirmed in later episodes that she killed him and the show-writers confirmed he was dead.

Presumably he's buried in a mass grave near Winterfell. It would be somewhat ironic if he returned as a wight and killed Melisandre.

....... · 23-04-2019 04:39PM

DaeryssaOne wrote: »

No it wasn't they just didn't show the actual gore of Brienne chopping his head off. She also confirmed in later episodes that she killed him and the show-writers confirmed he was dead.

Yes, I remember them confirming Jon Snow was dead too.

And the Hound :P

Tazzimus · 23-04-2019 04:41PM

....... wrote: »

Yes, I remember them confirming Jon Snow was dead too.

And the Hound :P

Technically they weren't lying about Jon :pac:

seamus · 23-04-2019 04:44PM

....... wrote: »

What I want to know is why the NK bothers turning babies into White Walkers.

The wights are just mindless creatures being controlled by the White Walkers. Kill a White Walker, all his wights die.

If the NK was the only White Walker, then obviously that's a big risk right there - if he dies, they all die. But it's also a lot of wights for one guy to have domain over. At least if he has a load of generals with their own armies, he can let them off to do their own thing.

MisterAnarchy · 23-04-2019 04:45PM

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Anyone else think Stannis might make an appearance yet? It was odd they never showed what happened to him.

It would be great to see him back ,the writers of the tv show treated him terribly.
The greatest general in Westeros outfoxed by a mutt like Ramsay Bolton.

I cant see him coming back though.

....... · 23-04-2019 04:49PM

Tazzimus wrote: »

Technically they weren't lying about Jon :pac:

Technically right is the best kind of right eh?

RickBlaine · 23-04-2019 04:50PM

I think the undead army will be beaten in the next episode at a heavy cost (loads of supporting characters, maybe one or two main ones) but the NK himself will survive and fly to King's Landing. What happens then is anyone's guess. I can't imagine him actually teaming up with Cersei. She might be the queen but to him she's just another human that needs killing.

But I also can't see the NK killing Cersei. Her death (assuming she dies) needs to be more personal than that rather than just being fodder for the NK. Either Jamie or Arya will kill her. Maybe even Tyrion. But not the NK who has no history at all with her.

....... · 23-04-2019 04:53PM

seamus wrote: »

The wights are just mindless creatures being controlled by the White Walkers. Kill a White Walker, all his wights die.

If the NK was the only White Walker, then obviously that's a big risk right there - if he dies, they all die. But it's also a lot of wights for one guy to have domain over. At least if he has a load of generals with their own armies, he can let them off to do their own thing.

Yeah but to what end?

Whats the point of it all for them? Whats the point of the endless night?

If they kill everyone in the world, then eventually they themselves will die off over time as various WWs die due to accidents, fire, falling into a bit of dragonglass etc...

So is it all just a big murder suicide mission?

I just think there has to be more to it than that.

1 - I think Bran is wrong and is doing exactly what Tyrion spoke to Jaime about, under estimating his enemy.

2 - The NK wants something other than the end of humanity and an endless night - he has to - because thats a rubbish thing to want!

Maybe he is seeking a way to reverse the spell he is under?

Mickeroo · 23-04-2019 05:01PM

....... wrote: »

Yeah but to what end?

Whats the point of it all for them? Whats the point of the endless night?

If they kill everyone in the world, then eventually they themselves will die off over time as various WWs die due to accidents, fire, falling into a bit of dragonglass etc...

So is it all just a big murder suicide mission?

I just think there has to be more to it than that.

1 - I think Bran is wrong and is doing exactly what Tyrion spoke to Jaime about, under estimating his enemy.

2 - The NK wants something other than the end of humanity and an endless night - he has to - because thats a rubbish thing to want!

Maybe he is seeking a way to reverse the spell he is under?

Would be great if you're right but it's fairly par par the course in sci fi/fantasy to have the big bad guy just be evil and want to wipe everything out because it's just what they do. I think what Bran said is all the motivation he has.

Ciaran · 23-04-2019 05:02PM

....... wrote: »

Maybe he is seeking a way to reverse the spell he is under?

A kiss from Daenerys to turn him back into a prince?

....... · 23-04-2019 05:08PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Would be great if you're right but it's fairly par par the course in sci fi/fantasy to have the big bad guy just be evil and want to wipe everything out because it's just what they do. I think what Bran said is all the motivation he has.

Yeah maybe, but the whole set up seems very elaborate if thats all it comes down to.

....... · 23-04-2019 05:09PM

Ciaran wrote: »

A kiss from Daenerys to turn him back into a prince....

...that was promised?

seamus · 23-04-2019 05:16PM

....... wrote: »

Yeah but to what end?

Whats the point of it all for them? Whats the point of the endless night?

Now you're getting philosophical

What was the point in Dany spending years building an army to regain the iron throne? She could have quit much earlier on. Especially with her 3 dragons.

No doubt there is a reason the NK wants to wipe everyone out. Simple revenge maybe? To rule over everything? If Bran can see everything, then it would seem like Bran is the single biggest tactical positive the humans have, so killing Bran would be crippling to any defensive effort.

The NK was created by the Children of the Forest to defend against men. Maybe he's just an example of magic gone wrong; he sees his purpose as wiping out all living things, and so that's what he's doing.

....... · 23-04-2019 05:19PM

seamus wrote: »

Now you're getting philosophical

What was the point in Dany spending years building an army to regain the iron throne? She could have quit much earlier on. Especially with her 3 dragons.

No doubt there is a reason the NK wants to wipe everyone out. Simple revenge maybe? To rule over everything? If Bran can see everything, then it would seem like Bran is the single biggest tactical positive the humans have, so killing Bran would be crippling to any defensive effort.

Well for Dany she sees it as her destiny, her whole identity is wrapped up in being who she is.

In fact, I think a lot of people misread her as being power hungry to point out Jons claim to the throne as her first thought when she knew his parentage - I think it was a sudden identity crisis. If she isnt Danerys Targaryen, First of her name, breaker of chains, mother of dragons etc.... then who is she? No one.

I just cant believe that the NK (with the elaborate set up) is just out to kill everyone there is. And then do what?

Airyfairy12 · 23-04-2019 05:39PM

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

How many white walkers is it alluded there are?

Regardless of how many there are, all the living people they kill will be turned into white walkers themselves, extending the army. Every bodies going to die!

sky88 · 23-04-2019 05:50PM

i keep getting this vision of melisandre coming in to save the day with some kind of army like gandalf saving rohan in the two towers. no reason why i keep thinking this

PressRun · 23-04-2019 06:20PM

sky88 wrote: »

i keep getting this vision of melisandre coming in to save the day with some kind of army like gandalf saving rohan in the two towers. no reason why i keep thinking this

Not beyond the realms of possibility that she will make an appearance imo. Her god has a vested interest in the outcome of this war, seemingly, so it might make sense for her to be there. Beric is also there, if I remember correctly from the last episode?

IAMAMORON · 23-04-2019 07:05PM

sky88 wrote: »

i keep getting this vision of melisandre coming in to save the day with some kind of army like gandalf saving rohan in the two towers. no reason why i keep thinking this

I think she is there somewhere in disguise. If she can make herself look like a foxy eurobabe when she is really 400 years old I reckon she could well be that young girl with the scar talking with Davos.

paulbok · 23-04-2019 07:13PM

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Regardless of how many there are, all the living people they kill will be turned into white walkers themselves, extending the army. Every bodies going to die!

No, those killed get turned in wights, big difference when trying to kill them after.

Essien · 23-04-2019 07:38PM

Whatever order it plays out in, I'm convinced that the Golden Company and Lannister army will both be added to the army of the dead.

I do think the NK is en route to Kings Landing to make that happen though, along with whatever stragglers he picks up along the way.

All the wights and white walkers at winterfell will be beaten next week. This will culminate with a seemingly helpless Bran being approached by the last remaining WW lieutenant, who will then be disintegrated by one of Aryas dragonglass darts.

I think the Eerie will come back into play too. It'll be occupied by either good guys fleeing south or bad guys fleeing North.

Bonzo Delaney · 23-04-2019 07:58PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I think she is there somewhere in disguise. If she can make herself look like a foxy eurobabe when she is really 400 years old I reckon she could well be that young girl with the scar talking with Davos.

Mind blown

....... · 24-04-2019 09:41AM

sky88 wrote: »

i keep getting this vision of melisandre coming in to save the day with some kind of army like gandalf saving rohan in the two towers. no reason why i keep thinking this

Melisandre at dawn leading Daario and the Second Sons?

Triceratops Ballet · 24-04-2019 10:31AM

PressRun wrote: »

Not beyond the realms of possibility that she will make an appearance imo. Her god has a vested interest in the outcome of this war, seemingly, so it might make sense for her to be there. Beric is also there, if I remember correctly from the last episode?

She's defo coming back, she predicted last season that she would return once more to Westeros before her death (and that Westeros is where she would die) my guess she's rounding up other fire priestesses and priests to some and fight ice with fire.

DaeryssaOne · 24-04-2019 11:24AM

I had previously been sure Arya would need to kill a wight Rickon or even Sansa but after Episode 2 I reckon it'll be a wight Gendry.
Rather that than Jon having to kill a wight Tormund / Davos

homerun_homer · 24-04-2019 01:56PM

Where would all the dead from the Battle of the Bastards be buried, or would they have been burned? Same applies I guess to kills in Winterfell like Littlefinger. I'd imagine the Night King can summon additional large dead armies easily if they are buried nearby.

18-04-2019, 11:19

homerun_homer wrote: »

I'm predicting a Deus Ex Melisandre to happen when Jon Snow and co are backed into a tight spot they can't get out of.

sky88 wrote: »

i keep getting this vision of melisandre coming in to save the day with some kind of army like gandalf saving rohan in the two towers. no reason why i keep thinking this

Beat you to that prediction:D

DaeryssaOne · 24-04-2019 02:18PM

homerun_homer wrote: »

Where would all the dead from the Battle of the Bastards be buried, or would they have been burned? Same applies I guess to kills in Winterfell like Littlefinger. I'd imagine the Night King can summon additional large dead armies easily if they are buried nearby.

What we don't know is if he can only resurrect bodies that have been killed by wights / white walkers - dunno can he just stroll past a graveyard and have a whole 'thriller' army appear?

"Non book readers" Season 8 - Speculation Thread - Spoilers on thread from 15th Apr

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