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Have we reach peak LGBT nonsense?

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  • #632
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    King Mob wrote: »
    I prefer calling it the Big Gay Conspiracy to make it sound matchingly appropriate.

    I'm genuinely lost on how he brought "big pharma" into a discussion about why science is lying about gay people.


  • #633
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    smacl wrote: »
    The fact that there remain hundreds of millions of homophobic Christians is no doubt true, but this is hardly something to be proud about, and as this article explains Christianity in the west is increasingly post homophobic. From that article

    But it’s not the Christians that gay people need to worry about is it? It’s the 1 billion+ Muslims. I know you don’t want to talk about Islam or Muslims, it’s much safer to condemn Christians as they’re toothless. But almost 1/2 the world would agree that gay people need to be thrown off the highest roof. And that’s not changing anytime soon. And the Left has a big problem because their migration with no borders policy totally ignores the fact that most of the migrants embrace social policies that belong in the Middle Ages.
    That’s the real issue. If you were honest, that’s true?


  • #634
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    batgoat wrote: »
    I'm genuinely lost on how he brought "big pharma" into a discussion about why science is lying about gay people.
    Controlled by the secret gay lobby?


  • #635
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    antiskeptic wrote: »
    Given the vast bulk of Christianity is cultural, actual Christianity is and only ever will be fringe. For all the change you think you see, there has been little actual change. Culture will always flow with the times and cultural Christianity with it.

    So a Christian isn't a 'real' Christian unless they support you very narrow minority interpretation of what it means to be a Christian? You're right, they're wrong, in something that is a matter made entirely of unsubstantiated belief? As said previously this is both a 'No True Scotsman' fallacy and an extreme case of confirmation bias.

    This version of Christianity that states that gay people must repent of suffer in hell for all eternity is clearly a religion of fear, hate and greed. Don't obey our rules and burn in hell, obey our rules and go to heaven. It is a fantastic con to manipulate the masses where their reward or punishment is conveniently promised post-mortem. Convenient because it demands a life time of obedience without actually returning anything tangible. It seems unsurprising that the vast bulk of Christians reject this and go for an interpretation of the religion that favours love and tolerance.


  • #636
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,498 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    King Mob wrote:
    Cool. That also supports the westboro baptist churches position.
    Really? Show me what in that supports their position on things?


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  • #637
    smacl
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    But it’s not the Christians that gay people need to worry about is it? It’s the 1 billion+ Muslims. I know you don’t want to talk about Islam or Muslims, it’s much safer to condemn Christians as they’re toothless. But almost 1/2 the world would agree that gay people need to be thrown off the highest roof. And that’s not changing anytime soon. And the Left has a big problem because their migration with no borders policy totally ignores the fact that most of the migrants embrace social policies that belong in the Middle Ages.
    That’s the real issue. If you were honest, that’s true?

    Apparently not; New Poll Shows American Muslims Are Less Homophobic Than White Evangelical Christians

    Though FWIW, I have no qualms in stating for the nth time that I'm of the opinion that Islam is a deeply homophobic and misogynistic religion, comparable to Catholicism in Ireland's not too distant past. Apparently some Christianity in the states is still like this too.


  • #638
    eagle eye
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    smacl wrote:
    It seems unsurprising that the vast bulk of Christians reject this and go for an interpretation of the religion that favours love and tolerance.
    I'm not sure you are right about.

    Like consider the Irish referendum on gay marriage. 38% of the electorate voted against which would suggest that it's not a vast majority of Christians who reject those beliefs.


  • #639
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Really? Show me what in that supports their position on things?
    Show how it supports your boy's position on things.

    I don't think it supports either fyi.


  • #640
    batgoat
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm not sure you are right about.

    Like consider the Irish referendum on gay marriage. 38% of the electorate voted against which would suggest that it's not a vast majority of Christians who reject those beliefs.

    That number is likely dropping year by year because they are viewed as archaic beliefs. It also does suggest that the vast majority view this as an archaic belief. Regardless, the expressed views are something that rugby does not want associated with it because it's an incredibly negative connotation.


  • #641
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    smacl wrote: »
    Apparently not; New Poll Shows American Muslims Are Less Homophobic Than White Evangelical Christians

    Though FWIW, I have no qualms in stating for the nth time that I'm of the opinion that Islam is a deeply homophobic and misogynistic religion, comparable to Catholicism in Ireland's not too distant past. Apparently some Christianity in the states is still like this too.

    But you know I’m not talking about American Muslims. You know I’m talking about almost 1 billion Muslims in Asia and Africa.
    Please don’t equate the homophobia and misogyny which was present all over the western world ( not just amongst Catholics, but you know that too) in the past with the current levels of abuse through Asia and Africa, because it would make you look stupid.
    A girl was taken up onto a roof in Pakistan the other day and burned alive because she insisted she had been molested by her principal.
    You know that nothing like that happened here for 500 years, don’t pretend that it has please.


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  • #642
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    But you know I’m not talking about American Muslims. You know I’m talking about almost 1 billion Muslims in Asia and Africa.
    Please don’t equate the homophobia and misogyny which was present all over the western world ( not just amongst Catholics, but you know that too) in the past with the current levels of abuse through Asia and Africa, because it would make you look stupid.
    A girl was taken up onto a roof in Pakistan the other day and burned alive because she insisted she had been molested by her principal.
    You know that nothing like that happened here for 500 years, don’t pretend that it has please.

    It was Bangladesh not Pakistan where that happened.

    Strange how people bring up the attitude of Muslims in relation to homosexuals and women as a example of how bad they are when actually supporting the same beliefs as a Christian. But hey why let a little bit of hypocrisy stand in the way of a post.


  • #643
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,498 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    partyguinness wrote:
    He will be punished not for expressing his religious 'beliefs' as such but rather for violating (again) a Code of Conduct that he has signed up for which basically tells him to keep all that nonsense to himself.
    Looks like it but personally I'd love to challenge that in court. As long as he doesn't have a picture of himself in the clubs colours or anything related to the club or indeed his country as part of this then I don't see how this can be taken as representing the club.
    I haven't looked at his page so I don't know.


  • #644
    smacl
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Looks like it but personally I'd love to challenge that in court. As long as he doesn't have a picture of himself in the clubs colours or anything related to the club or indeed his country as part of this then I don't see how this can be taken as representing the club.
    I haven't looked at his page so I don't know.

    Yep, mixture of his religious rants beside photos of him playing rugby in club colours.


  • #645
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Please don’t equate the homophobia and misogyny which was present all over the western world ( not just amongst Catholics, but you know that too) in the past with the current levels of abuse through Asia and Africa, because it would make you look stupid.

    Why not? Homophobia and misogyny have been religiously inspired throughout history and still are today. Religion has been the perennial excuse for barbaric behaviour through the ages but as societies become more civilised this behaviour is no longer tolerated. Israel Folau being sanctioned for preaching homophobia is an example of this. Being a famous rugby player or devout Christian is not considered an acceptable excuse for homophobia in our society and rightly so.


  • #646
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    smacl wrote: »
    Why not? Homophobia and misogyny have been religiously inspired throughout history and still are today. Religion has been the perennial excuse for barbaric behaviour through the ages but as societies become more civilised this behaviour is no longer tolerated. Israel Folau being sanctioned for preaching homophobia is an example of this. Being a famous rugby player or devout Christian is not considered an acceptable excuse for homophobia in our society and rightly so.

    I’ve read this post 3 times and I don’t understand what your response is.
    I asked you not to compare the misogyny and homophobia which was present in recent Irish history to the misogyny and homophobia currently present across vast swathes of Asia and Africa.
    So you’re saying one of two things in response. That either
    A. There isn’t really much misogyny/homophobia going on in Africa/Asia, that it’s not really true, or not as bad as people say
    Or
    B. Yes it’s bad there, but equally bad here.
    So which is you’re opinion?
    Also don’t make me remind you that much more people have died barbarically by far even in the last century because of atheism then religion?


  • #647
    Hedgelayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Hedgelayer


    splinter65 wrote: »
    I’ve read this post 3 times and I don’t understand what your response is.
    I asked you not to compare the misogyny and homophobia which was present in recent Irish history to the misogyny and homophobia currently present across vast swathes of Asia and Africa.
    So you’re saying one of two things in response. That either
    A. There isn’t really much misogyny/homophobia going on in Africa/Asia, that it’s not really true, or not as bad as people say
    Or
    B. Yes it’s bad there, but equally bad here.
    So which is you’re opinion?
    Also don’t make me remind you that much more people have died barbarically by far even in the last century because of atheism then religion?

    Ahhh but the atheists will have an excuse for all those killungs you mentioned, the atheist is very clever.

    They'll created an oxymoron in a debate about that, turn the discussion into a spaghetti monster with a scouse perm.

    Tie you up in knots, gaslight the **** out of you and then they'll be posting away and all the sock puppets will be thanking each other for the responses.

    So just say it was in the last century people who hadn't any religious influence slaughtered innocent people.

    And it wasn't because they were atheists, it was because they were killers....

    Shooshhh don't say it was because of atheism, some posters will take it personal....


  • #648
    Hedgelayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Hedgelayer


    smacl wrote: »
    Why not? Homophobia and misogyny have been religiously inspired throughout history and still are today. Religion has been the perennial excuse for barbaric behaviour through the ages but as societies become more civilised this behaviour is no longer tolerated. Israel Folau being sanctioned for preaching homophobia is an example of this. Being a famous rugby player or devout Christian is not considered an acceptable excuse for homophobia in our society and rightly so.

    Im pikeaphobia I hate pike especially when im spinning for salmon, a pike should be dispatched humanely with a heavy priest on the head and thrown into the nearest Bush...

    A priest is an object for clouting a fish on the head....

    I recommend dennit


  • #649
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,498 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    smacl wrote:
    Why not? Homophobia and misogyny have been religiously inspired throughout history and still are today. Religion has been the perennial excuse for barbaric behaviour through the ages but as societies become more civilised this behaviour is no longer tolerated. Israel Folau being sanctioned for preaching homophobia is an example of this. Being a famous rugby player or devout Christian is not considered an acceptable excuse for homophobia in our society and rightly so.
    Israel Folau didn't preach homophobia.


  • #650
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Israel Folau didn't preach homophobia.

    Saying that gay people will suffer for all eternity unless they stop being gay is homophobia. Saying it to a large audience on a religious pretext is preaching it.


  • #651
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    Hedgelayer wrote: »
    Ahhh but the atheists will have an excuse for all those killungs you mentioned, the atheist is very clever.

    They'll created an oxymoron in a debate about that, turn the discussion into a spaghetti monster with a scouse perm.

    Tie you up in knots, gaslight the **** out of you and then they'll be posting away and all the sock puppets will be thanking each other for the responses.

    So just say it was in the last century people who hadn't any religious influence slaughtered innocent people.

    And it wasn't because they were atheists, it was because they were killers....

    Shooshhh don't say it was because of atheism, some posters will take it personal....

    Take it the person your quoting was talking about the 20th century.
    Just off the top of my head, the following comes to mind.

    First world war stated by Christians

    Second world war started by Christians, Shintoists, and Buddhists.

    Spanish civil war, Christians

    Vietnam, mixed bag of culprits, many blame the French & US for prolonging it.

    Armenian massacre, Muslims (Ottoman Empire)

    Number of proxy wars during the cold war period both Christians and Atheist going what every US president was and by the state policy of the USSR.

    So I don't see Atheists as the people causing all/the majority of the above.


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  • #652
    recedite
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    Hedgelayer wrote: »
    Im pikeaphobia I hate pike especially when im spinning for salmon, a pike should be dispatched humanely with a heavy priest on the head and thrown into the nearest Bush...
    Pike be good eating, if a bit bony.
    A good priest is the fisherman's friend. Not only that, but I find you sleep better knowing your priest is by your bedside.


  • #653
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,498 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    smacl wrote:
    Saying that gay people will suffer for all eternity unless they stop being gay is homophobia. Saying it to a large audience on a religious pretext is preaching it.
    Well I disagree. Firstly he is asking them to repent so they don't go to hell, that's not homophobia. Secondly he is not preaching to the world, he is only talking to all the people he regards as sinners.
    As for this homophobia word, how can a word with phobia mean anything other than fear? It's not correct.


  • #654
    batgoat
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Well I disagree. Firstly he is asking them to repent so they don't go to hell, that's not homophobia. Secondly he is not preaching to the world, he is only talking to all the people he regards as sinners.
    As for this homophobia word, how can a word with phobia mean anything other than fear? It's not correct.

    Phobia includes fear or aversion, the aversion being a 'hatred' so yep I think you're getting incredibly pedantic about a word that is pretty clearly defined.


  • #655
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,498 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    batgoat wrote:
    Phobia includes fear or aversion, the aversion being a 'hatred' so yep I think you're getting incredibly pedantic about a word that is pretty clearly defined.
    Well call me pedantic but phobia doesn't mean aversion, at least not in the hatred sense. It's dislike or even hatred due to fear. The word relates solely to fear.


  • #656
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Well call me pedantic but phobia doesn't mean aversion, at least not in the hatred sense. It's dislike or even hatred due to fear. The word relates solely to fear.

    phobia
    /ˈfəʊbɪə
    noun
    an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.


  • #657
    batgoat
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Well call me pedantic but phobia doesn't mean aversion, at least not in the hatred sense. It's dislike or even hatred due to fear. The word relates solely to fear.

    That's the Webster dictionary definition of phobia... So really this is more denying the meaning of the word...


  • #658
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Bogwoppit wrote: »
    The last time Folau was warned about his comments he said he’d gladly walk away from any contract if he was told not to air them in public. He didn’t care about the money apparently. There was less than a year left on his contract at the time.

    This time he’s doing anything but walk away, why? There’s 3 years left on his contract at 1 million dollars a year. Guess what? He’s refusing to walk away.

    Just shows how much conviction this scumbag has in his own beliefs.

    It's always about the money, it doesn't matter if its footballers, nuns running laundrys or whatever. Its always about money.

    Beliefs get swept under once the money flows


  • #659
    Cabaal
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Well I disagree. Firstly he is asking them to repent so they don't go to hell, that's not homophobia. Secondly he is not preaching to the world, he is only talking to all the people he regards as sinners.
    As for this homophobia word, how can a word with phobia mean anything other than fear? It's not correct.

    You can't repent for what you are and how you were born.

    Do you ask black people to repent if you think black people should go to hell? How does that work exactly?
    :rolleyes:

    Your mental gymnastics is pittyful and also disturbing. All in an effort to justify hate speech, it's rather pathetic.

    Oh and he is preaching to the world, twitter is a worldwide platform that anyone with a Internet access can view. If he wanted to preach to gay people only perhaps he should setup a profile on grinder
    :rolleyes:


  • #660
    eagle eye
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    Cabaal wrote:
    You can't repent for what you are and how you were born.
    You are not worth taking seriously due to the insults.
    So don't expect a response.


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  • #661
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    You are not worth taking seriously due to the insults.
    So don't expect a response.

    Does that mean I can expect a reply?
    Can you show where your boy is backed up by the Bible where other christians are not?


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