King Mob wrote: » I prefer calling it the Big Gay Conspiracy to make it sound matchingly appropriate.
smacl wrote: » The fact that there remain hundreds of millions of homophobic Christians is no doubt true, but this is hardly something to be proud about, and as this article explains Christianity in the west is increasingly post homophobic. From that article
batgoat wrote: » I'm genuinely lost on how he brought "big pharma" into a discussion about why science is lying about gay people.
antiskeptic wrote: » Given the vast bulk of Christianity is cultural, actual Christianity is and only ever will be fringe. For all the change you think you see, there has been little actual change. Culture will always flow with the times and cultural Christianity with it.
King Mob wrote: Cool. That also supports the westboro baptist churches position.
splinter65 wrote: » But it’s not the Christians that gay people need to worry about is it? It’s the 1 billion+ Muslims. I know you don’t want to talk about Islam or Muslims, it’s much safer to condemn Christians as they’re toothless. But almost 1/2 the world would agree that gay people need to be thrown off the highest roof. And that’s not changing anytime soon. And the Left has a big problem because their migration with no borders policy totally ignores the fact that most of the migrants embrace social policies that belong in the Middle Ages. That’s the real issue. If you were honest, that’s true?
smacl wrote: It seems unsurprising that the vast bulk of Christians reject this and go for an interpretation of the religion that favours love and tolerance.
eagle eye wrote: » Really? Show me what in that supports their position on things?
eagle eye wrote: » I'm not sure you are right about. Like consider the Irish referendum on gay marriage. 38% of the electorate voted against which would suggest that it's not a vast majority of Christians who reject those beliefs.
smacl wrote: » Apparently not; New Poll Shows American Muslims Are Less Homophobic Than White Evangelical Christians Though FWIW, I have no qualms in stating for the nth time that I'm of the opinion that Islam is a deeply homophobic and misogynistic religion, comparable to Catholicism in Ireland's not too distant past. Apparently some Christianity in the states is still like this too.
splinter65 wrote: » But you know I’m not talking about American Muslims. You know I’m talking about almost 1 billion Muslims in Asia and Africa. Please don’t equate the homophobia and misogyny which was present all over the western world ( not just amongst Catholics, but you know that too) in the past with the current levels of abuse through Asia and Africa, because it would make you look stupid. A girl was taken up onto a roof in Pakistan the other day and burned alive because she insisted she had been molested by her principal. You know that nothing like that happened here for 500 years, don’t pretend that it has please.
partyguinness wrote: He will be punished not for expressing his religious 'beliefs' as such but rather for violating (again) a Code of Conduct that he has signed up for which basically tells him to keep all that nonsense to himself.
eagle eye wrote: » Looks like it but personally I'd love to challenge that in court. As long as he doesn't have a picture of himself in the clubs colours or anything related to the club or indeed his country as part of this then I don't see how this can be taken as representing the club. I haven't looked at his page so I don't know.
splinter65 wrote: » Please don’t equate the homophobia and misogyny which was present all over the western world ( not just amongst Catholics, but you know that too) in the past with the current levels of abuse through Asia and Africa, because it would make you look stupid.
smacl wrote: » Why not? Homophobia and misogyny have been religiously inspired throughout history and still are today. Religion has been the perennial excuse for barbaric behaviour through the ages but as societies become more civilised this behaviour is no longer tolerated. Israel Folau being sanctioned for preaching homophobia is an example of this. Being a famous rugby player or devout Christian is not considered an acceptable excuse for homophobia in our society and rightly so.
splinter65 wrote: » I’ve read this post 3 times and I don’t understand what your response is. I asked you not to compare the misogyny and homophobia which was present in recent Irish history to the misogyny and homophobia currently present across vast swathes of Asia and Africa. So you’re saying one of two things in response. That either A. There isn’t really much misogyny/homophobia going on in Africa/Asia, that it’s not really true, or not as bad as people say Or B. Yes it’s bad there, but equally bad here. So which is you’re opinion? Also don’t make me remind you that much more people have died barbarically by far even in the last century because of atheism then religion?
smacl wrote: Why not? Homophobia and misogyny have been religiously inspired throughout history and still are today. Religion has been the perennial excuse for barbaric behaviour through the ages but as societies become more civilised this behaviour is no longer tolerated. Israel Folau being sanctioned for preaching homophobia is an example of this. Being a famous rugby player or devout Christian is not considered an acceptable excuse for homophobia in our society and rightly so.
eagle eye wrote: » Israel Folau didn't preach homophobia.
Hedgelayer wrote: » Ahhh but the atheists will have an excuse for all those killungs you mentioned, the atheist is very clever. They'll created an oxymoron in a debate about that, turn the discussion into a spaghetti monster with a scouse perm. Tie you up in knots, gaslight the **** out of you and then they'll be posting away and all the sock puppets will be thanking each other for the responses. So just say it was in the last century people who hadn't any religious influence slaughtered innocent people. And it wasn't because they were atheists, it was because they were killers.... Shooshhh don't say it was because of atheism, some posters will take it personal....
Hedgelayer wrote: » Im pikeaphobia I hate pike especially when im spinning for salmon, a pike should be dispatched humanely with a heavy priest on the head and thrown into the nearest Bush...
smacl wrote: Saying that gay people will suffer for all eternity unless they stop being gay is homophobia. Saying it to a large audience on a religious pretext is preaching it.
eagle eye wrote: » Well I disagree. Firstly he is asking them to repent so they don't go to hell, that's not homophobia. Secondly he is not preaching to the world, he is only talking to all the people he regards as sinners. As for this homophobia word, how can a word with phobia mean anything other than fear? It's not correct.
batgoat wrote: Phobia includes fear or aversion, the aversion being a 'hatred' so yep I think you're getting incredibly pedantic about a word that is pretty clearly defined.
eagle eye wrote: » Well call me pedantic but phobia doesn't mean aversion, at least not in the hatred sense. It's dislike or even hatred due to fear. The word relates solely to fear.
Bogwoppit wrote: » The last time Folau was warned about his comments he said he’d gladly walk away from any contract if he was told not to air them in public. He didn’t care about the money apparently. There was less than a year left on his contract at the time. This time he’s doing anything but walk away, why? There’s 3 years left on his contract at 1 million dollars a year. Guess what? He’s refusing to walk away. Just shows how much conviction this scumbag has in his own beliefs.
Cabaal wrote: You can't repent for what you are and how you were born.
eagle eye wrote: » You are not worth taking seriously due to the insults. So don't expect a response.
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