looks like English,Irish,Math and Wellbeing will be only core JC subjects/programmes

Yes because standardised exams where we memorise a load of crap, splurge it out on a page and then promptly forget for the remainder of our lives is great preparation for a life in the workforce.

Oh no. They might change the pointless system of subjects and exams, HOW HORRIBLE QUICK LETS GET OUR PANTIES IN A COLLECTIVE BUNCH!!!

Looks alright to me.

suicide_circus wrote: »

"wellbeing" is something learned from your family and community not from a doss class in school.

What if your family and community are crap though?

seamus wrote: »

Here:
https://www.ncca.ie/media/2487/wellbeingguidelines_forjunior_cycle.pdf

It's a lame name, but seems like a pretty broad and crucial programme. Covers physical health (exercise and nutrition) as well as mental health, social rights & responsibilities, financial planning, etc etc.

I'm sure the naysayers here were picturing some hippy in long flowing robes lighting candles while the kids all lay on the ground with their eyes closed.

Get out of here with your information. There's outrage to be had!

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Just following the global trend of dismantling the humanities subjects. No one will be able to question or think critically in the future.

Totally agree. The atrophy of the humanities is one of the most short sighted flaws of education systems at the moment. We seem to have forgotten we're human and try and treat everything like a binary system. And I'm a complete STEM nerd in background, thinking and work life.

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

"Wellbeing" ???
"Wellbeing" being, at all.
Let along being a subject.
Let alone let alone being a compulsory subject.

Oh mein Gott in Himmel. WTF is going on in our schools? Are they really that far out of kilter. No wonder schools are pumping out storms of snowflakes. No wonder kids are clueless and unable to withstand a pebble obstructing their perfect path without flaking out. I didnt know society was gone that far off the rails.

Not sure exactly where I stand on it as a subject but it's an indictment of parenting/family life which is very sad.

seamus wrote: »

Here:
https://www.ncca.ie/media/2487/wellbeingguidelines_forjunior_cycle.pdf

It's a lame name, but seems like a pretty broad and crucial programme. Covers physical health (exercise and nutrition) as well as mental health, social rights & responsibilities, financial planning, etc etc.

I'm sure the naysayers here were picturing some hippy in long flowing robes lighting candles while the kids all lay on the ground with their eyes closed.

Well the colours and fonts used in that document already point to the hippy attitude.
All they needed was throw in a few incense stick images to complete the vibe.

Did they get someone in junior cycle to put the damn thing together. :rolleyes:

I do think there is a need to prepare students for normal adult life and the rigors they will face in an ever changing world, but the look of that document already point to a Kum ba yah sing a long.

BASHIR wrote: »

I'm also torn as to whether History must be a core subject.
Is it practical to teach history as reference points in other studies for instance mention Archimedes in engineering class or the the concepts fascists or socialist in cultural studies.

I wouldn't particularly care if my daughter couldn't tell me the date the battle of Waterloo happened or exactly when rome fell but to know of them I guess is important.

To be fair, how the hell are they expected to get to grips with stuff like northern Ireland without history?

sk8erboii wrote: »

Lol

You got a chip on your shoulder old man?

Thank f*ck your generation is going to die out soon.

Thanks for proving the point with your fabulous reading comprehension, ye feckin thick

BASHIR wrote: »

You know what that is true, but can I ask what age you were when you fully understood the conflict?
I honestly don't think I understood it fully when I was 15 16.
what I'm trying to get at is, is it possible to incorporate history into other teaching methods/subjects.

I'm just asking questions as I said I'm not convinced either way.

You know what they say about those who fail to learn from history dont you? It is impossible to learn from history if they dont teach it in school. History is as important a subject as maths or science. I say that as a total science nerd.

Pherekydes wrote: »

They already do that. It's called algebra. :pac:

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Greek. That’s the problem with no history classes.

Kara Chubby Sunset wrote: »

Babylonians actually.

I think it depends on what you call Algebra exactly. From reading a few histories of Algebra different authors define it slightly differently and take any of these cultures as having arrived at it first. Although the common view is Persia.

The Babylonians had numerical methods for computing squares and powers for working with geometry, but they lacked the actual concepts in clear detail.

The Classical Greeks came up with a way of encoding algebraic problems as a geometric problem. They came up with many algebraic questions, but for them they were all "really" geometric problems.

Later Romanised Greeks, especially Diophantus, did begin to pull it out of being a way of dealing with geometry but they were still focused on numbers rather than viewing the equations as things in themselves.

The Brāhmasphuṭasiddhānta in India is on a similar level to Diophantus. Advanced, not concerned solely with shapes, but still viewed equations as something that come up when trying to deal with numbers, rather than things in themselves.

It was the Persian Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi that actually first developed a theory of equations as entities in themselves and study their behaviour and properties.

Fourier wrote: »

...It was the Persian Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi that actually first developed a theory of equations as entities in themselves and studied their behaviour and properties.

"The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing", the Arabic translation of which features al-jabr, or "the reunion of broken parts". Interestingly, for a good while after the word entered English as "algebra", it referred to bone-setting.

BASHIR wrote: »

You know what after looking at the curriculum I believe it should be a core subject.
I think it has changed dramatically from my junior cert days particularly the critical thinking part rather than being a remembering what happened when exercise.

Good talk

The mini-discussion about algebra is another example of the sort of thing that would be lost if everyone studied Wellbeing instead of history.

BASHIR wrote: »

Exactly. I hated history when I was in JC combination of bad teacher bad curriculum. Remembering dates and people for no apparent reason other it would be on an exam. But discussing theories and beliefs of historic people/politics is something I would thoroughly enjoy.

TBF I don't have an issue with wellbeing being subject either :cool:

Well, you do need a certain amount of what-happened-when-and-where properly to anchor the thing in context, but yeah, history can and should be fun, informative and useful.