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When did Gemma O Doherty go batshyt crazy?

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  • #2852
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Edgware wrote: »
    You were there once and are an expert. Of course there were Irish pubs where Irish people gathered. That is where they felt comfortable. The ordinary Irishman and Irishwoman in London wasnt being invited up to Notting Hill dinner parties to mingle with the Tories and pseudo socialists of the Labour Party.
    Go through Kilburn Cricklewood Kentish Town now and while there is the odd sign of the Irish it is mostly East European shops and people now

    I lived in London for 10 years working with community groups - including Irish ones - for various organisations like L.B. Hackney, Greater London Council, and Inner London Education Authority and that makes me an expert.

    I can assure you there were many Irish in both Notting Hill and in the Tory Party. Baroness Detta O'Cathain was a staunch Thatcherite and now sits in the House of Lords.
    Ironic that you come in here all guns firing about the Irish gathered where they felt comfortable but when non Irish do that in Ireland they are accused of not integrating.


  • #2853
    rgossip30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Could you please show your calculation behind that claim?
    . https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-could-be-minority-ethnic-group-here-by-2050-professor-1.424517. This is a prediction for 2050 , I did not give a year.


  • #2854
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,708 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Edgware wrote: »
    You were there once and are an expert. Of course there were Irish pubs where Irish people gathered. That is where they felt comfortable. The ordinary Irishman and Irishwoman in London wasnt being invited up to Notting Hill dinner parties to mingle with the Tories and pseudo socialists of the Labour Party.
    Go through Kilburn Cricklewood Kentish Town now and while there is the odd sign of the Irish it is mostly East European shops and people now

    I would suspect that is a generational and socioeconomic issue. I lived in London for 5 years, often went to The Crown, National etc in the late 80’s to mid 90’s. I had a lot of friends there, still have a few. During the boom years here a lot came home because there were contraction jobs. The younger guys started heading to Australia, Canada, US etc rather than London. So the Eastern Europeans took their place. Nothing wrong with that, they did what the Irish had been doing for the previous 100 years.


  • #2855
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,923 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    . https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-could-be-minority-ethnic-group-here-by-2050-professor-1.424517. This is a prediction for 2050 , I did not give a year.

    "Unpublished UK-based research, which he does not identify, "

    Hummmm...... Not very kosher


  • #2856
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    "Unpublished UK-based research, which he does not identify, "

    Hummmm...... Not very kosher

    In fairness, the researcher later points out that it may not necessarily be accurate and that for Ireland to do some weird blocks on immigration would stagnate our economy.


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  • #2857
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,923 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    batgoat wrote: »
    In fairness, the researcher later points out that it may not necessarily be accurate and that for Ireland to do some weird blocks on immigration would stagnate our economy.

    Yeah, a point that has been made over and over. We need inward migration to ensure our aging population doesn't completely break the countries economy.

    Racists don't like to admit that


  • #2858
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    OneEightSeven wrote: »
    Well, that's not quite true. Between 1998 and 2004 we allowed jus soli and had a problem with pregnant women arriving here and laying down anchor babies so their children would automatically gain citizenship.

    Today we still have illegal immigrants masquerading as asylum seekers coming here to game the asylum system.

    Now here's the thing, some cultures are less evolved than others as they still practice backward things, like child grooming for example. There are countless Pakistani Muslim child grooming gangs in Northern England, who are praying on underage chav girls, by giving them drugs, alcohol and then having sex with them.


    You say them adapting to our culture is none of our business. Would you still utter those sentiments if you had a daughter who was targeted by these gangs?

    You don't even have to look to England, there are Africans who bring their daughters to backdoor doctors or back home to Africa to undergo female genital mutilation. Do we ignore this? Is this none of our business either?

    It's actually open to interpretation, hence the reason why Japan and Korea take in feck all refugees.

    You mean Britain produced a hell of a lot of economic refugees. Food was still being exported when were starving to death. Most of our population decline was under British rule.

    You're using accents as a measure of how well people are integrating?

    Black Africans have an employment rate of 40%, versus 65% of the general population.

    We have the second-highest rate per capita of Muslims joining ISIS. I doubt many of them are from EU countries and I doubt many of them are indigenous to Europe, Lisa Smith and Terry (Kaliid) Kelly being the obvious exceptions.

    We have gangs of African youths carrying out violent muggings and beatings in various towns in North County Dublin. A 14-year-old in my hometown was left for dead a few weeks ago. I don't see any gangs of German or Eastern European youths doing this.

    The last example is anecdotal, but I'd say EU migrants are integrating a lot better than non-EU.

    How many children were granted citizenship under jus soli exactly?
    Even if it was 1000 it was still controlled - the child had to be born in Ireland meaning a pregnant woman had to be in the country at the time. Hardly an "open borders" policy.

    It is not for you to decide if those seeking asylum are genuine or not.
    We are signatories to the Geneva Convention on Refugees and therefore have a legal obligation to investigate each case. That is the law. The fact that our system is lengthy and cumbersome benefits no one but those making vast profits due to running Direst Provision Centres.

    As another poster pointed out - if you are going to target one entire section of people because some of them groomed and abused children then we shouldn't let a member of the RCC clergy any where near our country. I never let one of them near my son as it happens.

    FGM is a reason to claim asylum you know - so are those asylum seekers genuine or not?

    Try reading an actual scholarly history book about the build up to
    the Famine and learn something that make shock you.

    And no, I didn't claim accents were an indication of level of integration - I mocked that very assertion after the poster I was responding to said "I usually reserve where a person is from until I hear them speak". Try reading things properly next time.


  • #2859
    rgossip30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    A
    sydthebeat wrote: »
    "Unpublished UK-based research, which he does not identify, "

    Hummmm...... Not very kosher

    The article was written by the President of DCU at the time and quoted in other msm ! I suggest if are such an expert dispute it with him.


  • #2860
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    A

    The article was written by the President of DCU at the time and quoted in other msm ! I suggest if are such an expert dispute it with him.

    "msm".

    Cringe.


  • #2861
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,719 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    A

    The article was written by the President of DCU at the time and quoted in other msm ! I suggest if are such an expert dispute it with him.


    When I said 'show the calculation', I meant 'show the calculation'. He doesn't show the calculation, the article doesn't show the calculation, the research isn't identified or published - so anyone who accepts it is taking it as an 'act of faith' rather than a verifiable fact or even an expert opinion.


    It's nonsense really.


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  • #2862
    rgossip30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    How many children were granted citizenship under jus soli exactly?
    Even if it was 1000 it was still controlled - the child had to be born in Ireland meaning a pregnant woman had to be in the country at the time. Hardly an "open borders" policy.

    It is not for you to decide if those seeking asylum are genuine or not.
    We are signatories to the Geneva Convention on Refugees and therefore have a legal obligation to investigate each case. That is the law. The fact that our system is lengthy and cumbersome benefits no one but those making vast profits due to running Direst Provision Centres.

    As another poster pointed out - if you are going to target one entire section of people because some of them groomed and abused children then we shouldn't let a member of the RCC clergy any where near our country. I never let one of them near my son as it happens.

    FGM is a reason to claim asylum you know - so are those asylum seekers genuine or not?

    Try reading an actual scholarly history book about the build up to
    the Famine and learn something that make shock you.

    And no, I didn't claim accents were an indication of level of integration - I mocked that very assertion after the poster I was responding to said "I usually reserve where a person is from until I hear them speak". Try reading things properly next time.

    https://www.persee.fr/doc/irlan_0183-973x_2007_num_32_2_1798. This is now difficult to find in 2001 6500 and 2002 8620 applicants scroll to page 33 . I did see the total number at the time was 17k. I also ask them where they are from on the subject of accents ha ha.
    I look at statistics for the numbers too.


  • #2863
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    When I said 'show the calculation', I meant 'show the calculation'. He doesn't show the calculation, the article doesn't show the calculation, the research isn't identified or published - so anyone who accepts it is taking it as an 'act of faith' rather than a verifiable fact or even an expert opinion.


    It's nonsense really.

    I think you may be overestimating the intelligence of Gammarays supporters by asking for detailed information. Post truth is truth to them. They are thickos. Shes appealing to the lowest levels in society.

    And still failing.


  • #2864
    rgossip30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    When I said 'show the calculation', I meant 'show the calculation'. He doesn't show the calculation, the article doesn't show the calculation, the research isn't identified or published - so anyone who accepts it is taking it as an 'act of faith' rather than a verifiable fact or even an expert opinion.


    It's nonsense really.

    Your opinion is far from expert .


  • #2865
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,719 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    Your opinion is far from expert .
    I completely agree with you.


    And same for yourself too, right?



    Which is why it would be important to see the actual basis for the supposed claim.


  • #2866
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    https://www.persee.fr/doc/irlan_0183-973x_2007_num_32_2_1798. This is now difficult to find in 2001 6500 and 2002 8620 applicants scroll to page 33 . I did see the total number at the time was 17k. I also ask them where they are from on the subject of accents ha ha.
    I look at statistics for the numbers too.

    6,500 applications in 2001 rising to 8, 620 in 2002 - applications came from a combination of asylum seekers (so people already in the system),people here on work permits (legal immigrant workers), and an unspecified amount of people here illegally.

    At the point the door was shut - effectively stating that children entitled to Irish citizenship under the law had a choice between staying in Ireland without their non-Irish parents or leaving the country of their birth and citizenship until such time as they could return as adults there was 10, 500 applications pending. Hardly a floodgates.

    And none of that answers the question as to how exactly many women deliberately came to Ireland to specifically give birth to a child whose citizenship rights they could then use as a way to gain leave to remain.

    Compare that to applications for Irish citizenship through descent - this article is from Jan 2018:
    The overall number of applications for citizenship through FBR rose above 22,000 this year, with increases across all regions.

    The biggest regional rise was seen in applications from people born in Great Britain, which grew by 95% on 2016.

    To date, some 13,004 applications from Great Britain have been received, compared to just 6,639 last year.

    There were also significant increases in the numbers of applicants from the United States (up 33%) and South Africa (up 30%).

    The number of persons applying for the FBR has more than tripled in four years.

    In 2016, just 8,212 new entries were added to the register, while the most the recent figures show that 17,836 people were added in 2017.
    https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-passport-citizenship-3775936-Jan2018/


  • #2867
    rgossip30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    6,500 applications in 2001 rising to 8, 620 in 2002 - applications came from a combination of asylum seekers (so people already in the system),people here on work permits (legal immigrant workers), and an unspecified amount of people here illegally.

    At the point the door was shut - effectively stating that children entitled to Irish citizenship under the law had a choice between staying in Ireland without their non-Irish parents or leaving the country of their birth and citizenship until such time as they could return as adults there was 10, 500 applications pending. Hardly a floodgates.

    And none of that answers the question as to how exactly many women deliberately came to Ireland to specifically give birth to a child whose citizenship rights they could then use as a way to gain leave to remain.

    Compare that to applications for Irish citizenship through descent - this article is from Jan 2018:

    https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-passport-citizenship-3775936-Jan2018/

    Yes another aspect that needs to be looked at as one grandparent apart from a parent is enough to get Irish citizenship.An old law going back to 1956 a new amended when the population was in decline to boost immigration.


  • #2868
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    Yes another aspect that needs to be looked at as one grandparent apart from a parent is enough to get Irish citizenship.

    Can you demonstrate a tangible negative impact to it? Rather than you just not liking foreigners..


  • #2869
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    Yes another aspect that needs to be looked at as one grandparent apart from a parent is enough to get Irish citizenship.

    Then who would play soccer for us eh?

    But that aside I am still waiting for the figures detailing the extent of the alleged tsunami of pregnant women rushing through our arrival gates over 15 years ago so they could pop out an Irish sprog and get leave to remain that way.


  • #2870
    rgossip30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    batgoat wrote: »
    Can you demonstrate a tangible negative impact to it? Rather than you just not liking foreigners..
    . There is no vetting for those who squire citizenship .https://www.foxnews.com/us/john-walker-lindh-american-ex-taliban-militant-obtained-irish-citizenship-thanks-to-his-irish-grandmother
    The increased competition for jobs as housing . I never said I dislike foreigners . QUOTEnasidhe;109927983]Then who would play soccer for us eh?

    But that aside I am still waiting for the figures detailing the extent of the alleged tsunami of pregnant women rushing through our arrival gates over 15 years ago so they could pop out an Irish sprog and get leave to remain that way.[/QUOTE]

    I don't have to provide any more figures than those already shown I never made that claim about a tsunamiso put a sock in it.


  • #2871
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    batgoat wrote: »
    Can you demonstrate a tangible negative impact to it? Rather than you just not liking foreigners..

    Perhaps it's only some foreigners that they have a problem with.

    Pretty much like the guy my brother works with. Their kids are Irish, but the kids of say people from Poland who were born here are Polish not Irish.
    The logic is a little warped.


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  • #2872
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    . There is no vetting for those who squire citizenship .https://www.foxnews.com/us/john-walker-lindh-american-ex-taliban-militant-obtained-irish-citizenship-thanks-to-his-irish-grandmother
    The increased competition for jobs as housing . I never said I dislike foreigners . QUOTEnasidhe;109927983]Then who would play soccer for us eh?

    But that aside I am still waiting for the figures detailing the extent of the alleged tsunami of pregnant women rushing through our arrival gates over 15 years ago so they could pop out an Irish sprog and get leave to remain that way.

    I don't have to provide any more figures than those already shown I never made that claim about a tsunamiso put a sock in it.[/QUOTE]

    Put a sock in it?

    But what about my right to freeeeee speeeeech?!?!?!


  • #2873
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,719 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    rgossip30 wrote: »

    I don't have to provide any more figures than those already shown I never made that claim about a tsunamiso put a sock in it.

    You did state that native Irish would be outnumbered by 2050 despite a complete absence of any supporting evidence


  • #2874
    rgossip30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I don't have to provide any more figures than those already shown I never made that claim about a tsunamiso put a sock in it.

    Put a sock in it?

    But what about my right to freeeeee speeeeech?!?!?![/QUOTE]

    Go ahead.


  • #2875
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    rgossip30 wrote: »

    Go ahead.

    Don't actually require your permission.

    Just pointing out the irony of you telling me to be quiet because you don't like what I'm saying when you Gemma fanboys get all hot and bothered when people tell her to put a sock in it = Gemma herself just blocks them and tries to silence people that way.

    So much irony.


  • #2876
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    You did state that native Irish would be outnumbered by 2050 despite a complete absence of any supporting evidence




    ...based on a 14 year old article in the times. It reports that somebody from DCU has extrapolated from unpublished research that we will be outnumbered with ethnic Chinese being the largest single group.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109927351&postcount=2853


  • #2877
    Sheeps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭Sheeps


    Odhinn wrote: »
    ...based on a 14 year old article in the times. It reports that somebody from DCU has extrapolated from unpublished research that we will be outnumbered with ethnic Chinese being the largest single group.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109927351&postcount=2853

    Hahah


  • #2878
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Odhinn wrote: »
    ...based on a 14 year old article in the times. It reports that somebody from DCU has extrapolated from unpublished research that we will be outnumbered with ethnic Chinese being the largest single group.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109927351&postcount=2853

    Loved the guys typical Irish name
    Ireland's native population could be in a minority by the middle of this century, the president of Dublin City University (DCU) will claim today. But large-scale immigration is still essential if we are to remain prosperous, Prof Ferdinand von Prondzynski will say.


  • #2879
    Patty Hearst
    Closed Accounts Posts: 290 ✭✭Patty Hearst


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Loved the guys typical Irish name

    "Typical Irish name" Are you a racist or something?


  • #2880
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Loved the guys typical Irish name

    Ferdinand von Prondzynski himself being a child immigrant to Ireland from Germany whole family moved over for a few years in the early 1960s. I seem to recall there was a bit of a controversy when an academic in DCU was fired for positing in a blog post that von Prondzynski's father was a member of the Nazi Party (he fought for Germany in WWII). von Prondzynski absolutely denied this allegation.
    If memory serves the academic was awarded a payment for unfair dismissal by the WRC but not re-instated.


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  • #2881
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Patty Hearst wrote: »
    "Typical Irish name" Are you a racist or something?

    I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of someone using a report about immigration by an immigrant, the whooshhhh sound must have been deafening for you.


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