Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

RobertKK · 11-04-2019 06:32PM

LBC is both a great radio station and potentially dangerous...

Last night I was awake it was around 3am, I had a late night...a caller from Cornwall rang up to say Cornwall needs to become an independent country so they can leave the EU and the 17.4 million voters are welcome to move there.
Darren Adam the presenter was in disbelief at the caller.

At the moment there is a caller on the Nigel Farage show comparing remainers who talk to people in charge in the EU to people who helped Nazis in WW2.
Nigel Farage did zero to shutdown this talk.

Frank Bullitt · 11-04-2019 06:39PM

https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1116338241081311232

You'd almost feel sorry for Sammy...almost.

RobertKK · 11-04-2019 06:47PM

The UK is closing down their no deal planning section of the civil service according to Sky news.

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1116391388638318597

Infini · 11-04-2019 07:09PM

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1116338241081311232

You'd almost feel sorry for Sammy...almost.

Karma is a bitch aint it? Also if it see's him put back in his padded room all the better!

lawred2 · 11-04-2019 07:14PM

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1116338241081311232

You'd almost feel sorry for Sammy...almost.

So it looks like some Irish people will eventually end up under the bus... Just not the group of Irish people the DUP expected.

LeinsterDub · 11-04-2019 07:25PM

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1116391894244835329

So any deal was in fact better than no deal.

Headshot · 11-04-2019 07:26PM

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1116338241081311232

You'd almost feel sorry for Sammy...almost.

Well done Mrs May about time

It's amazing how the Conservatives have turned on the DUP, even their supposed loyal friends in the ERG are fed up of them.

The DUP have really made a balls of the greats cards they were given, NI could of had the best of both worlds and the economy could of grown so much but they just coudnt get over their strange fanatical relationship with England.

Laois_Man · 11-04-2019 07:27PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The UK is closing down their no deal planning section of the civil service according to Sky news.

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1116391388638318597

After spending £4 billion already?

This is only damaging to themselves if they don't do something constructive to either cancel brexit or get out in an orderly way. The notion that these extensions will continue for years until some fruitcake gets elected over there fills me with dread

First Up · 11-04-2019 07:27PM

Headshot wrote:

The DUP have really made a balls of the greats cards they were given, NI could of had the best of both worlds and the economy could of grown so much but they just coudnt get over their strange fanatical relationship with England.

More their hatred of the Republic.

steddyeddy · 11-04-2019 07:30PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0411/1042149-foster-barnier-meeting/?fbclid=IwAR2LVQcaEUy9FpWqV7YsJzegcfEtz10u4O5C1DUtObsMUrB5Iuip6NW-VzY

Arlene and the DUP are telling Barnier that unionists don't want the backstop. It's bewildering to me that the DUP, an extremist party in Northern Ireland are negotiating for all of Northern Ireland, a region which voted to remain in the EU. Not only are they the only proponents of leave in Northern Ireland, they're one of the most extreme Brexit party in the UK and potentially they're driving the UK towards a hard Brexit.

Europe needs to hear and understand unionist concerns about the Northern Ireland backstop, Arlene Foster has said.

In a meeting in Brussels, the Democratic Unionist leader told EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier that unionists in the region opposed the Withdrawal Agreement because of the contentious mechanism.

Afterwards, she warned that the UK and EU would move "inexorably towards a no-deal scenario" if changes to the backstop were not made.

Mrs Foster contends that the EU has ignored the feelings of unionists on the issue, and has instead been influenced by the pro-backstop lobbying of Irish nationalists.

Sardonicat · 11-04-2019 07:33PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0411/1042149-foster-barnier-meeting/?fbclid=IwAR2LVQcaEUy9FpWqV7YsJzegcfEtz10u4O5C1DUtObsMUrB5Iuip6NW-VzY

Arlene and the DUP are telling Barnier that unionists don't want the backstop. It's bewildering to me that the DUP, an extremist party in Northern Ireland are negotiating for all of Northern Ireland, a region which voted to remain in the EU. Not only are they the only proponents of leave in Northern Ireland, they're one of the most extreme Brexit party in the UK and potentially they're driving the UK towards a hard Brexit.

Europe needs to hear and understand unionist concerns about the Northern Ireland backstop, Arlene Foster has said.

In a meeting in Brussels, the Democratic Unionist leader told EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier that unionists in the region opposed the Withdrawal Agreement because of the contentious mechanism.

Afterwards, she warned that the UK and EU would move "inexorably towards a no-deal scenario" if changes to the backstop were not made.

Mrs Foster contends that the EU has ignored the feelings of unionists on the issue, and has instead been influenced by the pro-backstop lobbying of Irish nationalists.

Surely she's on a hiding to nothing there? They'll tell her where to go, won't they?

Mr.Nice Guy · 11-04-2019 07:53PM

RobertKK wrote: »

LBC is both a great radio station and potentially dangerous...

Last night I was awake it was around 3am, I had a late night...a caller from Cornwall rang up to say Cornwall needs to become an independent country so they can leave the EU and the 17.4 million voters are welcome to move there.
Darren Adam the presenter was in disbelief at the caller.

At the moment there is a caller on the Nigel Farage show comparing remainers who talk to people in charge in the EU to people who helped Nazis in WW2.
Nigel Farage did zero to shutdown this talk.

Funnily enough I heard similar when listening to BBC's Nolan show earlier. Caller lashes out at 'smug Varadkar' and falsely says Ireland were one of the countries during the war that helped Nazi Germany ruin Europe. The stand-in host Vinny Hurrell doesn't even correct this trash. Can be heard here at 37:30...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0003yyg

Jim2007 · 11-04-2019 07:59PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0411/1042149-foster-barnier-meeting/?fbclid=IwAR2LVQcaEUy9FpWqV7YsJzegcfEtz10u4O5C1DUtObsMUrB5Iuip6NW-VzY

Arlene and the DUP are telling Barnier that unionists don't want the backstop. It's bewildering to me that the DUP, an extremist party in Northern Ireland are negotiating for all of Northern Ireland, a region which voted to remain in the EU. Not only are they the only proponents of leave in Northern Ireland, they're one of the most extreme Brexit party in the UK and potentially they're driving the UK towards a hard Brexit.

Well first of all she is not negotiating for anyone, Barnier is only meeting her out of curtesy. And the second thinking is that negotiations are over, the EU have no intentions of opening it up again unless the UK government shifts very dramatically from their current position.

Spanish Eyes · 11-04-2019 08:00PM

Would have been a great investment to give each DUP member a million quid to move to UK and leave NI and give up their seats.

Sorry now, but that is half joke, whole in earnest.

I do realise it is aspirational, but at this stage I am at the end of my tether with that crowd.

The only good thing to come of it is the diplomatic silence from our own Government. And they played it right IMO.

Akrasia · 11-04-2019 08:09PM

Cryptopagan wrote: »

I still can’t accept that counting my 7th preference is empowering. Personally I don’t list my preferences so far down the ballot, as I don’t see ranking my least preferred candidates as very meaningful.

You should always fill out the full ballot just so you can put the candidate you definitely don't want to win as your last preference. This way PRSTV allows you to both vote for who you want to win as well as against who you want to lose.

serfboard · 11-04-2019 08:09PM

Jim2007 wrote: »

Barnier is only meeting her out of curtesy.

Yeah, I can imagine Barnier saying to himself: "Oh God, do I have to meet this one again", and then mentally switching off during Arlene's ranting only to finish the meeting by thanking her for coming to meet him, telling her that he'll "take her concerns on board" and instantly forgetting everything she said.

Akrasia · 11-04-2019 08:21PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The UK is closing down their no deal planning section of the civil service according to Sky news.

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1116391388638318597

The most expensive bluff in modern political history

First Up · 11-04-2019 08:23PM

Akrasia wrote:

You should always fill out the full ballot just so you can put the candidate you definitely don't want to win as your last preference. This way PRSTV allows you to both vote for who you want to win as well as against who you want to lose.

If you definitely don't want a candidate to win, you shouldn't vote for them.

Leroy42 · 11-04-2019 08:27PM

Akrasia wrote: »

The most expensive bluff in modern political history

It really quite staggering that so little is being raised about this.

There are food banks and schools are having to close early on Fridays to save money and TM wasted all this money on a game of chicken?

lawred2 · 11-04-2019 08:28PM

Akrasia wrote: »

The most expensive bluff in modern political history

Inquiry levels of recklessness and waste really

I'm sure that Brexit has been good for someone

igCorcaigh · 11-04-2019 08:33PM

Akrasia wrote: »

You should always fill out the full ballot just so you can put the candidate you definitely don't want to win as your last preference. This way PRSTV allows you to both vote for who you want to win as well as against who you want to lose.

I used to vote down the line like that, but no more. Any vote is an endorsement.

I do love the PR system though. Imagine the change in UK and US if they had it.

FrancieBrady · 11-04-2019 08:34PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0411/1042149-foster-barnier-meeting/?fbclid=IwAR2LVQcaEUy9FpWqV7YsJzegcfEtz10u4O5C1DUtObsMUrB5Iuip6NW-VzY

Arlene and the DUP are telling Barnier that unionists don't want the backstop. It's bewildering to me that the DUP, an extremist party in Northern Ireland are negotiating for all of Northern Ireland, a region which voted to remain in the EU. Not only are they the only proponents of leave in Northern Ireland, they're one of the most extreme Brexit party in the UK and potentially they're driving the UK towards a hard Brexit.

Nobody is listening to the DUP in the UK now, never mind Europe. They played their card and lost.

serfboard · 11-04-2019 08:34PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

It really quite staggering that so little is being raised about this.

There are food banks and schools are having to close early on Fridays to save money and TM wasted all this money on a game of chicken?

I'd say James O'Brien will be all over this tomorrow morning using exactly the same arguments as you have.

igCorcaigh · 11-04-2019 08:35PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Inquiry levels of recklessness and waste really

I'm sure that Brexit has been good for someone

Lot of bets made by the likes of Mogg. If it doesn't come through, I'll be happy enough for that reason alone.

Capt'n Midnight · 11-04-2019 08:44PM

Headshot wrote: »

The DUP have really made a balls of the greats cards they were given, NI could of had the best of both worlds and the economy could of grown so much but they just coudnt get over their strange fanatical relationship with England.

Unless it's a cunning plan to collapse Brexit and maintain the status quo.

Maybe it's May's plan ?

And if you believe any of the above I could probably sell you this bridge.

Having said that May will be happy to be on the winning side and the DUP will be happy to have fought the good fight ( while preserving the status quo )

trashcan · 11-04-2019 09:11PM

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1116338241081311232

You'd almost feel sorry for Sammy...almost.

Fair play to May, for once (but credit where it's due) I didn't think she had that in her, and wee Sammy sitting there with a face like a well scelped arse. Nice

Zubeneschamali · 11-04-2019 09:23PM

Anteayer wrote: »

If you read my post (a little further back up the page). I didn't suggest that booting the UK out is a solution.

I was criticizing Macron, not you.

BarryD2 · 11-04-2019 09:28PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

And that is a major danger of how the EU is handling this whole process. They are giving the impression that they are willing to put up with all sorts of messing because the costs to them are so high. I think this latest extension, since it is clearly a fudge, will come back to bite the EU.

I think the EU are/were trying to strike a balance between giving the UK enough time to come to an agreed solution and getting sucked into the poison chamber of Tory politics.

So the EU leaders couldn't reasonably just say 'be gone on Friday' as too close, so had to be some sort of extension. I thought they might go for a shorter one than they did on basis of what you say - the next few months could easily be eaten up in procrastination & recrimination. At least a short extension would have focused the mind and put it up to the UK at the outside risk of a No Deal, which the HoC don't want. Macron saw it.

BarryD2 · 11-04-2019 09:32PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

It's bewildering to me that the DUP, an extremist party in Northern Ireland are negotiating for all of Northern Ireland, a region which voted to remain in the EU. Not only are they the only proponents of leave in Northern Ireland, they're one of the most extreme Brexit party in the UK and potentially they're driving the UK towards a hard Brexit.

It is extraordinary how they have become the main voice for our Northern Irish friends. If you're not in, you can't win.

Thargor · 11-04-2019 10:12PM

Why does Sammy Wilson get to speak so much in the Commons? There are hundreds of MPs we never hear from, he seems to get a question every time they sit...

Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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