Micky Jackson in trouble again

AllForIt · 07-04-2019 05:02AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Haad it and the Beatles trounce MJ, easily. One step ahead of their contemporaries, completely ahead of their time in some of the music they produced, music that stands the test of time and is varied, with wide-reaching and thought-provoking subjects. This band produced ‘A Day In The Life’, ‘Eleanor Rigby’ and ‘Tomorrow Never Knows’. The last one wouldn’t have been out of place 30 years later. Three vastly different, interesting songs. And I would be amazed if they didn’t have more fans than MJ. He’s the 8 to their 10, if even.

Edit: The Beatles represented a societal change no doubt, but their music is long lost. Imagine.

Teepinaw · 07-04-2019 07:51AM

Sorry I haven't read all posts.

Have you watched the 30 minute documentary
Neverland Firsthand?

https://youtu.be/m4trDbeFWTY

hetuzozaho · 07-04-2019 09:02AM

Teepinaw wrote: »

Sorry I haven't read all posts.

Have you watched the 30 minute documentary
Neverland Firsthand?

https://youtu.be/m4trDbeFWTY

5 mins in, Brandi describing how her and Wade got together..... Michael being a 9yr old Wade's wingman? Not sure I can make the 30mins

hetuzozaho · 07-04-2019 09:18AM

Is Taj wearing an MJ (as in Michael Jackson) hat ?

ceadaoin. · 07-04-2019 09:25AM

Sorry but the Beatles music is "long lost" ? Hahaha. That's all that can be said about that

Teepinaw · 07-04-2019 09:31AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

5 mins in, Brandi describing how her and Wade got together..... Michael being a 9yr old Wade's wingman? Not sure I can make the 30mins

They do say that Wade's mum was there!

Teepinaw · 07-04-2019 09:33AM

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

A new documentary about alleged abuse is going to be screened at Sundance amid death threats.
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2019/0125/1025482-police-on-high-alert-for-michael-jackson-doc-screening/

I have to admit that even in the current climate I'm still skeptical of the motivation behind the allegations aimed at Michael Jackson.
Yes he was a complete wacko but still he's one of the greatest musicians of the last century. His "wackyness" I'm sympathetic to due to his exploitation at the hands of his parents and then the music industry and media.

Have a watch of this
https://youtu.be/m4trDbeFWTY

hetuzozaho · 07-04-2019 09:43AM

Teepinaw wrote: »

They do say that Wade's mum was there!

It's all a bit odd isn't it?

Finished it now. I kinda just feel sorry for Brandi and Taj, they don't seem "all there" or something to me?
Taj looks like MJs number 1 fan anyway. I'm not sure if he could ever process MJ doing anything he has been accused of. Poor guy.
And Brandi spending 10ish(?) years with a guy who now is potentially lying about her Uncle, who "set them up", about abusing him when he was a kid.
Has to be so tough.

I'm still at, what a mess

Teepinaw · 07-04-2019 10:56AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

It's all a bit odd isn't it?

Finished it now. I kinda just feel sorry for Brandi and Taj, they don't seem "all there" or something to me?
Taj looks like MJs number 1 fan anyway. I'm not sure if he could ever process MJ doing anything he has been accused of. Poor guy.
And Brandi spending 10ish(?) years with a guy who now is potentially lying about her Uncle, who "set them up", about abusing him when he was a kid.
Has to be so tough.

I'm still at, what a mess

I think they appear perfectly normal. Him wearing the hat isn't a crime! It's a show of solidarity in my eyes, that he's not afraid.

I don't think it's unusual to be introduced formally to someone -and for your parents to be around especially when you're 12! and especially when you're in close proximity to a mega star.

The thing that strikes me is there is zero mention of Brandi in the HBO 4 hour documentary. That's a bit fishy considering they were, according to her, very close (boyfriend/girlfriend) from age 12.

Wonder what will come of it all.

hetuzozaho · 07-04-2019 11:12AM

Teepinaw wrote: »

I think they appear perfectly normal.

Yeah probably just me, I just always find Taj a bit odd in interviews I've seen.

Teepinaw wrote: »

Him wearing the hat isn't a crime!

Of course not, just thought it looked funny is all.
It's not often you'd see anyone in MJ gear around anymore, Taj still all about it, fair play to him.

hetuzozaho · 07-04-2019 11:30AM

Teepinaw wrote: »

The thing that strikes me is there is zero mention of Brandi in the HBO 4 hour documentary. That's a bit fishy considering they were, according to her, very close (boyfriend/girlfriend) from age 12.

Yeah strange alright.

This documentary is confusing me too, why is it always Taj is up for an 'ol interview. It says this documentary is released by the Jackson Family, is it that Taj is somehow in charge of that Jackson Family label now (or Jackson Family estate), the doc only contains 1 niece and 1 nephew from family point of view? Why is that? Or is this just Taj's doc and not necessarily supported by the Jackson family? (i'm probably making no sense haha)

I guess this "documentary" is rushed anyway, but it comes across poorly IMO.

Boggles · 07-04-2019 01:42PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Had it in for Jackson = doing his job and trying to get a conviction?

But he didn't do his job, did he? His job first and foremost was that of the DA, he should have tested the veracity of the allegations against the evidence before deciding on going to trial. As it became glaringly obvious quite fast throughout the trial he did neither of those things.

He put a family of grifters on the stand largely because Jackson made fun of him a song.

Virtually every piece of [Sneddon’s] case imploded in open court, and the chief drama of the trial quickly turned into a race to see if the DA could manage to put all of his witnesses on the stand without getting any of them removed from the courthouse in manacles

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Honestly I'd believe the word of people like Sneddon and others who were actually involved in the case. He was a well respected public official,

Really? I think you need to read a bit more up on Sneddon and how he operated his office, start with Gary Dunlap.

Then you can move on to the 14 year old girl Sneddon's colleague admitted to molesting, Tom bizarrely said he couldn't prosecute citing lack of evidence, which didn't seem too much of a barrier in other cases.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

He believed the kids and was trying to do what he was paid to do, nothing more than that.

He didn't believe the kids, their own lawyer didn't believe them according to Larry King.

Sleeper12 · 10-04-2019 09:38PM

It's a shame that they closed the Leaving Neverland thread with the breaking developments. HBO are dropping Leaving Neverland and Oprah deleted her interviews with the alleged "victims" from her YouTube channel, after its been proved that the timescale of the alleged abuse is not possible. HBO didn't fact check the stories closely enough.

ceadaoin. · 10-04-2019 09:43PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's a shame that they closed the Leaving Neverland thread with the breaking developments. HBO are dropping Leaving Neverland and Oprah deleted her interviews with the alleged "victims" from her YouTube channel, after its been proved that the timescale of the alleged abuse is not possible. HBO didn't fact check the stories closely enough.

This is more made up nonsense. I can still watch it on demand with HBO, they are also showing it fairly regularly on their various channels.

Also, still on oprahs website

http://www.oprah.com/search.html?q=leaving+neverland

Sleeper12 · 10-04-2019 09:50PM

ceadaoin. wrote:

This is more made up nonsense. I can still watch it on demand with HBO, they are also showing it fairly regularly on their various channels.

I have HBO myself. I didn't say that it was removed. Its been reported that hbo are dropping it this month instead of the planned September and Oprah removed the interview from her YouTube channel.

It's not made-up nonsense. It's a fact that oprah has removed the interviews from her YouTube channel. They are no longer there. That's fact

ceadaoin. · 10-04-2019 09:59PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I have HBO myself. I didn't say that it was removed. Its been reported that hbo are dropping it this month instead of the planned September and Oprah removed the interview from her YouTube channel.

It's not made-up nonsense. It's a fact that oprah has removed the interviews from her YouTube channel. They are no longer there. That's fact

But they are still on her website. Would they not be removed from there too if it's all lies? Maybe they were sick of the crazy MJ fans on YouTube.

Sleeper12 · 10-04-2019 10:04PM

ceadaoin. wrote:

But they are still on her website. Would they not be removed from there too if it's all lies? Maybe they were sick of the crazy MJ fans on YouTube.

She also deleted all the leaving Neverland tweets. All the ones where she spoke out against Jackson. Gone. Deleted. Fact

ceadaoin. · 10-04-2019 10:15PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

She also deleted all the leaving Neverland tweets. All the ones where she spoke out against Jackson. Gone. Deleted. Fact

But she still has the videos up on her website, where they won't be subjected to an onslaught of abuse and brigading by fans of MJ. Makes sense to me. Who wants to deal with all that? it definitely seems to me like Oprah doesn't want to engage with those people because she claims to stand for victims of sexual abuse and reading that stuff can be harmful to them. Maybe she wants to just let the interviews speak for themselves

Don't you think they would be removed from oprah.com if she wanted to distance herself from them?

Sleeper12 · 10-04-2019 10:31PM

ceadaoin. wrote:

But she still has the videos up on her website, where they won't be subjected to an onslaught of abuse and brigading by fans of MJ. Makes sense to me. Who wants to deal with all that? it definitely seems to me like Oprah doesn't want to engage with those people because she claims to stand for victims of sexual abuse and reading that stuff can be harmful to them. Maybe she wants to just let the interviews speak for themselves

I posted something & you jumped down my throat saying that it was made up nonsense. Its a fact that oprah removed all of her tweets where she condemned Jackson. It's a fact that oprah removed the interview from her YouTube channel. It's a fact that the documentary got the dates of the alleged abuse wrong by a few years. None of that is "made up nonsense".

You should check your facts before labeling posts as "made up nonsense".

Some of the alleged abuse couldn't have taken place where it was claimed to have taken place. According to many posters here he always dropped the "victims" once they hit 13 or 14. If abuse took place in some places claimed then he was "abusing" a 16, 17, 18 or nineteen year old young man. This does not fit the MO laid down so carefully by so many posters on this thread. Hasn't everyone claimed that he was only into pre pubescent boys & discarded them once they hit puberty?

Flippyfloppy · 10-04-2019 10:36PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I posted something & you jumped down my throat saying that it was made up nonsense. Its a fact that oprah removed all of her tweets where she condemned Jackson. It's a fact that oprah removed the interview from her YouTube channel. It's a fact that the documentary got the dates of the alleged abuse wrong by a few years. None of that is "made up nonsense".

You should check your facts before labeling posts as "made up nonsense".

Some of the alleged abuse couldn't have taken place where it was claimed to have taken place. According to many posters here he always dropped the "victims" once they hit 13 or 14. If abuse took place in some places claimed then he was "abusing" a 16, 17, 18 or nineteen year old young man. This does not fit the MO laid down so carefully by so many posters on this thread. Hasn't everyone claimed that he was only into pre pubescent boys & discarded them once they hit puberty?

Just because planning for the second train track was sought in 93 doesn’t mean Jackson waited until then to build it.

There was a train there in 1990 anyway.

Also hbo aren’t dropping the show.

ceadaoin. · 10-04-2019 10:38PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I posted something & you jumped down my throat saying that it was made up nonsense. Its a fact that oprah removed all of her tweets where she condemned Jackson. It's a fact that oprah removed the interview from her YouTube channel. It's a fact that the documentary got the dates of the alleged abuse wrong by a few years. None of that is "made up nonsense".

You should check your facts before labeling posts as "made up nonsense".

Some of the alleged abuse couldn't have taken place where it was claimed to have taken place. According to many posters here he always dropped the "victims" once they hit 13 or 14. If abuse took place in some places claimed then he was "abusing" a 16, 17, 18 or nineteen year old young man. This does not fit the MO laid down so carefully by so many posters on this thread. Hasn't everyone claimed that he was only into pre pubescent boys & discarded them once they hit puberty?

Saying that she deleted the stuff because it was proven lies is made up nonsense. If that was the case then they would be deleted from her website also . More likely to be due to the weirdos downvoting and brigading

Also, can we have a legit link about how HBO are dropping it please? All that comes up when I Google is something on magicbaltimore.com about how its "rumoured" lol

Flippyfloppy · 10-04-2019 10:39PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I posted something & you jumped down my throat saying that it was made up nonsense. Its a fact that oprah removed all of her tweets where she condemned Jackson. It's a fact that oprah removed the interview from her YouTube channel. It's a fact that the documentary got the dates of the alleged abuse wrong by a few years. None of that is "made up nonsense".

You should check your facts before labeling posts as "made up nonsense".

Some of the alleged abuse couldn't have taken place where it was claimed to have taken place. According to many posters here he always dropped the "victims" once they hit 13 or 14. If abuse took place in some places claimed then he was "abusing" a 16, 17, 18 or nineteen year old young man. This does not fit the MO laid down so carefully by so many posters on this thread. Hasn't everyone claimed that he was only into pre pubescent boys & discarded them once they hit puberty?

Just because planning for the second train track was sought in 93 doesn’t mean Jackson waited until then to build it.

There was a train there in 1990 anyway.

Also hbo aren’t dropping the show.

Sleeper12 · 10-04-2019 10:44PM

Flippyfloppy wrote:

Just because planning for the second train track was sought in 93 doesnâ€™t mean Jackson waited until then to build it.

Eh have you seen what his biographer says about that? The abuse could not have happened where it was supposed to have happened at the time it is claimed. The exact place where the abuse was supposed to have taken place wasn't built at the time. The producer or director of leaving Neverland has accepted this publicly. His attitude was to shrug his shoulders & say that the "victim" just got his dates wrong. I'm not sure how this will wash in court. HBO had a responsibility to fact check these things and they obviously didn't

ceadaoin. · 10-04-2019 10:54PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Eh have you seen what his biographer says about that? The abuse could not have happened where it was supposed to have happened at the time it is claimed. The exact place where the abuse was supposed to have taken place wasn't built at the time. The producer or director of leaving Neverland has accepted this publicly. His attitude was to shrug his shoulders & say that the "victim" just got his dates wrong. I'm not sure how this will wash in court. HBO had a responsibility to fact check these things and they obviously didn't

Well two other biographers claim it was there in 1990,so why is this one more right?

Also, a lot of people , including professionals acknowledge that it is common for memory mistakes like this to happen on the recall of childhood abuse. Maybe occasions of abuse did go on later, and he was ashamed about that, who knows. We know he was there after the station was built because there are pictures of him there as an older teen and ones he took of the station itself

Sleeper12 · 10-04-2019 10:57PM

ceadaoin. wrote:

Saying that she deleted the stuff because it was proven lies is made up nonsense. If that was the case then they would be deleted from her website also . More likely to be due to the weirdos downvoting and brigading

You are twisting what I said. I quoted a fact. Oprah deleted the interview & tweets after it's been proved that the timescale is not possible. This is not made up nonsense. This is fact. She did not delete it before the time line was proven false. She deleted them after it was proven false. Please explain what is made up about this?

Sleeper12 · 10-04-2019 11:05PM

https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/celebrity-news/leaving-neverland-director-makes-embarrassing-14221727#ICID=Android_IrishMirrorNewsApp_AppShare

Director Dan Reed admits that the dates of the alleged abuse are wrong. This isn't made up nonsense. It's fact

Flippyfloppy · 11-04-2019 07:41AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/celebrity-news/leaving-neverland-director-makes-embarrassing-14221727#ICID=Android_IrishMirrorNewsApp_AppShare

Director Dan Reed admits that the dates of the alleged abuse are wrong. This isn't made up nonsense. It's fact

You really know nothing about CSA do you? I’m glad for you.

Flippyfloppy · 11-04-2019 07:44AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Eh have you seen what his biographer says about that? The abuse could not have happened where it was supposed to have happened at the time it is claimed. The exact place where the abuse was supposed to have taken place wasn't built at the time. The producer or director of leaving Neverland has accepted this publicly. His attitude was to shrug his shoulders & say that the "victim" just got his dates wrong. I'm not sure how this will wash in court. HBO had a responsibility to fact check these things and they obviously didn't

No, one instance of the abuse has been cast ‘fake doubt’ upon by Michael Jackson crazies because there was two train tracks.

Oprah removing her videos from just one source does not equal to confirming this cr@p.

Flippyfloppy · 11-04-2019 02:13PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's a shame that they closed the Leaving Neverland thread with the breaking developments. HBO are dropping Leaving Neverland and Oprah deleted her interviews with the alleged "victims" from her YouTube channel, after its been proved that the timescale of the alleged abuse is not possible. HBO didn't fact check the stories closely enough.

You shouldn’t believe all the tripe the stans spout, it’s ridiculous https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/oprah-stands-leaving-neverland-interview-despite-reports-timeline-discrepancy-071231762.html?guccounter=1

ceadaoin. · 11-04-2019 02:29PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You are twisting what I said. I quoted a fact. Oprah deleted the interview & tweets after it's been proved that the timescale is not possible. This is not made up nonsense. This is fact. She did not delete it before the time line was proven false. She deleted them after it was proven false. Please explain what is made up about this?

You said

"Oprah deleted her interviews with the alleged "victims" from her YouTube channel, after its been proved that the timescale of the alleged abuse is not possible."

You are implying she removed them because of the "lies". This is made up. She didn't remove them because of that and they are still available on her site. Also, pretty sure they were taken down before the train station thing even happened, probably because of people directing abuse towards her and towards abuse victims on these channels. Personally I don't know how those people can live with themselves, behaving like that, but if youre happy to pick apart the statements and use any inaccuracies to harrass and cast doubt on traumatised people good for you. I hope you wouldn't do that to someone in real life who confided in you.

So the Oprah thing has been debunked now. Any luck with a source about HBO dropping it?

Micky Jackson in trouble again

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