AGS to allow members to wear religous and ethnic garb while on duty

suicide_circus · 04-04-2019 07:34PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Lately there’s been multiple incidents of JCBs etc driving down Main Streets and breaking down banks robbing cash and gangs getting away with huge money

Where were the guards?

About 6 hours too late.

yeah but now they'll be 6 hours late in turbans

MrFresh · 04-04-2019 07:34PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Lately there’s been multiple incidents of JCBs etc driving down Main Streets and breaking down banks robbing cash and gangs getting away with huge money

Where were the guards?

About 6 hours too late.

You reckon it was because they took that long to do up their turbans?

Beechwoodspark · 04-04-2019 07:37PM

My point is this is a PR job to distract from huge failures.

PokeHerKing · 04-04-2019 07:37PM

suicide_circus wrote:

yeah but now they'll be 6 hours late in turbans

And when they look that fabulous can you even be mad?

Beechwoodspark · 04-04-2019 07:38PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

And when they look that fabulous can you even be mad?

Even better if they are in pride colours wow they’ll get a slot on Ryan or ray

suicide_circus · 04-04-2019 07:41PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

My point is this is a PR job to distract from huge failures.

of course it is. and a ham fisted cynical job at that.

Odhinn · 04-04-2019 07:44PM

recedite wrote: »

Its funny how it all started. We want turban-wearing Sikh police because the UK has them.
The UK police have them because the British Army has them.
The British Army has them because the only way to conquer the vast sub-continent of India was to use one tribe against another - divide and conquer.

They found Sikhs to be the best fighters, so they recruited Sikhs, let them wear the turbans and ceremonial daggers, and sent them off to fight the Muslims and Hindus.

So if it all seems a bit tribalist and divisive ... yeah that was the original idea.

Hindu and Muslim joined forces in the rebelliobn of 1857.
They judged that Sikhs would neither side with Hindu or Muslim.

PokeHerKing · 04-04-2019 07:45PM

MrFresh wrote:

I have to side with the dark side on this one. It's a silly exemption. Why should they be the only ones allowed to take chances with their safety? I do note that employers are protected from liability but surely the point of hard hat rules goes beyond liability.

It's interesting you think you're on the jedi side of this debate.

Beechwoodspark · 04-04-2019 07:45PM

Prefer the stance France takes.

stefanovich · 04-04-2019 07:46PM

Surely someone has asked if gardas are allowed to wear burkas now? Will come in handy at the next protest that needs to be quashed. The leftists won't know what to make of it.

One eyed Jack · 04-04-2019 07:50PM

MrFresh wrote: »

I have to side with the dark side on this one. It's a silly exemption. Why should they be the only ones allowed to take chances with their safety? I do note that employers are protected from liability but surely the point of hard hat rules goes beyond liability.

It’s an exemption which allows them to integrate into society as contributing members to that society.

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Yikes you're past saving amigo.

Oh hardly, we’re not exactly over-run with Sikhs in this country. You’re exaggerating something that is highly unlikely to ever happen.

MrFresh · 04-04-2019 08:00PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

My point is this is a PR job to distract from huge failures.

Aimed at who?

PokeHerKing wrote: »

It's interesting you think you're on the jedi side of this debate.

What's a jedi?

MrFresh · 04-04-2019 08:02PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It’s an exemption which allows them to integrate into society as contributing members to that society.

I understand the objective, I just think it has limits. In relation to the Gardaí, I don't think someone should be exempt from wearing a helmet in a riot situation.

Beechwoodspark · 04-04-2019 08:13PM

Aimed at Joe Schmo

Via the mainstream newspapers and web sites

One eyed Jack · 04-04-2019 08:39PM

MrFresh wrote: »

I understand the objective, I just think it has limits. In relation to the Gardaí, I don't think someone should be exempt from wearing a helmet in a riot situation.

I’m sure they can work something out, they’ve managed to do it successfully in other countries, and I think there’s only a population of less than 2,000 here in Ireland, been here since the ‘70’s. I think it’s time they were permitted to enter AGS, and surely one would hope that there wouldn’t be any riot situations that they would have to become involved in.

The Rape of Lucretia · 04-04-2019 09:28PM

Spleerbun wrote: »

I feel like we should be moving away from this religious stuff, not towards it. Confine your beliefs to your home and your own time, and wear the standard uniform as provided. Isn't that by definition the whole point of a "uniform", that it's the same for everyone?

It is. But if you say you are superstitious, then the rules dont apply.

lordlame · 04-04-2019 09:37PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Lately there’s been multiple incidents of JCBs etc driving down Main Streets and breaking down banks literally demolition jobs robbing cash and gangs getting away with huge money

Where were the guards?

About 6 hours too late.

Hiding behind bushes with their hairdryers

Pythagorean · 04-04-2019 09:51PM

Imagine a turban wearing Sikh sent to deal with a bunch of troublesome Dublin gurriers, they would give him such a slagging " whats that bandage doin' on your head pal, wha ?" And what happens in the middle of an arrest if a Muslim has to face Mecca for prayers ??

circadian · 04-04-2019 09:58PM

Pythagorean wrote: »

Imagine a turban wearing Sikh sent to deal with a bunch of troublesome Dublin gurriers, they would give him such a slagging " whats that bandage doin' on your head pal, wha ?" And what happens in the middle of an arrest if a Muslim has to face Mecca for prayers ??

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slipperyox · 04-04-2019 09:58PM

What about some REAL equality, and allow over 35 year olds to join?

One eyed Jack · 04-04-2019 10:14PM

slipperyox wrote: »

What about some REAL equality, and allow over 35 year olds to join?

Good news

Govt set to lift age barrier for entry to An Garda Síochána after ruling

topper75 · 05-04-2019 10:32AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Good news

Govt set to lift age barrier for entry to An Garda Síochána after ruling

Makes sense. It was a very old-fashioned concept preserved there with that 35 year thing. I know myself and a few of my sporty pals (early 40s) can run and lift most 20 somethings into the ground. Age is not a component of merit.

MrFresh · 05-04-2019 11:27AM

Pythagorean wrote: »

Imagine a turban wearing Sikh sent to deal with a bunch of troublesome Dublin gurriers, they would give him such a slagging " whats that bandage doin' on your head pal, wha ?" And what happens in the middle of an arrest if a Muslim has to face Mecca for prayers ??

How do you see this different to the abuse they give every other Garda?

topper75 wrote: »

Makes sense. It was a very old-fashioned concept preserved there with that 35 year thing. I know myself and a few of my sporty pals (early 40s) can run and lift most 20 somethings into the ground. Age is not a component of merit.

I think the issue is the retirement age prevents you working to full pension.

Grayson · 05-04-2019 11:59AM

Spleerbun wrote: »

I feel like we should be moving away from this religious stuff, not towards it. Confine your beliefs to your home and your own time, and wear the standard uniform as provided. Isn't that by definition the whole point of a "uniform", that it's the same for everyone?

I agree to an extent. I don't think that as a society we're ready to ditch religion. Look at the hoopla about a few schools changing patronage.

Because religion is a part of many peoples lives I think we should make some efforts to accommodate it. So long as the religion doesn't impact the job they do and the state is not endorsing a particular religion it should be ok. That means that if a teacher, nurse or garda have a head veil, or ash or whatever on their heads, that's fine. If their belief stops them from doing their duties, then it shouldn't be allowed.
It's about creating a space where people of different faiths are comfortable without endorsing any particular faith or giving a particular faith more freedoms than any other.

Dude89 · 05-04-2019 12:15PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Good news

Govt set to lift age barrier for entry to An Garda Síochána after ruling

The defense forces should follow suit!!

Grayson · 05-04-2019 12:21PM

topper75 wrote: »

Makes sense. It was a very old-fashioned concept preserved there with that 35 year thing. I know myself and a few of my sporty pals (early 40s) can run and lift most 20 somethings into the ground. Age is not a component of merit.

And fitness isn't even necessary for some of the roles that the Gardai may perform. There's plenty of technical roles that could be filled by someone with a lower level of fitness.

slipperyox · 05-04-2019 09:52PM

Remove religion from schools while simultaneously add it to the police force:rolleyes:

slipperyox · 05-04-2019 09:59PM

topper75 wrote: »

Makes sense. It was a very old-fashioned concept preserved there with that 35 year thing. I know myself and a few of my sporty pals (early 40s) can run and lift most 20 somethings into the ground. Age is not a component of merit.

Under 35 is still a requirement in the current 2019 campaign.

I know more people 15 years older than 35, that are fitter than 20 year olds:P

But then again, if you knew what the job entailed at 40, you wouldn't do it (unless you were already there and institutionalised) and at 20 you know no better

05-04-2019 11:44PM

more and more those type of immigrants are coming here so looks like we need to adapt our culture to suit them .. a sign of things to come unfortunately!

Atoms for Peace · 06-04-2019 06:24AM

It's strange that a majority white Catholic country would have a majority white Catholic police force.

AGS to allow members to wear religous and ethnic garb while on duty

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