AGS to allow members to wear religous and ethnic garb while on duty

AtomicHorror

topper75 wrote: »

What to do? If you cuff him it'll only make it worse.

:pac:

Liliana Straight Fruit wrote: »

Why? Turbans aren't compulsory for Hindus, you are perhaps mistaking them for Sikhs.

A Hindu Garda would just be in standard uniform.

Please read in context! I know the difference between Hindus and Sikhs!

suicide_circus wrote: »

haha...yeah.

point is, i dont see the "Templemore Trailer" being an acceptable look for one who cant serve the state without a hair covering.

I guess that'll be their call- but since plenty of them already wear work trousers, I don't see an issue.

AtomicHorror

recedite wrote: »

Muslim women aren't supposed to have careers. They don't wear hijabs at home, they only wear them when they go out in public, where strange men might try to get a look at them.

Hijab doesn't stop men looking- unless they desperately need to see hair? You're thinking of niqab, or I guess burqa? Don't see many of those in Ireland.

Plenty of Muslim women clearly have careers in Ireland, so why make such a claim?

recedite wrote: »

How does all that square with a female Garda breaking up a drunken brawl at midnight in Temple Bar?"
I'm thinking "the powers that be" haven't really thought this through properly. Its just a bit of pc virtue signalling nonsense.

You've thought it through about as far as as "Muslim women aren't allowed work", so I don't think you're well positioned to make this claim either.

slipperyox

I see no mention of being allowed the colander for pastafarians. This also must be addressed.

slipperyox

Sorry, just saw ot posted already..
goes to show how many of us there is

MrFresh

recedite wrote: »

Muslim women aren't supposed to have careers. They don't wear hijabs at home, they only wear them when they go out in public, where strange men might try to get a look at them.


How does all that square with a female Garda breaking up a drunken brawl at midnight in Temple Bar?"
I'm thinking "the powers that be" haven't really thought this through properly. Its just a bit of pc virtue signalling nonsense.

Yeah, it's a little known fact that the Garda hat is made from a magic material that is imbued with the fighting essence of Jet Li and the authority of Clint Eastwood. In a fight it creates an impenetrable barrier around the wearer's head that protects from harm. I mean, can a hijab even be made from the same material? Will it work the same way?

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Hijab doesn't stop men looking- unless they desperately need to see hair? You're thinking of niqab, or I guess burqa? Don't see many of those in Ireland.

Plenty of Muslim women clearly have careers in Ireland, so why make such a claim?



You've thought it through about as far as as "Muslim women aren't allowed work", so I don't think you're well positioned to make this claim either.

Recedite can't comprehend the idea of a woman wearing it by choice.

kowloon

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I vary from the extremes

Either compliance to the 1950s standard

Or else

Full burka, full facial tatts, novelty moustaches, Native American headdress, leather harness, clown shoes, whatever

Do you mean away with the bright jackets and stab vests and all?

Beechwoodspark

kowloon wrote: »

Do you mean away with the bright jackets and stab vests and all?

I do indeed

AtomicHorror

Kivaro wrote: »

Take for example, a Muslim from Pakistan/Kashmir living in Ireland who was a victim of an assault by a person known to them of Indian descent.
The perception by the victim (irrespective of it being right or wrong) changes immediately if the Garda arriving at the scene of the crime was dressed in a turban.

I don't think the turban would make them feel that way if a pasty-white freckled fella from Mullingar is wearing it. They might find it weird, but they're not going to be afraid, are they? So are we really suggesting the headgear is the potential problem in this scenario?

beejee

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I do indeed

Garai should have their uniforms designed around their county colours, Dublin colours for Dublin, louth for louth etc.

That way, it will encourage Dubliners to become more active in their Dublin communities.

Then it should be subdivided into templeogue uniforms for garda hailing from templeogue.

Then, it should be subdivided by individual family crest uniforms, so as to encourage members of that particular family to become active and engaged within their own family.

Makes perfect sense! (depending on the century you'd like to inhabit)

Beechwoodspark

beejee wrote: »

Garai should have their uniforms designed around their county colours, Dublin colours for Dublin, louth for louth etc.

That way, it will encourage Dubliners to become more active in their Dublin communities.

Then it should be subdivided into templeogue uniforms for garda hailing from templeogue.

Then, it should be subdivided by individual family crest uniforms, so as to encourage members of that particular family to become active and engaged within their own family.

Makes perfect sense! (depending on the century you'd like to inhabit)

What about my other suggestion? Everything and anything allowed

Alrigghtythen

What good are gardai who'll have no power of arrest? Everyone knows they have to be wearing a hat

recedite

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Hijab doesn't stop men looking- unless they desperately need to see hair? You're thinking of niqab, or I guess burqa? Don't see many of those in Ireland.

Plenty of Muslim women clearly have careers in Ireland, so why make such a claim?

In 1950's ireland married women were not supposed to work, unless they were poverty stricken. The civil service and other reputable employers automatically sacked them. It was the culture at the time (note- the culture, not the religion) Its a cultural thing for most muslims that the men work, and the women stay at home. Not all of them comply, but most do.


I said muslim women are not supposed to work, even though the less religious ones do. But if they are less religious, why would they need to be accommodated with a special religious uniform?


Is the hijab even a religious garb? I don't think so. I think its cultural.
If they won't accept our culture, why should I take orders from them?


Hijab is modesty attire. If its not to protect their modesty from staring men, what is it for? The rain?

Jamie2k9

Terrible day for AGS.

Its a shame to see Ireland going down the same road as the UK, it won't end well.

PokeHerKing

So can Sikhs not work construction or become firemen? Or will there be an announcement regarding those as well?

MrFresh

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Terrible day for AGS.

Its a shame to see Ireland going down the same road as the UK, it won't end well.

Hopefully the hard right won't get a hold here as they have there.

PokeHerKing wrote: »

So can Sikhs not work construction or become firemen? Or will there be an announcement regarding those as well?

I can't see essential protective equipment being exempt.

PokeHerKing

MrFresh wrote:

I can't see essential protective equipment being exempt.

Cause that would be silly yeah?

MrFresh

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Cause that would be silly yeah?

Yeah. Unless they come up with some kind of hardened turban. The Garda hat is for appearance only. Hard hats aren't.

beejee

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

What about my other suggestion? Everything and anything allowed

Quoted you by mistake

My point is that it's a stupidly backward idea to allow individuality within an essential national institution that is based on justice being blind and equal.

Hypocrisy is rife these days. Here's another general example. Why are accommodations always being made to the least accommodating people?

How would these nations react to the prominent display of a gigantic crucifix by their police forces, for the sole reason to encourage a tiny minority of Christians to police the vast majority non-Christian population?

Are there conversations on national Saudi broadcasts about whether Irish people should be allowed carry a hurley in the saudi police force?

Why aren't there similar accommodations for shinto people here, or Buddhists, or Wiccans?

Some countries must at all times be submissive to every outside influence under the sun, while most countries just laugh at the idea and do whatever they want? What's the craic?

Edgware

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

What about my other suggestion? Everything and anything allowed

Surely religious festivals throughout the year should influence uniform selection.
Lent Easter
Ramadan Yom Kippur
Halloween
National Klingon Remembrance day
We must be inclusive

Or as our esteemed President would say
" We must have a National discourse about inclusiveness"

One eyed Jack

PokeHerKing wrote: »

So can Sikhs not work construction or become firemen? Or will there be an announcement regarding those as well?

There has been an exemption for Sikhs to wear the turban in the UK construction industry since 1989? What would make you think it wouldn’t apply here?


Sikh hard hat exemption extended beyond construction

recedite

Its funny how it all started. We want turban-wearing Sikh police because the UK has them.
The UK police have them because the British Army has them.
The British Army has them because the only way to conquer the vast sub-continent of India was to use one tribe against another - divide and conquer.

They found Sikhs to be the best fighters, so they recruited Sikhs, let them wear the turbans and ceremonial daggers, and sent them off to fight the Muslims and Hindus.


So if it all seems a bit tribalist and divisive ... yeah that was the original idea.

recedite

One eyed Jack wrote: »

There has been an exemption for Sikhs to wear the turban in the UK construction industry since 1989? What would make you think it wouldn’t apply here?


Sikh hard hat exemption extended beyond construction

When you are naturally hard, you don't need a hard hat.

Edgware

recedite wrote: »

When you are naturally hard, you don't need a hard hat.

Oooooh Matron!

MrFresh

One eyed Jack wrote: »

There has been an exemption for Sikhs to wear the turban in the UK construction industry since 1989? What would make you think it wouldn’t apply here?


Sikh hard hat exemption extended beyond construction

I have to side with the dark side on this one. It's a silly exemption. Why should they be the only ones allowed to take chances with their safety? I do note that employers are protected from liability but surely the point of hard hat rules goes beyond liability.

suicide_circus

will a pregnant woman be allowed to demand a garda's turban if she really needs to take a dump?

Beechwoodspark

Edgware wrote: »

Surely religious festivals throughout the year should influence uniform selection.
Lent Easter
Ramadan Yom Kippur
Halloween
National Klingon Remembrance day
We must be inclusive

Or as our esteemed President would say
" We must have a National discourse about inclusiveness"

Don’t forget the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Great costumes there.

Dr Brown

It seems the Gardas are now more interested in being Politically Correct than actually solving crime.

MrFresh

Dr Brown wrote: »

It seems the Gardas are now more interested in being Politically Correct than actually solving crime.

Why not both?

Beechwoodspark

Dr Brown wrote: »

It seems the Gardas are now more interested in being Politically Correct than actually solving crime.

Lately there’s been multiple incidents of JCBs etc driving down Main Streets and breaking down banks literally demolition jobs robbing cash and gangs getting away with huge money

Where were the guards?

About 6 hours too late.

PokeHerKing

One eyed Jack wrote:

There has been an exemption for Sikhs to wear the turban in the UK construction industry since 1989? What would make you think it wouldn’t apply here?

Yikes you're past saving amigo.