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Ethiopian Airlines Crash/ B737MAX grounding

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭Raging_Ninja



    Well, something had to break the AoA sensor in order for MCAS to activate and crash the plane.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Well, something had to break the AoA sensor in order for MCAS to activate and crash the plane.

    Yeah true I was under the impression it was just a faulty sensor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Stimpyone


    Well, something had to break the AoA sensor in order for MCAS to activate and crash the plane.

    buzz.ie quotes ABC news as the source. ABC news quotes two unnamed aviation sources familiar with the investigation.

    Tin foil hat time, but I'm guessing an incident beyond Boeings control causing the crash would be advantageous in any future investigations, law suits or sales.

    I'd hold my powder just yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    News just breaking.

    Pilots "repeatedly" followed procedures recommended by Boeing before last month's crash of an Ethiopian Airlines flight, according to the first official report into the disaster.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47812225

    The problem as I see it though is that the pilots didn't have the correct training to deal with MCAS.

    Expect more information to follow later today.

    More news: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47812225

    Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 pilots 'could not stop nosedive'

    This is a carbon copy of the Lion Air flight. Plane nosedived numerous times before eventually crashing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    ZiabR wrote: »
    The problem as I see it though is that the pilots didn't have the correct training to deal with MCAS.

    I wouldn't say that at all. Going by what I've read here, they did follow the correct procedure of overriding the stab trim, but this means having to manually wind back the stabilisers with these big wheels - the physical effort required to do this, while also controlling the yoke (which requires significant force in this situation), when you only have 40 seconds, sounds pretty much impossible to do with two people.

    As we've heard there was an MCAS incident that was resolved on a Lion Air flight before the crash - but there were three people in the cockpit at the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,987 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Stimpyone wrote: »
    Tin foil hat time, but I'm guessing an incident beyond Boeings control causing the crash would be advantageous in any future investigations, law suits or sales.

    Sensors fail. A single failed sensor should not threaten to bring down an aircraft.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Stimpyone


    Sensors fail. A single failed sensor should not threaten to bring down an aircraft.

    Agreed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭jasper100


    Stimpyone wrote: »
    Agreed.



    = manufacturer at fault. Which contradicts your earlier "guess" that it leaves manufacturer off the hook to some degree.

    It won't


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Tenzor07




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,678 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Tenzor07 wrote: »


    Do they have parachutes on board test flights? (Genuine question)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,751 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    josip wrote: »
    Do they have parachutes on board test flights? (Genuine question)

    Don’t think there would be an exit point on these large commercial planes that would be safe to jump from without being hit by engines, other plane part. You can probably only jump from the rear cargo bottom opening on those type of planes.
    Also no eject option like with fighter planes.
    These test pilots for Boeing and Airbus are probably ex fighter pilots and the elite. Still must be a very dangerous job to do. They fly the planes in ways that would terrify a passenger if it happened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,722 ✭✭✭elmolesto


    josip wrote: »
    Do they have parachutes on board test flights? (Genuine question)

    Airbus pilots carry them for the flutter test.

    https://youtu.be/s3-g9B6Fgjs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    If this finishes Boeing off what does that mean for the future of flying?
    Airbus will cash in on it I'd imagine


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Sky reporting that the pilots followed Boeing process to deal with the MCAS error and that they eventually turned off MCAS but that it turned itself back on. This is from the report by the Ethiopian authorities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭billy few mates


    josip wrote: »
    Do they have parachutes on board test flights? (Genuine question)

    I've heard of a Boeing 737 test flight with Boeing test pilots where they wore parachutes and had some sort of a special device fitted to the door to blow it open in case of emergency...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭billy few mates


    No, it's not at all like that, there are 2 wheels, about 12" diameter, either side of the centre console, and there is a fold out handle in each wheel to enable manual winding.
    They are then linked via cables to a winding system, the problem being that it requires a massive number of turns of the wheel to make a significant change to the trim of the aircraft, the motors move the wheels at a very high revolution rate compared to what can be done winding them by hand, and if the aircraft is significantly out of trim, the control column loads are significant, which can require both hands of the flying pilot to be on the yoke to apply sufficient force to overcome the out of trim load, leaving the non flying pilot to operate the handle and wind as quickly as possible.

    example

    It's a very short video, but this gives an idea of how fast the wheel moves if the motor is in control. Now imagine that the motor has been running for several seconds, and you now have to manually undo what it's done, while at the same time, performing check list work to try and analyse and resolve the problem that's threatening to crash the aircraft.

    Not easy, or quick, or the sort of thing that the non flying pilot is prepared for, and to make it worse, the flying pilot is probably more than fully committed to just trying to keep the control yoke in about the right place to maintain stable flight, and constantly trying to overcome the out of trim forces.

    That's not an entirely accurate representation of the automatic trim system.
    There are two servo motors installed on the base of the screwjack, the main electric trim servo motor is larger than the autopilot trim servo motor.
    What you're seeing is the main electric trim motor trimming the stab (via the pickle switches). The auto pilot trim servo motor doesn't trim as fast as that and doesn't trim through the same range. I can't remember the exact figures but the autopilot trim servo can trim it X number of degrees nose down and y number of degrees nose up but the main electric trim motor can trim it a few degrees further in either direction and the manual trim wheels can trim it even further in each direction, it's all controlled by limit switches.
    Next time you're on a 737 (on the ground) trim it forward or aft to the stops and then see how much further you can wind it on manually.
    Then try engaging the autopilot on the ground, push the control column forward and watch how much slower the autopilot trim servo trims the stab.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,542 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    I posted a picture of the trim from the inside that was a screenshot from a video I posted and it's been deleted.

    If I did wrong I didn't know but I'v a pm that I can't access for some reason, maybe mods can delete sent pms.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    That's not an entirely accurate representation of the automatic trim system.

    Understood, the main reason for posting was to try and make it clear for the non pilots that the wheel is a large item, and moves relatively quickly over a long range of travel, with the emphasis being on that if the motors are no longer available to drive the trim, and the crew are forced to revert to manual winding using the handles, that's a relatively slow process, made more difficult if the aircraft is badly out of trim, as significant out of trim loads on the yoke are likely to require a lot of manual effort to manage them. Fully understand that normally, the automatic trim moves more slowly.

    I don't have experience of the differences that came about as a result of the MCAS changes with the MAX, but it would seem from as yet unsubstantiated comments that the MCAS is not a user friendly system.

    I also don't have any details of how quickly it applies the change of pitch to the system in comparison to the older and more widely known trim systems.

    What is clear is that there are some very worrying unanswered questions that have to be answered before the MAX can be put back into commercial operation, and a quick fix will not be acceptable to many regulators, or potential passengers.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    I posted a picture of the trim from the inside that was a screenshot from a video I posted and it's been deleted.

    If I did wrong I didn't know but I'v a pm that I can't access for some reason, maybe mods can delete sent pms.

    It was deleted because the link was incorrect, and went to an error page on the external site. By all means try it again, but please check after posting that it is working correctly.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Coil Kilcrea


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    Airbus will cash in on it I'd imagine

    For sure, but Boeing will batten down the hatches, take the inevitable battering and get back to business. Too big to fail springs to mind.

    I do think that the revenue acceleration that followed the Max order book will take a hammering and that the 797 plans are probably being dusted off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,987 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Airbus's order book for the 320 family is full for years, so they won't directly benefit. Secondhand/lease prices will go up, but that was happening anyway due to industry growth (and a recession will quickly reverse that)

    Boeing have a huge order book for the MAX too, and I doubt they'll see more than a small number of cancellations. Costs of changing your fleet from one to the other are huge, running a mixed fleet is inefficient and operationally inflexible

    It'll probably boil down to Airbus being able to play a bit more hardball on negotiations for future orders, Boeing having to sweeten deals a bit more.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,575 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Sorry if already posted, the preliminary report makes for some interesting reading.

    http://www.ecaa.gov.et/documents/20435/0/Preliminary+Report+B737-800MAX+%2C%28ET-AVJ%29.pdf/4c65422d-5e4f-4689-9c58-d7af1ee17f3e

    Notable imo are the stabilizer trim adjustments and whether they were manual or from the AND after it was disabled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭Turbulent Bill


    Airbus's order book for the 320 family is full for years, so they won't directly benefit. Secondhand/lease prices will go up, but that was happening anyway due to industry growth (and a recession will quickly reverse that)

    Boeing have a huge order book for the MAX too, and I doubt they'll see more than a small number of cancellations. Costs of changing your fleet from one to the other are huge, running a mixed fleet is inefficient and operationally inflexible

    It'll probably boil down to Airbus being able to play a bit more hardball on negotiations for future orders, Boeing having to sweeten deals a bit more.

    Agreed, Boeing and Airbus form a duopoly and it's in both of their interests to keep this going. Airbus took a financial hit on the A380, same for Boeing on the MAX, but overall I wouldn't see either being seriously damaged long term.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,262 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Steve wrote: »
    Sorry if already posted, the preliminary report makes for some interesting reading.

    http://www.ecaa.gov.et/documents/20435/0/Preliminary+Report+B737-800MAX+%2C%28ET-AVJ%29.pdf/4c65422d-5e4f-4689-9c58-d7af1ee17f3e

    Notable imo are the stabilizer trim adjustments and whether they were manual or from the AND after it was disabled.

    Read this and page 18 stands out. Stab trim switch in override position allows electric trim to still be active and I assume regardless of switch being in cutout or not. So they confirmed it was off according to conversation but what position was that switch in and did it still engage nose down.

    No aviation experience so can someone correct me if I read wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,542 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Right I'll try again for picture of inside of trim mechanism.

    prQPm8d


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Panrich wrote: »
    Sky reporting that the pilots followed Boeing process to deal with the MCAS error and that they eventually turned off MCAS but that it turned itself back on. This is from the report by the Ethiopian authorities.

    Is that accurate though?

    Surely the system can't, or at least should not be able to turn itself on after specifically being disabled, sounds like a sci-fi TV show where AI has evolved and gone rogue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Airbus's order book for the 320 family is full for years, so they won't directly benefit.

    Their book is full with build and delivery time estimates most likely based (at the time) on the assumption the A380 production and assembly lines could be still open, I wonder with that line closing in two years or so will they be able to ramp up production and assembly of other airframes, after all there are a lot of staff and facilities solely dedicated to the A380. Surely the recent announcement on the A380s requires a re-estimated timeframe for the other products and allows for more/quicker orders and a bit of scope to potentially take what otherwise could have been Boeing orders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Costs of changing your fleet from one to the other are huge, running a mixed fleet is inefficient and operationally inflexible

    That very much depends on the airline and the scale of their operations, look at AA, yes they are huge compared to the average airline, but up to a few years ago they were near 100% Boeing, in the last number of years they have become 51% Boeing and 43% Airbus (the rest being Embraer and MD).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,773 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    There were reports in some media yesterday that the pilots turned off the MCAS but somehow it turned itself back on which sounds bizarre. Did the report bear this out and if it did happen does it make this crash unique, i.e. a software system crashing a plane not because of failure to operate but instead operating when it had been commanded not to


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These Terms of Use, including our proprietary rights, disclaimer of warranties, indemnities, limitations of liability, choice of law and choice of forum, and miscellaneous provisions shall survive any termination of your user privileges.

Without limiting the foregoing, the following will lead to a suspension of your privileges on boards.ie:


  • breaches or violations of these Terms of Use or other Boards.ie guidelines
  • requests by law enforcement or other government agencies
  • unexpected technical issues or problems or
  • extended periods of inactivity

  1. Posting on boards.ie


8.1 Content posted on boards.ie

You are solely responsible for your conduct and any Material that you submit, post, and/or display on boards.ie. You agree not to post Material contrary to these Terms of Use or any applicable law.

Due to the real-time nature of boards.ie, Boards.ie cannot and is not required to review the contents of posted Material, nor does it confirm the validity of information submitted. Boards SoftwareLimited hereby notifies you that it does not actively monitor Material posted by users and, as such, is not responsible for and gives no warranty or representation in relation to Material posted by users.

Because community standards vary and individuals sometimes may not comply with our policies and guidelines, in the process of using boards.ie, you may be exposed to content that you find offensive or objectionable. Users are encouraged to bring any Material they deem offensive or objectionable to the attention of forum moderators by using the Report Post Feature identifying the specific Material you consider is objectionable. You must be logged in to boards.ie in order to report a post. For material that you consider objectionable you will be asked to give your reasons for wanting the Material removed.

Users are informed that if they deem Material to be defamatory or an infringement of their intellectual property rights they should inform boards.ie by emailing hello@boards.ie.


Do not use the Report Post Feature to report defamatory Material or Material which infringes your intellectual property rights.

You will be asked to give your reasons for wanting the Material removed. Please note that the Boards.ie offices are open for business from 9am to 5.30pm Monday to Friday, excluding national and public holidays in the Republic of Ireland. Any notifications received from users outside of the aforementioned hours will only be addressed upon the re-opening of the Boards.ie offices.

If another user defames, abuses, harasses, stalks, or threatens you or otherwise violates your rights on boards.ie please report the post to Boards.ie by emailing hello@boards.ie or by using the Report Post Feature identifying the specific Material you consider is objectionable.

Whilst we do not monitor Material posted by users, we reserve the right to take down Material that comes to our attention via a complaint or otherwise. Members who repeatedly flout our guidelines or these Terms of Use will be barred from joining discussions on boards.ie. You will not necessarily be notified when Material is removed or when you have been banned. Boards.ie will not enter into any correspondence with or about users who have been banned.

Boards.ie reserves the right to immediately ban a user if there has been a serious breach of our guidelines or these Terms of Use. All decisions in relation to these matters are carried out at the sole discretion of Boards.ie.

Boards.ie may be required to disclose your Personal Data (as such term is defined under the General Data Protection Regulation) when legally obliged to do so or when otherwise compelled to disclose such Personal Data – please see our Privacy Notice for further details.

We may, but are not obliged to, remove or limit access to Material from any user which breaches these Terms of Use.

You own all of the Material you post on Boards.ie and we do not claim ownership of that Material. However, we need your permission to be able to display that Material and in some cases to modify it for best display – for different browsers, for our mobile site, and so on.

Consequently, by posting any Material on or through boards.ie, you grant Boards SoftwareLimited a limited licence to use, modify, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, and distribute such Material. The licence you grant to Boards SoftwareLimited is non-exclusive, royalty free and fully paid, sub-licensable, and worldwide. This licence applies only to use of the Material for the purpose of providing the Boards.ie service. You also waive to the fullest extent permissible by law any moral rights in such Material. You are responsible for making sure that you have all rights to what you post, including the rights necessary for you to grant the licence above.

By posting any Material on boards.ie you represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Material posted by you or otherwise have the right to grant the licence above, and (ii) the posting of the Material does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, intellectual property rights, confidentiality, contract rights or any other rights of any person. You agree to pay all royalties, fees, or any other monies owing any person by reason of any Material posted by you to or through boards.ie.

From time to time we may seek to use users\' Material for the purpose of advertising or marketing boards.ie.

Please do not post any information you are not happy to have publicly viewable on the site.

In order to ensure that threads and conversations are not disrupted, we do not generally remove Material which is uploaded to us. Consequently, you agree that your Material displayed on boards.ie may continue to appear on boards.ie, even after you have terminated your user privileges, closed your account or have had your user privileges terminated by boards.ie. This provision does not affect your rights under data protection law, as set out in our Privacy Notice.

To have original creative Material deleted, please contact the relevant forum moderator (by using the private messaging system available to all registered users when they are logged onto boards.ie) with a direct link to the relevant item and your request. We will delete it within 30 working days of your request, as far as is reasonably possible.

Please note that deletion of original creative Material applies only to Material you have uploaded to boards.ie. If you have posted a link on boards.ie to Material hosted elsewhere (such as Flickr or YouTube) then, as Boards.ie is not the host, you will have to contact the other site to have that Material deleted.

We cannot guarantee that other users will not use the ideas and information that you share. Therefore, if you have an idea or information that you would like to keep confidential and/or don\'t want others to use, you must not post it on boards.ie. We are not responsible for a user\'s misuse or misappropriation of any content or information you post on boards.ie.


8.2 Defamatory Content

Boards.ie operates on a "notice and takedown" basis. If you believe that any content on boards.ie contains a defamatory statement, please notify Boards.ie immediately by emailing hello@boards.ie. Once this notification has been received, Boards.ie will use all reasonable endeavours to remove the defamatory content complained about within a reasonable period of time.

In the case of a genuine grievance which requires a legal response, Boards.ie can only release personal data about any of our members when requested by an investigating member of An Garda Síochána or on receipt of a court order.

Please note, if you threaten legal action against Boards.ie, by extension against Boards SoftwareLimited, your account will be site-banned by an Administrator until such time as the issue is resolved. This is strict site policy and is enforced by all moderators and Administrators.

Please note also that Boards.ie offices are open for business from 9am to 5.30pm Monday to Friday. Take down requests received outside of the aforementioned hours will only be addressed upon the re-opening of Boards.ie offices.


8.3 Content infringing Intellectual Property Rights.

Boards.ie operates on a "notice and takedown" basis. If you believe that any content on boards.ie infringes your intellectual property rights, please notify Boards.ie immediately by emailing hello@boards.ie. Once this notification has been received, Boards.ie will use all reasonable endeavours to remove the infringing content complained about within a reasonable period of time.


8.4 Nuisance posts

Our first line of defence against nuisance posts is to delete them and to ban the user. Nuisance posts include potentially defamatory material, surreptitious advertising, any other posts which breach the posting guidelines and/or our Terms of Use and any form of messages, posts or emails deemed offensive by the administrators or moderators. In addition, where a user recommends the products or services of their employer, they should state their conflict of interest. Where they do not do so, we reserve the right to point out that the user appears to have a conflict of interest.

Where a nuisance poster persists, we reserve the right to use email addresses and IP addresses to identify the user and halt the nuisance.

Boards.ie does not condone personal abuse or harassment towards any member. Boards.ie does not condone defamatory posts directed at any individual or company. If someone else has posted material about you on boards.ie without your permission and you would like to request that it be removed please contact us at hello@boards.ie.


  1. Feedback, suggestions and submissions about boards.ie

From time to time users contact us with feedback, suggestions and submissions about boards.ie and how to improve the site and services we offer. Boards.ie welcomes the input, and the following terms ensure that we can use your contributions to improve boards.ie.

You do not have to submit anything to Boards.ie about boards.ie, but if you do you acknowledge and agree that any questions, comments, suggestions, ideas, feedback, or any other submissions to Boards.ie which may improve our products, services, or offerings shall become the property of Boards SoftwareLimited unless otherwise agreed by Boards SoftwareLimited.

By making a submission to boards.ie about boards.ie, you grant a non-exclusive, irrevocable, worldwide, perpetual, unlimited, assignable, sub licensable, fully paid up and royalty-free right to Boards SoftwareLimited to copy, prepare derivative works from, improve, distribute, publish, remove, retain, add, and use and commercialise, in any way now known or in the future discovered, anything that you submit to Boards.ie, without any further consent, notice and/or compensation to you or to any third parties.

If you do not want to grant Boards SoftwareLimited the rights set out above, please do not make 

submissions to Boards.ie.


  1. Content of advertisements on boards.ie

You acknowledge that Material presented to you by boards.ie, advertisers, or other users may be protected by copyrights, trademarks, patents or other proprietary rights or other intellectual property right and laws. All copyright and other proprietary notices in the Material must be left intact.


  1. Links to and content of third party sites


11.1 Links to other websites

Boards.ie contains links to other websites operated by third parties over whom Boards SoftwareLimited has no control. Such links are provided for your convenience only and Boards Software accepts no responsibility or liability in respect of the content or use of other websites. Such links do not amount to an endorsement or recommendation of these sites by Boards Software. Boards Software Limited does not exercise any control or supervision over the content of these linked sites.

Boards Software Limited is not responsible for the content or accuracy of or for the opinions expressed in these third party websites and these websites are not investigated, monitored or checked for accuracy or completeness by Boards.ie.

Some of these sites may contain materials that are objectionable, unlawful, or inaccurate. The fact that these links appear does not mean that Boards.ie endorses these third party sites or services.

If you do decide to leave the boards.ie site and access third party sites you do so at your own risk. Third party sites linked via the boards.ie site are not covered by these Terms of Use or the Boards.ie Privacy Notice.


11.2 Links to boards.ie and Associated Websites

Boards.ie and its parent company and associated companies permit third parties to link to boards.ie so long as the link: (a) is not in any way misleading; (b) does not falsely imply sponsorship, endorsement or approval of the linking party and its products or services; and (c) fits within the context of the linking party\'s site.

By linking to boards.ie you hereby authorise Boards.ie to link to any website owned or controlled by you.


11.3 Third Party Content

The inclusion of any content from other sites, either quoted directly or linked to ("Third Party Content") on boards.ie does not imply any affiliation or endorsement of such Third Party Content by Boards SoftwareLimited.

You understand that by using boards.ie you may be exposed to Third Party Content that is offensive, indecent or objectionable.

Because Boards.ie does not control third party sites, you agree that Boards SoftwareLimited is not responsible for any such Third Party Content and that this is the sole responsibility of the person from which such Third Party Content originated, and Boards.ie has no obligation to monitor such Third Party Content.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, Boards Software reserves the right, but shall have no obligation, to pre-screen, filter, remove, refuse to accept, post, display or transmit any Third Party Content in whole or part at any time for any reason or no reason with or without notice and with no liability of any kind.


  1. Intellectual property

All intellectual property rights in the website design, text, graphics, the selection and arrangement thereof and all software vest in Boards SoftwareLimited unless otherwise indicated. Boards Software reserves all of its rights.

The above does not include Materials which are the property of advertisers or users.

You acknowledge that all trademarks, trade names, service marks, rights (registered or unregistered) in any designs, applications for any of the foregoing; trade or business names; innovations, inventions whether or not capable of protection by patent or registration, registered design and topography rights; know-how, including data specifications, drawings and instructions; secret formulae and processes; rights protecting goodwill and reputation; database rights and rights under licences and consents in relation to such things, rights in the nature of unfair competition rights, and rights to sue for passing of and all rights or forms of protection of a similar nature to any of the foregoing or having equivalent effect anywhere in the world and all copyright, trademarks and other intellectual property rights in and relating to boards.ie (collectively "Intellectual Property") are solely owned by Boards Software Limited.

You may not reproduce, publish, transmit, distribute, display, modify, create derivative works from, sell or participate in any sale of, or exploit in any way, in whole or in part, the Material at boards.ie without the written permission of Boards SoftwareLimited.


Advertising on boards.ie


  1. Advertising and Verified Representatives.

Boards.ie is a free service offered to our users and, as such, Boards.ie solely relies on revenue generated from advertisements served on the site to be financially sustainable and continue in business. Therefore, in agreeing to these Terms of Use you agree that Boards SoftwareLimited may serve advertisements on site or work with a third party to serve the advertisements, including personalised ads, and may implement anonymised site analytics functionality on the site. Advertisements placed on boards.ie may include but are not limited to banner ads, paid links, pop-up windows, buttons and sponsorships. These advertisements use "non personally identifiable information". They do not use personal data about you, such as your name, email address, physical address, telephone number, social security numbers, bank account numbers or credit card numbers. For further information, please see our Cookie Policy.

You agree that Boards SoftwareLimited has the right to run such advertisements and promotions on boards.ie.


13.1 For users:

Boards.ie does not control services which are supplied by third parties and the inclusion of advertising or sponsorship does not imply endorsement or recommendation of the third party by us or any association with that third party. Advertisers and sponsors are responsible for ensuring that Material complies with international and national law. Boards SoftwareLimited does not give any warranty, guarantee nor make any representation regarding any advertisement or any merchandise, product or service offered or provided by third party companies advertising or interacting on boards.ie.

You may report any advertisement or content you feel is unsuitable for boards.ie to us, on the understanding that its removal is at our sole discretion.

You can choose to opt in or opt out of the serving of personalised advertisements on boards.ie, however you cannot opt out of the serving of non-personalised ads. To change your preferences regarding personalised ads please go to http://www.youronlinec...m/ie/your-ad-choices. Please note that these changes will apply not just to boards.ie but to other sites you may also visit.

Your correspondence or business dealing with, or participation in promotions of, advertisers or third parties found on or through boards.ie, including payment for and delivery of related goods or services, and any other representations associated with such dealings, are solely between you and such advertiser or third party.

You agree that Boards SoftwareLimited shall not be responsible or liable for any loss or damage of any sort incurred as the result of any such dealings or as the result of the presence of such advertisers or third parties on boards.ie.




13.2 Commercial Activity, Verified Representatives and "Talk to..." Forums:

You must seek permission from Boards SoftwareLimited before carrying out any commercial activity on boards.ie. Any person or company attempting to advertise or otherwise promote themselves who has not been authorised by us will have their user accounts banned and their posts deleted. By using boards.ie for any commercial activity you agree to the following additional terms.

Boards.ie provides a platform for commercial representatives ("Verified Representatives") to engage with users on boards.ie. We allow authorised Verified Representatives to post relevant, appropriate content to our forums or blog on the understanding that we make no guarantee of traffic, engagement and/or uptake by Boards.ie users. We reserve the right to choose whom we allow to take part.

All content posted by Verified Representatives must be in compliance with these Terms of Use and our guidelines. The charter of each forum must also be followed in relation to the type of content and level of commercial interaction which is acceptable there. The charter will be displayed prominently in the relevant forum.

We reserve the right to remove any Material that contravenes these Terms of Use, our guidelines, other boards.ie rules or forum charters.

By becoming a Verified Representative, you agree that:

  1. You are responsible for your presence on boards.ie, for your adherence to the rules and guidelines on boards.ie and for the content you post. Boards SoftwareLimited is not responsible for the content posted by Verified Representatives
  2. You are subject to the rules of boards.ie (including these Terms of Use) as well as the forum charters and boards.ie guidelines. Your presence as an advertiser or Verified Representative does not grant you any privileges to break rules in the forums.
  3. You will use the personal information you receive from boards.ie users only for the purpose of answering a question, resolving an issue or other specified action. Under no circumstances will you use this data for any marketing activity without the express permission of the boards.ie user.
  4. You will make it clear to users what user data you are going to use and how you will use, display, or share that data.
  5. You will delete all user data you received from boards.ie if we disable your account or ask you to do so
  6. You will provide customer support. You will make it easy for users to contact you. You will deal with any questions or issues on thread where appropriate. You will not try to evade answering reasonable queries. We can also share your email address with users if appropriate, and with your prior consent
  7. You will not show ads on your boards.ie presence except with the prior permission of Boards Software Limited
  8. You will not misrepresent your relationship with boards.ie to others.
  9. You may use the logos we make or issue a press release or other public statement relating to your use of boards.ie only with the prior written permission of Boards.ie
  10. Boards SoftwareLimited can issue a press release describing our relationship with you.
  11. Boards SoftwareLimited can measure your content, data and interaction on Boards.ie for any purpose, including commercial (such as for case studies and presentations).
  12. For all enquiries about advertising or commercial activity on boards.ie, please contact hello@boards.ie 


Rights of Boards.ie


Our rights and responsibilities


14.1 Liability and accuracy:

Boards Software Limited does not give any warranty or make any representation as to the accuracy or completeness of the information contained on boards.ie. Material posted on boards.ie is not intended to amount to advice on which reliance should be placed. Boards SoftwareLimited therefore disclaims all liability and responsibility arising from any reliance placed on such Material by any user, or by anyone who may be informed of any of its contents. Although rigorous protocols are applied to boards.ie we do not make any warranty that boards.ie is free from infection by viruses or anything else that has contaminating or disruptive properties. Under no circumstances shall we be held liable for any delay or failure in performance resulting directly or indirectly from acts of nature, forces, or causes beyond our reasonable control, including, without limitation, Internet failures, computer equipment failures, telecommunication equipment failures, other equipment failures, electrical power failures, strikes, labour disputes, riots, insurrections, civil disturbances, shortages of labour or materials, fires, floods, storms, explosions, acts of God, war, governmental actions, orders of domestic or foreign courts or tribunals, non-performance of third parties, or loss of or fluctuations in electricity or other utility supply.

  1. Boards SoftwareLimited does not give any warranty or make any representation as to the identity of any user on boards.ie. Any use of, or reliance placed on, any content or Materials posted to boards.ie by any user, or obtained by you through boards.ie, is at your own risk.
  2. Boards.ie may offer Verified Representative Accounts to individuals that represent organisations. We may obtain certain documentation to reasonably establish authenticity and to satisfy ourselves of these individuals\' identity and authority to represent organisations. We do not give any warranty or make any representation that Verified Representatives express the views or opinions of the organisations which they represent. Users who purport to represent organisations, but do not have a Verified Representative account are operating outside of these Terms of Use and have not attempted to establish their authenticity with us.
  3. Users of boards.ie should satisfy themselves as to the accuracy, completeness and reliability of the information contained on boards.ie and, where applicable, as to the identity of other users.
  4. Under no conditions and in no event shall Boards SoftwareLimited be liable for any direct or indirect, incidental, consequential, special or exemplary damages or loss howsoever arising, (including but not limited to negligence or breach of these Terms of Use or otherwise) or for any loss of data, profit, revenue, goodwill or business howsoever caused even if that loss or damage was foreseeable by us, or the possibility of it was brought to our attention.

  5. 14.2 Users:
  6. Boards SoftwareLimited may at its sole discretion for any reason (i) disable or deactivate your account, block your email or IP address, or otherwise terminate your access to or use of boards.ie, (ii) remove and discard any posts or Material within any thread or anywhere on boards.ie or (iii) shut down a discussion, thread or forum that you are involved in, with or without notice, and with no liability of any kind to you.

  • 14.3 Availability of service:
  • Boards SoftwareLimited may at its sole discretion and at any time, discontinue temporarily or permanently providing boards.ie, or any part thereof, with or without notice.
  • You agree that any termination of access to boards.ie under any provision of these Terms of Use may be effected without notice, and acknowledge and agree that Boards SoftwareLimited may immediately deactivate or delete your account and all related information and files in your account and/or bar any further access to such files or boards.ie.
  • Boards.ie may be temporarily unavailable from time to time for maintenance or other reasons. We accept no responsibility for any error, omission, interruption, deletion, defect, delay in transmission, communication line failure, theft or destruction or unauthorized access to, or alteration of user communications.
  • Where possible, we will use reasonable efforts to give users fair notice of technical difficulties or termination or suspension of their access to boards.ie. However you agree that Boards SoftwareLimited shall not be liable to you or any third party for any inability to access boards.ie, termination or suspension of access to boards.ie or modification of the service provided by boards.ie.

  • 14.4 Indemnity and waiver
  • You agree to indemnify, defend (at the request of Boards SoftwareLimited), and hold harmless Boards SoftwareLimited our investors, successors, assigns, subsidiaries, affiliates, co-branders, contractors, employees, servants, moderators, third-party advertisers, technology providers, service providers or other partners, and each of their respective officers, directors, agents, shareholders, employees and representatives, from and against any third party claim, demand, loss, damage, cost, or liability including reasonable legal expenses, made or brought by any third party due to or arising out of:
  • Your use of boards.ie or any part thereof
  • The violation of these Terms of Use, our Privacy Statement, our guidelines by you
  • The infringement or misappropriation by you, or a third party using your computer, of any account or password to access and/or use boards.ie
  • The infringement of any intellectual property rights of any person or entity

You acknowledge that your use of boards.ie including any material downloaded or otherwise obtained through boards.ie is at your own discretion and risk and you agree to waive any right to bring any claim or action against Boards SoftwareLimited, our investors, successors, assignees, subsidiaries, affiliates, co-branders, contractors, employees, servants, third-party advertisers, technology providers, service providers or other partners, and each of their respective officers, directors, agents, shareholders, employees and representatives for any loss, damage, costs or injury arising from such use.


15. Entire agreement

These Terms of Use and our Privacy Notice make up the entire agreement between you and Boards.ie and Boards SoftwareLimited and supersede any prior agreement.


16. No partnerships/joint ventures

Nothing in these Terms of Use, our Privacy Statement and/or our Comments Policy shall be construed as forming a partnership or joint venture with you. No third party shall have the right or ability to create any obligation on our behalf.


17. Governing law

The agreement shall be governed by Irish law and you consent to the exclusive jurisdiction of the Irish courts in all matters regarding this agreement and your use of boards.ie.


18. Severability

If any provision of these Terms of Use is found to be void, invalid or unenforceable the remaining provisions will continue to be of full force and effect.


19. No waiver

Any amendment to or waiver of these Terms of Use must be in writing and signed by an authorised representative of Boards SoftwareLimited. Failure to enforce any provision of these Terms of Use shall not amount to a waiver of such provision.


21. Additional information

These Terms of Use should be read in conjunction with the Boards.ie Privacy Notice and Cookie Policy.


22. Contacting Boards.ie

You can contact us in relation to these Terms of Use in the following ways:

Using our contact page: Contact pageEmail: hello@boards.ie

By post: Boards.ie Limited, 4th Floor, Latin Hall, Golden Lane, Dublin 8

We welcome your feedback on this document and thank you for using Boards.ie!

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