Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

LeinsterDub · 03-04-2019 09:33PM

Water John wrote: »

RTE and SKY are the two good sources, rest are crap.

Channel 4 have been excellent

fly_agaric · 03-04-2019 09:33PM

Shelga wrote: »

I think it’s because Theresa May decided to talk to Jeremy Corbyn. As usual internal UK media and political news outlets are acting like they are in charge of their own fate, when that stopped being the case the second they triggered article 50.

It's ridiculous. It is much too late now. Maybe Theresa May should have gone to the parliament & Corbyn to ask "what will we do about this Brexit thing?" straight after her bad result in that snap general election.

Professor Moriarty · 03-04-2019 09:34PM

BobbyBobberson wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1113535648688951296

Bit of honesty from Nick Boles.

Hmmm. I admire Boles in many ways but there's something unsavoury about that.

LeinsterDub · 03-04-2019 09:35PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Hmmm. I admire Boles in many ways but there's something unsavoury about that.

It's a national emergency. No point pulling your punches or being polite now

Professor Moriarty · 03-04-2019 09:36PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

It's a national emergency. No point pulling your punches or being polite now

True. But it paints him as that little bit less honourable.

Water John · 03-04-2019 09:39PM

When you'll hear Laurs spouting something at 10 on BBC, you now know where it's coming from and the angle.
This is an unelected stooge seeking to pursue his personal agenda over the one of the person he's supposed to be working for. If he disagrees with her, he resigns his job. That's where the honour question lies.

BobbyBobberson · 03-04-2019 09:41PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Hmmm. I admire Boles in many ways but there's something unsavoury about that.

I do get what you mean but I would have Gibb, his actions and a hard Brexit as more unsavoury than Boles blowing the whistle on him.

FrancieBrady · 03-04-2019 09:41PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

True. But it paints him as that little bit less honourable.

What Britain needs now is whistleblowers - the right kind of whistleblowers mind you.

LeinsterDub · 03-04-2019 09:43PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

True. But it paints him as that little bit less honourable.

Still expecting except honor amongst thieves at this stage?

I'm not sure if I should admire your continued faith in your fellow man or be worried about your naivety

Infini · 03-04-2019 09:45PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

True. But it paints him as that little bit less honourable.

To be honest the current conservative's have no honor to begin with they're infested with idiot's and kipper infiltrators. Were basically 9 day's away from a potential car crash situation brought on purely by arrogant delusional gobshíte's who are seemingly intent on getting their jollies from causing as much needless misery for as many people as possible purely for their own selfish interest. At least he had the decency to first try and make a workable solution and then quit publically and for perfectly reasonable and understandable reasons. Can't blame him either for cutting out the discretion at this stage and so close to a needless national disaster and saying the truth.

Professor Moriarty · 03-04-2019 09:46PM

BobbyBobberson wrote: »

I do get what you mean but I would have Gibb, his actions and a hard Brexit as more unsavoury than Boles blowing the whistle on him.

Well, it's Boles's opinion, to which he's entitled. However, as an employee, Gibb won't get the same limelight as Boles and probably won't even be asked for his opinion on Boles's comment. It is quite possibly is true that he is a Brexiteer trying to frustrate the talks. But we'll probably never hear his side of the story - we just have Boles's opinion on one of May's employees who may well have trusted Boles and spoken confidentially with him.

Capt'n Midnight · 03-04-2019 09:47PM

MPs are debating a bill that would require the PM to seek an extension to Article 50 But Tories may filibuster it.

Eleanor Laing - the chair of the proceedings - suggests that "the way things are going" MPs will not get to third reading tonight (that is complete its House of Commons stage) because "the committee stage is likely to take the whole of the time available".

She says that if people limit themselves to short speeches, it will be possible for all stages of the bill to be completed.

However Conservative MP Bill Cash is reluctant to limit his contribution.

"This bill has been rushed through," he says, adding "it is not only an abomination in its own right, it is gravely unconstitutional."

"I am not going to fail to make the points that need to be made," he says.

listermint · 03-04-2019 09:47PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Well, it's Boles's opinion, to which he's entitled. However, as an employee, Gibb won't get the same limelight as Boles and probably won't even be asked for his opinion on Boles's comment. It is quite possibly is true that he is a Brexiteer trying to frustrate the talks. But we'll probably never hear his side of the story - we just have Boles's opinion on one of May's employees who may well have trusted Boles and spoken confidentially with him.

Sorry but that's a bit naive.

Have you been on here the last three years ?

I expect more people to stop pulling punches tbh. We wouldn't be in the mess if they had. All this nonsense of honour and other rubbish has given us brexit.

Infini · 03-04-2019 09:53PM

listermint wrote: »

Sorry but that's a bit naive.

Have you been on here the last three years ?

I expect more people to stop pulling punches tbh. We wouldn't be in the mess if they had. All this nonsense of honour and other rubbish has given us brexit.

Agreed. Honor is not something given by a title it's earned through actions and respect for others. Many of those like Mogg's and most certainly Boris are anything but honorable they are literal snakes and subversives who are there purely and entirely for THEIR own benefit. The other problem is allowing those spewing utter bullshít and lies to go unchallenged and that's only made the situation worse. Everyone is entitle to their opinion but when they start pushing causes without any FACTUAL backup or worse start pushing outright lies and untruths to get their way for no benefit but to themselves they're a liability.

Professor Moriarty · 03-04-2019 09:53PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Still expecting except honor amongst thieves at this stage?

I'm not sure if I should admire your continued faith in your fellow man or be worried about your naivety

Naive isn't a word those who know me would use to describe me. One can but hope for decent politicians. When you see the hypocritical liars like Jacob, Boris, Francois & Co, you look for some decency to counteract them. Of course politics is a dirty game, but not all politicians across the House are unprincipled. Such is my regard for Boles, a man who has stood up against the Brexiteers while going through cancer treatment, I expected better from him.

Irish Praetorian · 03-04-2019 10:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's such a soap opera

https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1113535648688951296?s=09

Pity, I loved his work as one of the Bee Gees.

MadYaker · 03-04-2019 10:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's such a soap opera

https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1113535648688951296?s=09

It's the best! Way better than House of Cards or any of them.

Capt'n Midnight · 03-04-2019 10:11PM

Amendment 21 to the Noes.

Eustice amendment.

Professor Moriarty · 03-04-2019 10:13PM

Cooper's bill shot down.

MikeSoys · 03-04-2019 10:13PM

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

MikeSoys wrote: »

what about the guardian...?

Yeah, but sometimes it's all wooly cardigans and soft slippers. They play it safe and talk to themselves far too much in their opinion pieces. Again the same problem of not holding people to account or being rigorous with the facts.

The FT is a better paper.

ft is good alright ..pitty website subscription keeps popping up !

MikeSoys · 03-04-2019 10:15PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Cooper's bill shot down.

looking at putting decision on EU.. to accept a long delay...

Thargor · 03-04-2019 10:17PM

Everything is a no, they're not going to be able to reach consensus on anything, if it looks like they are coming to a consensus on anything the government will probably collapse. This is true not just for the current negotiations but even if by some miracle they do agree something then the real negotiations will just be worse, they're completely screwed...

Professor Moriarty · 03-04-2019 10:18PM

MikeSoys wrote: »

looking at putting decision on EU.. to accept a long delay...

The choices are gone now. The May-Corbyn talks won't work. There will be no binding indicative votes. The WA won't pass. It's crash out or a long extension.

Water John · 03-04-2019 10:25PM

No the Cooper Bill survives, Eustice amendment defeated.

FrancieBrady · 03-04-2019 10:26PM

Water John wrote: »

No the Cooper Bill survives, Eustice amendment defeated.

That's what I thought too.

Professor Moriarty · 03-04-2019 10:27PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Cooper's bill shot down.

The Guardian just made a serious mistake. This from their live feed:

I just made an error: the vote hasn’t failed, an amendment by the former minister George Eustice was just defeated by 304 ayes to 313 noes.

The amendment would have prevented the government from being forced to hold a vote if the European Council proposes an extension date different than that requested by parliament.

Profuse apologies. The previous post has been delete

Ignore my bit of news. For now.

Capt'n Midnight · 03-04-2019 10:27PM

22nd of May extension limit , defeated by 220 to 400

Rain Ascending · 03-04-2019 10:28PM

Water John wrote: »

No the Cooper Bill survives, Eustice amendment defeated.

I see that we are all following the Guardian's Politics Live feed.

FrancieBrady · 03-04-2019 10:30PM

Goodness, such an unwieldy system, could they not vote on all these amendments at once? Ken Clarke has even given up with the in and out.

Professor Moriarty · 03-04-2019 10:32PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Goodness, such an unwieldy system, could they not vote on all these amendments at once? Ken Clarke has even given up with the in and out.

The British political system is being exposed as utterly unsuitable for a modern country.

Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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