John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

03-04-2019 05:14PM

Oat23 wrote: »

Sneaky b*stards. Taking two weeks to reply to the Sport Ireland letter and the reply comes less than 24 hours before today's meeting and contains no answers.

If they are relying on timing on replies to try and avoid the issue, they are in trouble.

The next level below that is the "oh we definitely sent, maybe it went to spam" routine.

Chancer3001 · 03-04-2019 05:14PM

kippy wrote: »

The 100k is a major issue if you ask me. More so why the attempted to hide it and why move JD to a new role.
So far we are supposed to believe what the FAI tell us.
The Salary/Renumeration is a separate issue.

I agree. Definitely needs answering. Seems a very odd move.

Cant even think of any proper situations where such a loan would be needed. Unless there would have been penalties payable on a project if not paid by a certain date or something

Dots1982 · 03-04-2019 05:19PM

So sports ireland got a funding cut of 25% in 2008 and it’s never been restored. And the FAI have cash flow problems.

It’s time to start asking questions of government funding being inadequate for sport in this country. Sadly those questions won’t get asked.

Otherwise so far I found it rigorous though Sport Ireland are limited in what they can comment on. The FAI will get a grilling this week.

Are they just going to discuss the FAI, is there not other things within Sports funding to discuss? Obviously FAI are the main focus but there are questions of other governing bodies should be asked.

D14Rugby · 03-04-2019 05:36PM

I love the excuse of "oh we can't cut funding or the projects they run will suffer" as if they aren't paying the ceo 400k. And saying that the FAI spend their money well when they manage to spend something like 20% of their total expenditure on wages as a mostly volunteer run organisation is laughable

Chancer3001 · 03-04-2019 05:44PM

Sure they have 200 employees.

Many of those empliyees are the "initiatives" theyre running

Annd9 · 03-04-2019 06:07PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

Are they just going to discuss the FAI, is there not other things within Sports funding to discuss? Obviously FAI are the main focus but there are questions of other governing bodies should be asked.

The other governing bodies do not find themselves on the front page of newspapers every couple of months , I have also never seen any of their CEO'S in a pullout fashion magazine posing with other Z-list celebrity's on fancy couches .

It is astonishing that people can defend the rent , it is more then a club gets for winning the Loi 1st division .
A club that may have 20 odd players , backroom staff , stadium to maintain , underage setup for boys and girls etc etc etc . Add to that
the extortionate entry fee to the league and I often wonder how clubs survive at all .

But it's fine that 36,000 is just a perk of the job .

D14Rugby · 03-04-2019 06:13PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Sure they have 200 employees.

Many of those empliyees are the "initiatives" theyre running

130 permanent staff and 50 contract staff. Even if you're generous and take out 1.5 million to allow for the management team that's over 40k per person which from reports is above the 27-36k most employees earn. Leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to their wage expenditure

Dots1982 · 03-04-2019 06:19PM

I don’t blame FAI staff, they all took a wage cut this decade. I don’t know how they got that over the line. Imagine asking bus drivers to take a wage cut because the Dublin Bus admitted they were making losses.

It truly beggars belief that Sport Ireland got its funding cut by 25% in 2008 and it still hasn’t being restored. How are people angry about cash flow problems? Course there are going to be issues when you cut funding by 25%. Did I mishear it? It was in the Ruth coppinger questions.

mugsymugsy · 03-04-2019 06:28PM

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/sport-ireland-unhappy-with-timing-of-lastditch-letter-as-john-treacy-refuses-to-back-fai-board-37980538.html

Sports Ireland distancing themselves from the fai and are not happy.

D14Rugby · 03-04-2019 06:31PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

I don’t blame FAI staff, they all took a wage cut this decade. I don’t know how they got that over the line. Imagine asking bus drivers to take a wage cut because the Dublin Bus admitted they were making losses.

It truly beggars belief that Sport Ireland got its funding cut by 25% in 2008 and it still hasn’t being restored. How are people angry about cash flow problems? Course there are going to be issues when you cut funding by 25%. Did I mishear it? It was in the Ruth coppinger questions.

Nobody blames the average FAI staff member. My point is that taking a wage bill of 8million which is a rounded down number of the given wage bill minus half the wages paid to the previous management team and if you take the 130 permanent staff at the high average of 36k is 4680000 which leaves 3,320,000 between 30 contractors, something is not right there, even if you account for Delaneys disgraceful wages that's a lot of money wasted ever year

howiya · 03-04-2019 06:34PM

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Here our....you can talk to the wall. He loves JD and the FAI.

If JD loved the LOI, Irish football, fans and the football family he would allow them to vote on the positions of the board and his own.

If he loved it all he would not charge clubs to train their coaches when getting his rent paid....
If he loved it all he would have an interest in building a solid basis for kids coaching and development in the country instead of hoping an English club will pick up a player and do the job for the FAI.
If he loved it all he would have paid compo to Peak6 for Kenny instead of behaving like a rat....

I’ve heard it all now. The FAI should have paid compo to a billion dollar company instead of investing in grassroots football. How much should they have paid Peak 6??

Dots1982 · 03-04-2019 06:35PM

D14Rugby wrote: »

Nobody blames the average FAI staff member. My po int is that taking a wage bill of 8million which is a rounded down number of the given wage bill minus half the wages paid to the previous management team and if you take the 130 permanent staff at the high average of 36k is 4680000 which leaves 3,320,000 between 30 contractors, something is not right there, even if you account for Delaneys disgraceful wages that's a lot of money wasted ever year

My post wasn’t aimed at you but chancer.

But 36k is a bit low for average staff member i think? What is the average wage of FAI staff excluding manager of senior team. Be an interesting question to ask Delaney and co next week.

joeysoap · 03-04-2019 06:40PM

Did I hear it right, that the FAI held onto €2.2 million of Dundalk’s money for 11 months?

Also read recently that last year’s league prize money has not been paid? Surely SSE wouldn’t stand for that?

Personally I think the FAI owe Dundalk compensation for signing Stephen Kenny. I appreciate that the club would never stand in his way but he had a 2 year contract still to run at Dundalk and if another club came in for him they would have to pay compensation, so why not the FAI?

joeysoap · 03-04-2019 06:45PM

howiya wrote: »

I’ve heard it all now. The FAI should have paid compo to a billion dollar company instead of investing in grassroots football. How much should they have paid Peak 6??

Rules are rules. Just because it’s Delaney and the FAI it’s ok to ignore them?

howiya · 03-04-2019 06:52PM

joeysoap wrote: »

Rules are rules. Just because it’s Delaney and the FAI it’s ok to ignore them?

If Dundalk were entitled to compensation they’d be pursuing it. Dundalk aren’t the first club to lose a manager without compensation and they won’t be the last.

Any compensation paid to be Peak6 would be another payment in the long line of things like JD’s salary, rent etc that could be better spent on grassroots sport.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 03-04-2019 06:55PM

howiya wrote: »

I’ve heard it all now. The FAI should have paid compo to a billion dollar company instead of investing in grassroots football. How much should they have paid Peak 6??

It shouldn't matter how much the company behind them is worth. Dundalk lost their manager and got nothing in return.

It's behaviour that shows up the FAI yet again as a bad faith organisation. :mad:

*I say that as a Cork City fan that was happy to see them weakened

howiya · 03-04-2019 07:05PM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

It shouldn't matter how much the company behind them is worth. Dundalk lost their manager and got nothing in return.

It's behaviour that shows up the FAI yet again as a bad faith organisation. :mad:

*I say that as a Cork City fan that was happy to see them weakened

If you can’t see how it’s in the best interests of all of Irish football for the FAI to spend that money elsewhere then I give up

joeysoap · 03-04-2019 07:20PM

howiya wrote: »

If you can’t see how it’s in the best interests of all of Irish football for the FAI to spend that money elsewhere then I give up

On Delaney’s rent

?

Michael O’Leary is a millionaire. I’d rather spend the money on holidays than buy flights, but I know you can’t fly without buying. Same goes for the FAI, Kenny was signed for 2 years, FAI should have offeredcompensation to Dundalk for peaching him away. Wouldn’t be totally surprised to read Delaney claimed bonus as a result of Kenny signing,

irishgeo · 03-04-2019 07:22PM

Hiding behind the external audit. Surprise Surprise. They wont have any answers next week either.

03-04-2019 07:28PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

With the weekend having come and gone and nothing revealed mobday morning, looks like tjis storm is in danger of petering out for delaney.

Well he's very much back on the front page!

That was a grim day for him, between Sport Ireland saying they have not received answers to their questions and the headlines grabbing moment when Treacy refused to express confidence in the FAI.

Cienciano · 03-04-2019 07:32PM

irishgeo wrote: »

Hiding behind the external audit. Surprise Surprise. They wont have any answers next week either.

Reminds me of trumps reason not to release his tax returns

howiya · 03-04-2019 07:35PM

joeysoap wrote: »

On Delaney’s rent ?

If you'd bothered to read my earlier post you'd see that I mentioned that's another waste of money that could be spent on football.

Let's be realistic though. He's not going to stop bleeding Irish football dry so if Dundalk were to get compensation it wouldn't be coming out of Delaney's remuneration. It would be coming out of schoolboy/junior/women's football etc.

But as long as Dundalk are looked after that's ok :rolleyes:

joeysoap · 03-04-2019 08:30PM

Good arricle here.

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/soccer/fai-had-dundalks-2-2m-prizemoney-for-11-months-37978067.html

Afaik Dundalk were only looking for 20k for Kenny’s release. I’d guess twice that amount on John Gill’s wages in order to make Vinny Perth’s position legal ( FAI are good (and Delaney) at legalities when it suits.

And Peak6 are not a charity, they’ll dump Dundalk if it doesn’t show a profit.

D14Rugby · 03-04-2019 08:36PM

howiya wrote: »

If you'd bothered to read my earlier post you'd see that I mentioned that's another waste of money that could be spent on football.

Let's be realistic though. He's not going to stop bleeding Irish football dry so if Dundalk were to get compensation it wouldn't be coming out of Delaney's remuneration. It would be coming out of schoolboy/junior/women's football etc.

But as long as Dundalk are looked after that's ok :rolleyes:

So your logic is Delaney would get the money from the wrong place so he's right not to pay at all? Thats some serious mental gymnastics there

Irishmale0399 · 03-04-2019 08:50PM

howiya wrote: »

I’ve heard it all now. The FAI should have paid compo to a billion dollar company instead of investing in grassroots football. How much should they have paid Peak 6??

What does Peak 6 wealth have to do with thr FAI breaking contracts or paying compensation, if they wanted they could buy the LOI and every club in it?? Based on that logic then Peak6 being billionares, they should be paying money to junior clubs around Ireland.....or finacing the youth set up Ireland wide as punishment for being clever business men and having more than the rest. A few years back that would border on communist thinking...;)

Kenny has said himself the FAI were speaking to him long before he informed Peak6 and their own statement said as much. Its a normal procedure within the business.

If the FAI were interested, open or honest they could have contacted DFC and said listen we know compo is due but we would like to invest it in the following projects....in Louth for example.

Corholio · 03-04-2019 09:03PM

howiya wrote: »

If you'd bothered to read my earlier post you'd see that I mentioned that's another waste of money that could be spent on football.

Let's be realistic though. He's not going to stop bleeding Irish football dry so if Dundalk were to get compensation it wouldn't be coming out of Delaney's remuneration. It would be coming out of schoolboy/junior/women's football etc.

But as long as Dundalk are looked after that's ok :rolleyes:

The money should have went where it deserved to go, to state it should be funnelled into other areas instead is bizarre. The reason 'they should be looked after' is because he was contracted to them, it's as simple as that. Dundalk, or any other LOI team, aren't there to be sharers of funds that they are entitled to in every way. If they wanted to hire a manager contracted elsewhere should they ask to pay less so they can 'invest' it in grassroots football? Of course they wouldn't. Levering the whole 'ah sure for the good of the country' excuse to not pay is as archaic and inexcusable as it gets, especially from a well proclaimed 'modern' football association.

Necro · 03-04-2019 09:58PM

Here's the sad thing in all of this.

Sports Ireland could take the nuclear option and cut all funding to the FAI, but it would be the grassroots that suffer, not the board.

Given the level of investment from public funds in proportion to the FAI's yearly 50 million turnover, unfortunately they are slightly limited here in terms of what they can do.

I can imagine the FAI suits are basically laughing at this public outrage from their ivory tower, knowing full well that SI won't do that as they can just plead the pauper then and stop funding local clubs as a result, with no knock on effect to their salaries or anything tangible.

Kind of explains the FAI defenders attitude on here as well, they know well there isn't anything they can do.

Truthfully, unless the fans simply stop attending games, boycott all FAI sponsors products and have a detrimental impact on their income streams then no true change will ever happen.

Frustrates the hell out of me tbh. The entire board are clearly not fit for purpose not just based off this 100k that they are doing cartwheels over trying to avoid explaining, but their entire approach to the game here in Ireland. But as public funding is so low (and that's another issue), there isn't enough accountability to rout the whole lot of them and enact a lasting change.

Dots1982 · 03-04-2019 10:08PM

Necro wrote: »

I can imagine the FAI suits are basically laughing at this public outrage from their ivory tower, knowing full well that SI won't do that as they can just plead the pauper then and stop funding local clubs as a result, with no knock on effect to their salaries or anything tangible.
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ALL FAI staff took a 10%-15% pay cut in 2012 that has never been restored so that’s a bit insulting to people who endured that cut.

Anyone able to name one other publically funded body where all staff took an across the board salary cut in the last 10 years?

It just amuses me at this stage how sports ireland can get their funding cut by 25% when there is a national emergency and that money never gets restored when the economy improves and people don’t think to ask a single question of the government.

People just believe whatever the media agenda is that day.

Necro · 03-04-2019 10:09PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

ALL FAI staff took a 10%-15% pay cut in 2012 that has never been restored so that’s a bit insulting to people who endured that cut. *

Anyone able to name one other publically funded body where all staff took an across the board salary cut in the last 10 years?

It just amuses me at this stage how sports ireland can get their funding cut by 25% when there is a national emergency and that money never gets restored when the economy improves.

People just believe whatever the media agenda is that day.

* Apart from Emperor Palpatine who just had his rent paid instead

fullstop · 03-04-2019 10:14PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

It just amuses me at this stage how sports ireland can get their funding cut by 25% when there is a national emergency and that money never gets restored when the economy improves and people don’t think to ask a single question of the government.

People just believe whatever the media agenda is that day.

Ok I’ll bite, seeing as you keep making this point and it looks like most people have you on ignore...surprisingly.

You posted the below earlier in the thread

“Unfortunately our government is the stingiest government in the entire EU when it comes to sports investment. But no one talks about that. They just blame the FAI for everything and don’t see the bigger picture.”

When asked to back this up you posted a link proving that our government were in fact the complete opposite, and are one of the highest investors in sport per capita in Europe. Why, then, do you inisist on trying to blame the government instead of the leech that is John Delaney bleeding Irish football dry?

John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

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