Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

First Up · 03-04-2019 03:57PM

MikeSoys wrote:

your correct but they will apply high tarrifs to protect uk fsrmers .. ie if a farmer here is able to get 3.75kg now.. if there is a no deal that will be something like 2.60kg.. which is really bad. but i heard the no tarrifs into n. ireland is a back door into uk for eire farmers (not sure if thats valid..though)

That assumes the exporter (seller) pays the tariff. They won't - the UK consumer will, along with the tariffs on the rest of the 50% of the food the UK can't produce to feed itself.

Tell me how · 03-04-2019 03:59PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

The shocking disrespect aimed at Corbyn, considering he's doing them a favour- I don't mean disagreement with his politics or beliefs - but hatred directed at him from the British hard right - shows there are two Britain's batting it out.

Furthermore, this has appeared on the Internet.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/world/europe/uk-soldiers-jeremy-corbyn-shooting-range.amp.html

BBC were slow to report it.

British army spokesperson : "This behavior is totally unacceptable and falls well below the high standards the army expects"

British army standards.....

It's like Russia or some dictatorship where the army backs the far right politicians.

BBC, SKY both have covered this. I think Sky broke it, and BBC had a piece on it this morning.

I wouldn't necessarily hold Corbyn up as a beacon for advancing the cause of the left at this point given his outright resistance to a peoples vote.

MikeSoys · 03-04-2019 04:01PM

First Up wrote: »

MikeSoys wrote:

your correct but they will apply high tarrifs to protect uk fsrmers .. ie if a farmer here is able to get 3.75kg now.. if there is a no deal that will be something like 2.60kg.. which is really bad. but i heard the no tarrifs into n. ireland is a back door into uk for eire farmers (not sure if thats valid..though)

That assumes the exporter (seller) pays the tariff. They won't - the UK consumer will, along with the tariffs on the rest of the 50% of the food the UK can't produce to feed itself.

is that how it works? that would mean the eu would maybe pick up the tab for us ...for this year or so unril ee get over the worst...

An Claidheamh · 03-04-2019 04:02PM

Hurrache wrote: »

JRM just said on Sky News that the Irish Agricultural Industry is almost entirely dependent on trade with the UK.

Add in German carmakers,
Then European wine,
Sure the Spaniards "need" the British in Gibraltar
Trade deal with the US, right? Any day now.

Furthermore, when Britain runs out of food, Irish farmers will make a killing - they could name their price and make any very short term loss back and then some.

Same thing happened in the 1940s

Otherwise they can eat unicorn meat

robinph · 03-04-2019 04:10PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Furthermore, this has appeared on the Internet.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/world/europe/uk-soldiers-jeremy-corbyn-shooting-range.amp.html

BBC were slow to report it.

It was on the BBC News website front page first thing this morning as one of the main stories.

Hurrache · 03-04-2019 04:11PM

Another ministerial resignation, Chris Heaton Harris who was a Brexit Minister and assistant whip.

seamus · 03-04-2019 04:12PM

Tell me how wrote: »

BBC, SKY both have covered this. I think Sky broke it, and BBC had a piece on it this morning.

I wouldn't necessarily hold Corbyn up as a beacon for advancing the cause of the left at this point given his outright resistance to a peoples vote.

Sure, but nevertheless there is a popular perception of him as a crusty socialist desperate to nationalise everything and demolish big business.

Tbh, I expect any explanation behind the video is relatively innocent, it's just the optics that are appalling.

A handful of braindead squaddies having a laugh rather than some deep and meaningful political statement.

Falls into the, "I can't believe they were dumb enough to film themselves doing this" category, a category which is expanding by the minute.

Still though, coupled with the international joke that is now Westminster, this video just serves to create suspicion that the rot is expanding across the public services.

Sardonicat · 03-04-2019 04:12PM

SNIP.

robinph · 03-04-2019 04:14PM

Another resignation:

https://twitter.com/chhcalling/status/1113456229232381953

Although it was the person in charge of making sure the disaster scenario wasn't too disastrous so no real loss.

charlie14 · 03-04-2019 04:37PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

The shocking disrespect aimed at Corbyn, considering he's doing them a favour- I don't mean disagreement with his politics or beliefs - but hatred directed at him from the British hard right - shows there are two Britain's batting it out.

Furthermore, this has appeared on the Internet.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/world/europe/uk-soldiers-jeremy-corbyn-shooting-range.amp.html

BBC were slow to report it.

British army spokesperson : "This behavior is totally unacceptable and falls well below the high standards the army expects"

British army standards.....

It's like Russia or some dictatorship where the army backs the far right politicians.

It being the third parachute regiment, by past British army standards had they being firing live rounds at Corbyn, rather than paint balls at his image there would be no investigation.

10000maniacs · 03-04-2019 04:50PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Look at this bull****.
https://twitter.com/DamianGreen/status/1113394935686946817

A "whos who" of truth botherers, charlatans and liars. And Michael Fabricant.

Shelga · 03-04-2019 05:12PM

Haha, Eddie Mair on LBC is currently having a phone in on people who are obsessed with Brexit, while simultaneously being completely sick of it. I think a few of us on here could contribute

Robert McGrath · 03-04-2019 05:15PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

They didn't try to derail the train. They put a cable between the rails to trick the signalling system into thinking that there was a train in the block, essentially leaving the "traffic light" stuck on red. The protesters wanted to cause delays.

I believe that the line that this protest was attempted on uses an upgraded signalling system and detected the interference on the line with minimal disruption.

And apparently that upgraded signalling system was necessary due to EU safety standards, which is just a delicious irony

03-04-2019 05:25PM

robinph wrote: »

Another resignation:

https://twitter.com/chhcalling/status/1113456229232381953

Although it was the person in charge of making sure the disaster scenario wasn't too disastrous so no real loss.

These resignations are all bizarre. What are we missing here? Why do so many MPs want no-deal Brexit? Its a shocking outcome

An Ciarraioch · 03-04-2019 05:27PM

Dead heat, reportedly, on Benn amendment.

Professor Moriarty · 03-04-2019 05:27PM

AdamD wrote: »

These resignations are all bizarre. What are we missing here? Why do so many MPs want no-deal Brexit? Its a shocking outcome

Because they represent constituencies that voted strongly for Leave. Or they're deluded. Or both.

marno21 · 03-04-2019 05:28PM

AdamD wrote: »

These resignations are all bizarre. What are we missing here? Why do so many MPs want no-deal Brexit? Its a shocking outcome

Liam Fox told them Britannia will rule the waves of global trade after he has negotiated all these wonderful trade deals with the world and global Britain will be the envy of the post-EU world.

On a serious note, it's difficult to understand. These people are the most informed of any MPs and while the likes of Fox are expected to hold this view, seeing remainers like Javid going down this road is daft.

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta · 03-04-2019 05:29PM

What is going on? This is almost comedic at this stage and if it is a tie, what do they do?

woohoo!!! · 03-04-2019 05:29PM

A sight to behold. The Irish are fine once they know their place. There's a large section of society over there who feel this way. The inherent superiority complex.

A deal has to side line these sorts and I rate the chances at 20% cos this move is so late in the day. It's as if it's designed to fail and blame Corbyn. Outraged Brexiteers are playing their role very well.

Harry Palmr · 03-04-2019 05:30PM

The Ties have it!

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta · 03-04-2019 05:31PM

Bercow breaks tie for no.

An Ciarraioch · 03-04-2019 05:32PM

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta wrote: »

What is going on? This is almost comedic at this stage and if it is a tie, what do they do?

If it was the Dáil, Ceann Comhairle would vote with the Government, and it would be rejected - based on the original Westminster rule, I believe.

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta · 03-04-2019 05:32PM

So no more indicative votes and no more meaningful votes, so...

Purgative · 03-04-2019 05:33PM

AdamD wrote: »

These resignations are all bizarre. What are we missing here? Why do so many MPs want no-deal Brexit? Its a shocking outcome

I don't get it either.

But then I never really understood what was so bad with the back stop. Once you have the GFA there's no alternative - to my mind at least.

And I don't understand what Cox is going on about either.

I'm a remainer, aside from purely selfish - Brit citizen living in RoI very happily until 2016 - I really do think the UK is better off in. All this guff about soveriegnty - you do what the next big guy (Russia, China, USA) tells you to or you lose your lunch money.

Sorry just a rant

Hurrache · 03-04-2019 05:34PM

So it looks like it's down to May and Corbyn.

A Dub in Glasgo · 03-04-2019 05:35PM

Robert McGrath wrote: »

And apparently that upgraded signalling system was necessary due to EU safety standards, which is just a delicious irony

It would be if it was true but it is not

Itssoeasy · 03-04-2019 05:38PM

If a vote summed things up then this one is it.

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta · 03-04-2019 05:40PM

This vote for the extension will now pass I'm sure, and the EU will be left with no option but to say "no" unless May and Corbyn can come to an agreement (IMO) by close of play on Friday.

BonnieSituation · 03-04-2019 05:40PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

If it was the Dáil, Ceann Comhairle would vote with the Government, and it would be rejected - based on the original Westminster rule, I believe.

Precedence states that any vote to be carried should have a majority of the house so the Speaker, as is right, casts a vote to keep the "status quo" as it were.

volchitsa · 03-04-2019 05:46PM

robinph wrote: »

Another resignation:

https://twitter.com/chhcalling/status/1113456229232381953

Although it was the person in charge of making sure the disaster scenario wasn't too disastrous so no real loss.

So that means the Tories are just one more resignation away from losing their majority, even with the DUP, amirite?

Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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