Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

Blackjack · 02-04-2019 11:04PM

Squatman wrote: »

did anyone notice that for kerrys goal, david clifford (i think) double hopped the ball? hard spot in real time, but watching it back its fairly obvious. doesnt matter now, but if we lost it would be a sore subject...

To be fair it wasn’t quite a hop, I think he managed to toe tap it back up to himself in what was actually quite a clever and skillful movement.

Blackjack · 02-04-2019 11:05PM

seligehgit wrote: »

For me the bigger calls for James Horan is whom he culls from the extended squad when he comes to selecting his championship squad?

The emphasis should be on giving the youthful prospects the nod.

The Eoin O Donoghue's,Michael Plunkett,Fionn McDonagh and James Carr can all have valid claims to start in the early stages of the championship.Very excited about the options James McCormack and Ciaran Treacy will possibly offer,

Throw in Hanley if fit,Tom Parsons,Seamus O Shea,Conor Diskin.

Agreed Andy,Boyler are impact substitutes IMO.Hard call to make on Fionn or Fergal to start.Can't see Stephen Coen starting.Darren Coen definitely offers more off the bench than Evan Regan.Disappointing that as yet Conor Loftus has not convincingly put himself into the mix.

Ryan O Donoghue it appears will have to be content with waiting for another year at this stage?

Here is the full listing in Sunday's programme of players used throughout the league plus the number of appearances pre final.A great spread.

Chris Barrett 4
Fergal Boland 4
Colm Boyle 4
Ger Cafferkey 2
James Carr 1
David Clarke 3
Darren Coen 2
Stephen Coen 7
Conor Diskin 3
Jason Doherty 7
David Drake 3
James Durcan 2
Jason Gibbons 1
Brendan Harrison 6
Robert Hennelly 5
Keith Higgins 6
Lee Keegan 6
Conor Loftus 1
James McCormack 4
Fionn McDonagh 6
Kevin McLoughlin 6
Andy Moran 6
Colm Moran 1
Diarmuid O Connor 6
Eoin O Donoghue 2
Aidan O Shea 7
Seamus O Shea 1
Michael Plunkett 3
Brian Reape 6
Evan Regan 2
Matthew Ruane 6
Ciaran Treacy 4
Donal Vaughan 7

What’s the deal with Ryan O’Donoghue?

MayoAreMagic · 02-04-2019 11:07PM

Squatman wrote: »

did anyone notice that for kerrys goal, david clifford (i think) double hopped the ball? hard spot in real time, but watching it back its fairly obvious. doesnt matter now, but if we lost it would be a sore subject...

Is that definately a double hop? He drops it to the ground, then toe pokes it back up and fists it on. Hard to say. You would need to know the exact wording of the rule to know for sure.

What I noticed was the amount of steps obrien took for the other goal. It is up around 10+. We have gotten a few scores like that ourselves in the past but it is definitely something the refs need to crack down on I feel, especially for goal chances like that which could potentially decide a game.

km79 · 02-04-2019 11:12PM

Conor loftus is a goner imo
He just doesn't seem to rate him
And let's be honest about it he can be have many complaints from his performances last 12 months
I'd still have him over evan Regan though !
James durkan also under serious pressure

seligehgit · 02-04-2019 11:12PM

Blackjack wrote: »

To be fair it wasn’t quite a hop, I think he managed to toe tap it back up to himself in what was actually quite a clever and skillful movement.

It was discussed on the GAA hour and although he handpassed it off,it would definitely be considered a double hop.

seligehgit · 02-04-2019 11:31PM

Blackjack wrote: »

What’s the deal with Ryan O’Donoghue?

Last reported in mid February he was recuperating post surgery.

MayoAreMagic · 02-04-2019 11:41PM

seligehgit wrote: »

It was discussed on the GAA hour and although he handpassed it off,it would definitely be considered a double hop.

I heard that too but Im not convinced they are right. They hadnt checked it up, it was cian ward (generally a sharp analyst in fairness) saying ya that is a double hop.

Blackjack · 02-04-2019 11:59PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I heard that too but Im not convinced they are right. They hadnt checked it up, it was cian ward (generally a sharp analyst in fairness) saying ya that is a double hop.

A bit of a debate on twitter suggests that as he didn’t catch it the second time but hand passed it away (and without catching it) means it falls within the rules.

He’s a classy player the same lad.

PARlance · 03-04-2019 12:55AM

My understanding is that if you lose control, it's not a double hop.

Liam McHale was a man for them iirc.

seligehgit · 03-04-2019 07:10AM

muddle84 wrote: »

Hearing the Mayo New York game is being moved to Yankee stadium??

There's an article in Monday's Western People reporting that the game is set to be moved to Yankee stadium.

Same article states that Garth Brooks may be providing the half time entertainment.

Aidan's rendition of "The River"made a big impression.

PARlance · 03-04-2019 08:09AM

seligehgit wrote: »

There's an article in Monday's Western People reporting that the game is set to be moved to Yankee stadium.

Same article states that Garth Brooks may be providing the half time entertainment.

Aidan's rendition of "The River"made a big impression.

Monday, April 1st

seligehgit · 03-04-2019 08:15AM

PARlance wrote: »

Monday, April 1st

I was aware of the date.:)

muddle84 · 03-04-2019 08:43AM

Blackjack wrote: »

A bit of a debate on twitter suggests that as he didn’t catch it the second time but hand passed it away (and without catching it) means it falls within the rules.

He’s a classy player the same lad.

To me it's definitely a second hop and the goal shouldn't have stood. But in fairness they had a perfectly fine goal disallowed so that cancels each other out.

muddle84 · 03-04-2019 09:06AM

seligehgit wrote: »

Last reported in mid February he was recuperating post surgery.

The talk in the stand and rumours before that suggest that he won't be seen in a Mayo jersey anytime soon. I really hope it's not true but time will tell I guess.

spurscormac · 03-04-2019 09:24AM

muddle84 wrote: »

To me it's definitely a second hop and the goal shouldn't have stood. But in fairness they had a perfectly fine goal disallowed so that cancels each other out.

Haven't seen it back, but in real time, the ref had already blown the free out before the shot was taken. It may have been soft, but free was called. Plenty of other soft decisions went against us too on the day, just not in a goal scoring position.

Audioslaven · 03-04-2019 09:39AM

muddle84 wrote: »

The talk in the stand and rumours before that suggest that he won't be seen in a Mayo jersey anytime soon. I really hope it's not true but time will tell I guess.

Realistically you are looking to next year where he is back to himself. I just can't see him been back in contention. It would be great if he was but I just can't see it. We have options now as well with Ruane and SOS to come back.

jr86 · 03-04-2019 09:46AM

Blackjack wrote: »

To be fair it wasn’t quite a hop, I think he managed to toe tap it back up to himself in what was actually quite a clever and skillful movement.

Yeah, it was incredible improvisation

Clifford was extremely dangerous anytime he got the ball in the first half but I thought Harrison and the other two settled very well in the 2nd half. Chris Barrett had a stormer and Higgins his best half since Kerry 2014 perhaps?

If we can keep that up we'll be a serious match for anyone. It looks like moving AOS to midfield will be the makings of him again, that was Donegal 2013-esque at times. Ruane looks like he's been there for years

We did look a bit toothless at times up front again though in the first half and Kerry opening up a bit (why?) in the 2nd half suited us much more for sure. Can we kick enough scores from distance to put away the defensive sides? Can we develop even a bit more nous in the attacking third when faced with mass bodies? Remains to be seen but its great to see new players fitting in seamlessly, and the more established players hitting great form again

jr86 · 03-04-2019 09:50AM

PressRun wrote: »

I don't think you need to worry, km, Cillian will start!

Nothing surer

Definitely our most important attacker. One of a select few players who'll always come straight back in and not have to work his way back into the side

Blackjack · 03-04-2019 10:00AM

spurscormac wrote: »

Haven't seen it back, but in real time, the ref had already blown the free out before the shot was taken. It may have been soft, but free was called. Plenty of other soft decisions went against us too on the day, just not in a goal scoring position.

Yep. It was a clear enough free for a push in the back and to be fair to the ref I thought he was alright. The whistle was long blown and Hennelly didn’t budge as he knew the free was already called. The Ref was certainly bang on with that decision there and if Kerry fans wanted to feel aggrieved about that decision they could look at the penalty call James Carr has in the second half, which on review wasn’t a penalty either.
Overall the ref did OK - a bit inconsistent at times but by and large I’d say he got his calls right.

PARlance · 03-04-2019 10:50AM

seligehgit wrote: »

For me the bigger calls for James Horan is whom he culls from the extended squad when he comes to selecting his championship squad?

The emphasis should be on giving the youthful prospects the nod.

The Eoin O Donoghue's,Michael Plunkett,Fionn McDonagh and James Carr can all have valid claims to start in the early stages of the championship.Very excited about the options James McCormack and Ciaran Treacy will possibly offer,

Throw in Hanley if fit,Tom Parsons,Seamus O Shea,Conor Diskin.

Agreed Andy,Boyler are impact substitutes IMO.Hard call to make on Fionn or Fergal to start.Can't see Stephen Coen starting.Darren Coen definitely offers more off the bench than Evan Regan.Disappointing that as yet Conor Loftus has not convincingly put himself into the mix.

Ryan O Donoghue it appears will have to be content with waiting for another year at this stage?

Here is the full listing in Sunday's programme of players used throughout the league plus the number of appearances pre final.A great spread.

Chris Barrett 4
Fergal Boland 4
Colm Boyle 4
Ger Cafferkey 2
James Carr 1
David Clarke 3
Darren Coen 2
Stephen Coen 7
Conor Diskin 3
Jason Doherty 7
David Drake 3
James Durcan 2
Jason Gibbons 1
Brendan Harrison 6
Robert Hennelly 5
Keith Higgins 6
Lee Keegan 6
Conor Loftus 1
James McCormack 4
Fionn McDonagh 6
Kevin McLoughlin 6
Andy Moran 6
Colm Moran 1
Diarmuid O Connor 6
Eoin O Donoghue 2
Aidan O Shea 7
Seamus O Shea 1
Michael Plunkett 3
Brian Reape 6
Evan Regan 2
Matthew Ruane 6
Ciaran Treacy 4
Donal Vaughan 7

I would hope that there's a similar development squad as SR had, it has served us well for getting the younger players built up and ready.

I don't want to be negative but there are at least 5 or 6 there who I don't think are up to scratch.

Despite our squad depth improving greatly over the last few years, this year is the first year where it genuinely looks like there will be serious competition for places. It's great to see, needed as well and can only stand to us.

It would be nice to see that we can look outside the 2016 U21 crop a bit more as well.

PARlance · 03-04-2019 11:12AM

Uri Geller sent an invite to James Horan to visit him in Tel Aviv on OTB AM this morning

Was having a few pints in Dublin last night and bumped into a Castlebar man who runs comedy clubs. Horan had them in the hotel with the team on Saturday night to kill a few hours before the final.

Between the both of them, we might be in with a chance of Sam!

blockfighter · 03-04-2019 11:17AM

Are there many people on here heading for New York next month?

Sebastian Dangerfield · 03-04-2019 11:59AM

blockfighter wrote: »

Are there many people on here heading for New York next month?

I am. Meeting a decent sized gang from England and a bigger one from Chicago over there

muddle84 · 03-04-2019 12:05PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

Realistically you are looking to next year where he is back to himself. I just can't see him been back in contention. It would be great if he was but I just can't see it. We have options now as well with Ruane and SOS to come back.

The speculation I'm referring to has nothing to do with his injury.

seligehgit · 03-04-2019 01:18PM

blockfighter wrote: »

Are there many people on here heading for New York next month?

I am,first time heading over to the New York game.

PressRun · 03-04-2019 01:23PM

Unfortunately won't be making it to the NY game due to other commitments. Another one I'll be relying on the radio for!

spurscormac · 03-04-2019 02:22PM

Blackjack wrote: »

Yep. It was a clear enough free for a push in the back and to be fair to the ref I thought he was alright. The whistle was long blown and Hennelly didn’t budge as he knew the free was already called. The Ref was certainly bang on with that decision there and if Kerry fans wanted to feel aggrieved about that decision they could look at the penalty call James Carr has in the second half, which on review wasn’t a penalty either.
Overall the ref did OK - a bit inconsistent at times but by and large I’d say he got his calls right.

The one he definitely got wrong was the first yellow he gave Aidan. There's no way that either he or the linesman knew what happened, yet felt it was ok to dish out a yellow to both players.

That annoys me to be honest, more often than not, one player has fouled another, dragged him to the ground, yet the offended player has to take a yellow card having done nothing wrong.
There should be a warning dished out, rather than an assumption that "both of them were at it".

Other than that, he did ok, pulled a lot of blatant pushes on both sides, which was refreshing to see.

Blackjack · 03-04-2019 02:37PM

spurscormac wrote: »

The one he definitely got wrong was the first yellow he gave Aidan. There's no way that either he or the linesman knew what happened, yet felt it was ok to dish out a yellow to both players.

That annoys me to be honest, more often than not, one player has fouled another, dragged him to the ground, yet the offended player has to take a yellow card having done nothing wrong.
There should be a warning dished out, rather than an assumption that "both of them were at it".

Other than that, he did ok, pulled a lot of blatant pushes on both sides, which was refreshing to see.

Agree there. To be fair that seems to be standard referee cop out. By the same token Kerry’s Do’C might have felt similarly aggrieved for his second yellow. He was pretty consistent in his approach overall I felt.

Bunny Colvin · 03-04-2019 02:38PM

blockfighter wrote: »

Are there many people on here heading for New York next month?

I'm heading and can't wait for it. The countdown is on.

km79 · 03-04-2019 02:45PM

I am gonna go to London next time around and then New York after that

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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