Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2019

akelly02 · 02-04-2019 09:41AM

TitianGerm wrote: »

I've never said he's won us many games. You said that.

What he has done is conceded the fewest goals in the league so far this season. Less than half the amount De Gea has conceded, he's been better than any of the other new top 6 keepers in the league. Most clean sheets as well. Wasn't even shown on the BBC graphic for keeepers whos mistakes have led to goals the other night.

So not to bad for someone who's "error prone".

ok im seeing things so, hes not error prone

in all seriousness, do these types of blunders not worry you? Allison was blessd that ball fell into his hands after turning his arse to it, Loris not so lucky with his blunder

yourdeadwright · 02-04-2019 09:42AM

TitianGerm wrote: »

I've never said he's won us many games. You said that.

What he has done is conceded the fewest goals in the league so far this season. Less than half the amount De Gea has conceded, he's been better than any of the other new top 6 keepers in the league. Most clean sheets as well. Wasn't even shown on the BBC graphic for keeepers whos mistakes have led to goals the other night.

So not to bad for someone who's "error prone".

Said it many many times Alisson positioning is world class,
De Gea is great keeper can't deny that best shot stopper out there but his positioning is quite poor why he makes so many world class full length saves ,

if you notice there are very very few times Alisson needs to throw himself across a goal due to his foot work and positioning ,

akelly02 · 02-04-2019 09:43AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Said it many many times Alisson positioning is world class,
De Gea is great keeper can't deny that best shot stopper out there but his positioning is quite poor why he makes so many world class full length saves ,

if you notice there are very very few times Alisson needs to throw himself across a goal due to his foot work and positioning ,

what about parrying one straight into spurs path the other day, he was fairly scampering accross his goal then. Should have been punished

yourdeadwright · 02-04-2019 09:46AM

De Gea has made lost of errors this season,
The goal at Arsenal recently from Xhaxa , the Mustafi goal at old Trafford v Arsenal There are more

He has made more errors than Alisson

TitianGerm · 02-04-2019 09:46AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Comparing clean sheets would also have a huge comparison on defenders. And Liverpool's defence is definitely better than Uniteds

Comparing goalkeeper stats is always going to be difficult. Easiest stat to look at is always clean sheets but surely shots to goal ratio is a factor but then sh1ter teams will likely have more saves.

I didn't have time look for loads of stats :pac: I just mentioned De Gea because he's the best keeper in the league and he's made more mistakes that led to goals this season than Alisson.

Fitz* · 02-04-2019 09:48AM

akelly02 wrote: »

how many games has he won for ye exactly?

from the top of my head:

Brighton 1-0 big save in the last few mins
Crystal Palace 2-0. big save at 1-0 to keep Palace scoreless. We scored last minute to round off the win.
Burnley 3-1 - made a big save at 2-1 in the last minute and set up a counter attack goal then to win the game.
Everton 1-0. big saves at 0-0 to keep us with a chance of winning the game, which we did thanks to their dinosaur'd arm keeper.
Chelsea 1-1 - actually had a few important saves in this game to keep it at 0-0 and then 0-1, before we got a late equalizer. important point at the time too.

Napoli 1-0 massive save in the last minute to keep the score at 1-0. any goal conceded meant we were knocked out.

Is that enough? there is probably more to add aswell.

yourdeadwright · 02-04-2019 09:48AM

akelly02 wrote: »

what about parrying one straight into spurs path the other day, he was fairly scampering accross his goal then. Should have been punished

Reaching a bit there Kane riffled one at him from about 8 yards out,

The end of the day himself and Ederson have been the best keepers in the league this year by a long way ,

Boom_Bap · 02-04-2019 09:48AM

akelly02 wrote: »

Allison got away with a couple of howlers again the weekend, confidence still high with him around here?

i said a month or so that he will cost liverpool games, and at this stage , when he does it will end up costing the league.

The one that I recall is where he came outside the box to head the ball but misjudged it.
I don't see that as a howler at all. If he didn't then it would have been much easier for them to get in on goal. So he dramatically reduced the chance of them scoring, although not graceful in how he done it.

8-10 · 02-04-2019 09:54AM

akelly02 wrote: »

what about parrying one straight into spurs path the other day, he was fairly scampering accross his goal then. Should have been punished

What is your argument exactly? That he hasn't won us points? He clearly has and you've now got multiple examples, is your argument now changing to "he won us points but he shouldn't have because he should have been punished in x situation"?

8-10 · 02-04-2019 09:55AM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

The one that I recall is where he came outside the box to head the ball but misjudged it.
I don't see that as a howler at all. If he didn't then it would have been much easier for them to get in on goal. So he dramatically reduced the chance of them scoring, although not graceful in how he done it.

More Milner getting in his way. He couldn't exactly clatter him like he did to Josh King (I think it was?)

Osmosis Jones · 02-04-2019 10:05AM

The only howler on display in that game was Lloris throwing the ball off his own player's leg and into the back of his net

TitianGerm · 02-04-2019 10:05AM

akelly02 wrote: »

in all seriousness, do these types of blunders not worry you?

Not in the least. You shouldn't be so worried about him either.

Osmosis Jones · 02-04-2019 10:06AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Comparing goalkeeper stats is always going to be difficult. Easiest stat to look at is always clean sheets but surely shots to goal ratio is a factor but then sh1ter teams will likely have more saves.

To that point the lads on Sky during the game said Alisson has the best shots to saves ratio in the league (somewhere around 77% I think)

Potential Underachiever · 02-04-2019 10:09AM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

The only howler on display in that game was Lloris throwing the ball off his own player's leg and into the back of his net

No, that was the only one that was punished.

02-04-2019 10:11AM

Alisson makes the odd small blunder at times, as with any player/keeper. He gets away with it to an extent that he's illustrating he's not getting away with it IMO, he's top drawer

I can't believe folk are trying to question the impact he's made to us, we had Virgil last season for a good few games in front of Karius and we were still dogsh1t at times due to having a brutal keeper (no slight on Virgil).

Boom_Bap · 02-04-2019 10:13AM

Allison takes calculated risks. They may appear to be blunders, but what would happen if he didn't take the risk...more chance of the opponent scoring.
That's why he has the most clean sheets this season.

citytillidie · 02-04-2019 10:16AM

Nice to see United fans are worried about our keeper making mistakes :pac: you would think we had a decent keeper for a change

Harry Palmr · 02-04-2019 10:16AM

The only things he really needs to sharpen up is his judgement of how to play a ball which is dropping on the edge of the area, a few times now he has ended up in danger of handling outside it, and be willing he drop back if a defender looks best placed to deal with it (nothing more needless than players colliding and the ball running free for a tap in/roll in).

akelly02 · 02-04-2019 10:27AM

citytillidie wrote: »

Nice to see United fans are worried about our keeper making mistakes :pac: you would think we had a decent keeper for a change

im not worried, hes not a top class keeper, too many mistakes simple as.

and whoever said him and ederson are the 2 best keepers in the league is on some substance that i definately want to try!!

anyway ive clearly rocked the boat here so ill leave ye to it

when he makes a mistake that costs ye the league ill be back saying i told ye so

the people saying he doesnt make mistakes are the same people who said pepe reina was good under a high ball id say

yourdeadwright · 02-04-2019 10:29AM

akelly02 wrote: »

im not worried, hes not a top class keeper, too many mistakes simple as.

and whoever said him and ederson are the 2 best keepers in the league is on some substance that i definately want to try!!

anyway ive clearly rocked the boat here so ill leave ye to it

when he makes a mistake that costs ye the league ill be back saying i told ye so

the people saying he doesnt make mistakes are the same people who said pepe reina was good under a high ball id say

Out of interest who do you think have been the best two in the Prem this season ?

akelly02 · 02-04-2019 10:30AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Out of interest who do you think have been the best two in the Prem this season ?

ederson is no 1

the rest nowhere on this seasons form

Chesty08 · 02-04-2019 10:31AM

akelly02 wrote: »

im not worried, hes not a top class keeper, too many mistakes simple as.

and whoever said him and ederson are the 2 best keepers in the league is on some substance that i definately want to try!!

anyway ive clearly rocked the boat here so ill leave ye to it

when he makes a mistake that costs ye the league ill be back saying i told ye so

the people saying he doesnt make mistakes are the same people who said pepe reina was good under a high ball id say

Of course he makes mistakes, they all do.

Name a better GK this season other than Ederson & Allison. There is none, if you DeGea you are clearly blinded by his previous years form and hypocritical then

givyjoe · 02-04-2019 10:32AM

akelly02 wrote: »

im not worried, hes not a top class keeper, too many mistakes simple as.

and whoever said him and ederson are the 2 best keepers in the league is on some substance that i definately want to try!!

anyway ive clearly rocked the boat here so ill leave ye to it

when he makes a mistake that costs ye the league ill be back saying i told ye so

the people saying he doesnt make mistakes are the same people who said pepe reina was good under a high ball id say

Sounds a lot like De Gea in his first season, except I dont think he had nearly as many clean sheets as Alison does this season. Id also wager De Gea is higher up on the mistakes directly leading to goals this season.

Will you be back to admit you're wrong when he doesn't cost us the league?

Boom_Bap · 02-04-2019 10:33AM

akelly02 wrote: »

ederson is no 1

the rest nowhere on this seasons form

Totally agree with this. He's rarely called into action, but when he is he is ready and clean in what he does. His passing is exceptional as well.

akelly02 · 02-04-2019 10:33AM

Chesty08 wrote: »

Of course he makes mistakes, they all do.

Name a better GK this season other than Ederson & Allison. There is none, if you DeGea you are clearly blinded by his previous years form and hypocritical then

here if you think allison is the second best goalkeeper on form this year just go on home, im out.

akelly02 · 02-04-2019 10:34AM

givyjoe wrote: »

Sounds a lot like De Gea in his first season, except I dont think he had nearly as many clean sheets as Alison does this season. Id also wager De Gea is higher up on the mistakes directly leading to goals this season.

Will you be back to admit you're wrong when he doesn't cost us the league?

yes

yourdeadwright · 02-04-2019 10:35AM

akelly02 wrote: »

ederson is no 1

the rest nowhere on this seasons form

Good goal keeper but still Brazil number 2 , wonder who is there number 1 :rolleyes:

Wheety · 02-04-2019 10:36AM

Allison is a great goalkeeper. The modern keeper is expected to be good with the ball at his feet but just like any outfield player, sometimes you make a mistake.

Was it Aguero who he took the ball off his toes? Made him go wide and timed his move to go for the ball perfectly?

We would have less points with either Mignolet or Karius in goal, so yes you could say he has gained us points.

yourdeadwright · 02-04-2019 10:36AM

akelly02 wrote: »

here if you think allison is the second best goalkeeper on form this year just go on home, im out.

Would you care to give your opinion on who is 2nd best this year ?

Chesty08 · 02-04-2019 10:37AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Would you care to give your opinion on who is 2nd best this year ?

He hasn’t a clue. Clearly trying to wind up

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