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Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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  • #5522
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    This suggests that you believe that Norway is currently a vassal state of the EU? Is this correct?

    Yes, of course it is.

    No seat at the table but have to abide by the rules.

    Small country though.

    UK is different.

    Far better off being a full member.


  • #5523
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    robinph wrote: »
    .... but I think due to Brexit fatigue people wouldn't care and as long as there were no new regulations about bendy bananas sent the UK's way for a few years people would soon forget about it.

    Would then just be a long game of gradually getting the UK back into fully participating again over the next several decades such that nobody notices.

    Two chances of that I'm afraid. The EU bringing in speed limiters on cars and changes to copyright laws for social media are two examples that the likes of The Daily Mail and The Express can easily distort to make it look like 'faceless EU beaurocrats want to control your lives'

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #5524
    SimonTemplar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    Do we know if the votes will use the traditional lobby method or will it be another paper ballot?


  • #5525
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    There must have been about 50 abstentions. So a good few Tories didn't back the government despite the whip.

    It's nuts that the EU gave the UK 2 weeks to come back with concrete proposals or else they crash out of the EU, and the government are actively whipping against the prospect of the house agreeing to any concrete proposals.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #5526
    aidyhawse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 ✭aidyhawse


    SimonTemplar wrote: »
    Do we know if the votes will use the traditional lobby method or will it be another paper ballot?

    Ballot paper again, I believe.


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  • #5527
    Robert McGrath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭Robert McGrath


    Robert McGrath wrote: »
    This is interesting.

    The UK Electoral Commission are basically refusing to investigate any further breaches of electoral law by Vote Leave, because essentially they think a finding on one offence is enough

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1112736782913814528

    The suggestion on Twitter seems to be that the Electoral Commission were leaned on by the May government and encouraged not to investigate the DUP due to May’s reliance on their support


  • #5528
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    How is Norway + the Customs Union any different then being a member of the EU?

    The Norwegians think it is better. Likewise the Swiss prefer their model to full membership.

    The Norwegians and Swiss stalled their EU memberships at those points for many of the same reasons people quote for Breexit - sovereignty, independence. The Swiss would like to end Free Movement, too, but have not succeeded.

    So it is not just the mad Brits.


  • #5529
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    All 4 of the Motions on the table tonight are pretty good outcomes in my opinion.

    Is the government whipping against all of them?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #5530
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Is the government whipping against all of them?


    They should rename the whip as the wet noodle - it seems to have about as much effect.


  • #5531
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,855 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    The Norwegians think it is better. Likewise the Swiss prefer their model to full membership.

    The Norwegians and Swiss stalled their EU memberships at those points for many of the same reasons people quote for Breexit - sovereignty, independence. The Swiss would like to end Free Movement, too, but have not succeeded.

    So it is not just the mad Brits.
    Most of the main Norwegian political parties would prefer to be full members. It's just been difficult to get the people to agree on it. Last referendum was in 1994 and was defeated by 52.2/47.8% with an 87% turnout.


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  • #5532
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭otnomart


    And Greenland left of course.

    This article was published in June 2016 on the eve of the Referendum: "In 1982, the largest island in the world voted to leave the Union, but it took until 1985 until negotiations were completed, following more than 100 meetings with EU officials. That talks were so tough for an island with a population of 56,000 doesn't bode well for a swift divorce if the U.K. does opt for Brexit.

    “The negotiations were a surprisingly unpleasant job,” Lars Vesterbirk, Greenland's former representative to the EU who led the negotiations, told POLITICO. “The EU member states would not take us seriously because they were not willing to accept that you should or could leave.”

    https://www.politico.eu/article/greenland-exit-warning-to-britain-brexit-eu-referendum-europe-vote-news-denmark/


  • #5533
    badtoro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭badtoro


    Ken Clarke talking a lot of sense, particularly on Trumps plans for the UK market.


  • #5534
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    badtoro wrote: »
    Ken Clarke talking a lot of sense, particularly on Trumps plans for the UK market.

    Good to hear an MP remind the House that it's Services that matter most to the economy, and a CU gives the UK room to do those deals around the world.


  • #5535
    badtoro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭badtoro


    Is there a protest of some kind in the HOC, seems to be a lot of distracted MP's


  • #5536
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    badtoro wrote: »
    Is there a protest of some kind in the HOC, seems to be a lot of distracted MP's

    They seemed to be looking up at the gallery?

    Yeah, it's a protester I guess.


  • #5537
    badtoro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭badtoro


    Deleted User wrote: »
    badtoro wrote: »
    Ken Clarke talking a lot of sense, particularly on Trumps plans for the UK market.

    Good to hear an MP remind the House that it's Services that matter most to the economy, and a CU gives the UK room to do those deals around the world.

    I thought his best comment related to the standard of the current HOC, something along the lines of it being pathetic.


  • #5538
    Kalyke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They seemed to be looking up at the gallery?

    Yeah, it's a protester I guess.
    A streaker I think...


  • #5539
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    badtoro wrote: »
    Is there a protest of some kind in the HOC, seems to be a lot of distracted MP's

    Semi-naked protesters in the gallery, apparently.


  • #5540
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    Wow the chap putting forward the confirmatory vote never mentioned what would be put on the referendum still... Deal vs No deal or Deal vs Stay or Simply do you support the deal Yes or No. Even worse is some of the MPs calling it a people's vote when that doesn't seem to be officially whats on the ballot.


  • #5541
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,487 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Mod: Don't dump pics please. Especially nudity.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • #5542
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    They are protesting about climate change apparently. Which is indeed infinitely more important than Tory party divisions.


  • #5543
    Schnitzler Hiyori Geta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Schnitzler Hiyori Geta


    Robert McGrath wrote: »
    This is interesting.

    The UK Electoral Commission are basically refusing to investigate any further breaches of electoral law by Vote Leave, because essentially they think a finding on one offence is enough

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1112736782913814528
    Has there been any coverage on this on traditional media or discussion in HoC?


  • #5544
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    badtoro wrote: »
    Is there a protest of some kind in the HOC, seems to be a lot of distracted MP's


    11 streakers in the HOC. They showed it on Sky News. LOL


  • #5545
    The high horse brigade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    11 streakers in the HOC. They showed it on Sky News. LOL

    Yeah I know what day it is....


  • #5546
    woejus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭woejus


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Mod: Don't dump pics please. Especially nudity.

    Apologies, ancapailldorcha

    Yes they've glued themselves to the glass, so I imagine either a curtain will need to be found and affixed to the outside of the glass, or they'll be there all evening

    Plenty of pics and angles for those interested on twitter


  • #5547
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    Yeah I know what day it is....


    It really did happen. Unless it was a mini Sky News CGI project.


  • #5548
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Off-topic but for the first time ever, I've found a use for dual apps on my phone. The video plays in the top third and I can browse Chrome in the bottom two thirds.

    Could be useful for ye when the Commons is on.


  • #5549
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,803 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    It really did happen. Unless it was a mini Sky News CGI project.

    Some sort of staged semi nude protest (men and women) in the visitors gallery but they didn't remove all of their clothes.


  • #5550
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    10000maniacs wrote: »
    11 streakers in the HOC. They showed it on Sky News. LOL

    Yeah I know what day it is....
    As with a lot of this Brexit, the reality is actually stranger than fiction.


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  • #5551
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭briany


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Wow the chap putting forward the confirmatory vote never mentioned what would be put on the referendum still... Deal vs No deal or Deal vs Stay or Simply do you support the deal Yes or No. Even worse is some of the MPs calling it a people's vote when that doesn't seem to be officially whats on the ballot.

    They should stop calling the thing a "people's vote". It's a second referendum. Just call it that. I think using "people's vote" makes Leave supporters more hostile to it, because it sounds like a re-brand to try and sneak it past.


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