John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

Chancer3001 · 27-03-2019 10:50PM

http://simondarcyonline.com/delaney/

Hit john delaney with a tennis ball game. I got 10!

Chancer3001 · 27-03-2019 10:52PM

kippy wrote: »

Christ.

One has to start somewhere.
If you think that keeping things as they are is the solution more the fool you.
No one is suggesting that sacking JD/The Board automaticilly improves Irish soccer overnight.

Nobody is suggesting keepingthings as they are. Im just asking for people to form an argument.

What would you advise is done?

Irishmale0399 · 27-03-2019 10:53PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

http://simondarcyonline.com/delaney/

Hit john delaney with a tennis ball game. I got 10!

You will be parking at the gates tomorrow morning, sitting in the corner and earing lunch tomorrow in Abbotstown. How dare you play such a game and injure the great J Teflon D.

secman · 27-03-2019 10:54PM

Whistle blower can be the difference, this oireachras committee are working hard and hopefully well armed, Delaney must be worried,
tried to stop it with the injuction on a bank holiday.
It didn't really come across on telly, but a work colleague said there was an awful lot of anti Delaney and FAI chanting at the game .

topmanamillion · 27-03-2019 10:56PM

The posters saying that everyone is criticing without giving ideas. Here are some of mine.

1. Cap international management teams salary at €500,000 and make it performance based. It's enough for Wales and their golden generation. It's also nothing short of embarrassing every time we rock up at a Euros with one of the best paid management teams while similar size nations are paying fractions to their management teams. Cap CEOs salary at €250,000. Again some of this to be performance based.

2. Disband provincial FAs - they're an outdated concept and not inline with modern population trends. Replace them with regional FAs which do.

3. Further to point 2, disband the 32 junior league's operating in the country. A ridiculous amount for a 26 county state. Rudd Dokter recommended 10 league's but was shot down by junior clubs. Delaney knew he couldn't afford to upset them and this was the only reason it wasn't implemented.

4. Set up a system of FA accreditation similar to the system in operation in England. A gold standard for junior football clubs in this country.

5. Encourage small junior clubs to pool resources and merge with other clubs near them.

The objective of points 2-5 is to have fewer junior clubs but bigger in size with better facilities and coaches.

6. Make it mandatory for every coach involved with a junior club in the 10 league's to hold a minimum of a UEFA B licence (Iceland have more of these than us). Funding and grants to be provided by the FAI, partly through cutting their E10 million wage bill and expense accounts.

7. Create 3 - 4 intermediate regional league's with promotion and relegation from/to the junior league's. Election to the LOI FD possible but not mandatory for any club that is of a high enough standard. The priority should be all clubs are playing at the very highest level they can.

8. Sponsors to be proactively approached by FAI and asked about changes that can be made to the LOI/grass roots football that would make them more appealing to them to invest their money in. LIDL have achieved massive success with ladies football. Something similar is achievable with soccer.

All of this would probably take 20 years + to be fully implemented and would require a radical overhaul but if its not done we'll be having an identical conversation in 2039 about football in this country.

TLDR: Net together the fragmented football landscape. Junior - intermediate - Senior. Reward clubs that work together. Increase the amount of accredited coaches in the country.

Necro · 27-03-2019 10:58PM

Chancer3001 wrote:

I hope delaney us replaced with somebody who

1 - gives money to the LOI despite the fact most fans couldn't name 5 players.

That is redundant, without the LOI there is no international team. It's the job of the FAI to promote and market the national league. Such a petty shot tbh.

Chancer3001 wrote:

2 - TAKES LESS OF A SALARY!!!! even tho delaney donated his uefa salary to the fai...(hope new guy does that too AND TAKES LESS CASH .

John Delaney is on more money per year before expenses than leaders of a number of European countries. Now he has moved sideways into a 'super duper Vice President that we never needed before' he will still be taking a salary and the FAI will also have to pay a new CEO.

Donated his UEFA salary my arse. If you believe that you're either an FAI shill or just incredibly naive.

Chancer3001 wrote:

3 - Somehing about rent.

As reported they have been paying rent on two properties. That is not acceptable particularly given the already mentioned massive salary he gets.

Chancer3001 wrote:

4 - fires nameless people who look like cronies.

How does one look like a crony? There are members on the FAI board who have been there for donkeys years, extended their own stay and everything for some more free money.

They are nameless and faceless, and that's half the problem. What roles do they have? How do they promote Irish football? How much are they paid?

They are dinosaurs who should have left years ago.

Chancer3001 · 27-03-2019 11:09PM

Wow those 8 points are some of the worst ideas I've seen.

Pretty much all of them invilve reducing the numbers of players actuwlly playing soccer in the country. And "forcing" volunteers to either do courses or quit... a lot are going to quit.

artanevilla · 27-03-2019 11:12PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Please expand and say how / why

No.

Dots1982 · 27-03-2019 11:16PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Wow those 8 points are some of the worst ideas I've seen.

Pretty much all of them invilve reducing the numbers of players actuwlly playing soccer in the country. And "forcing" volunteers to either do courses or quit... a lot are going to quit.

Think it deserves a little more than that dismissal. Point 1 is incoming surely already. Stephen Kenny must only be making 300k?

Chancer3001 · 27-03-2019 11:16PM

artanevilla wrote: »

No.

Bingo

artanevilla · 27-03-2019 11:17PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Bingo

It's not because I don't have the reason John, it's because I'm not arsed. Read this thread you'll find the reasons.

Chancer3001 · 27-03-2019 11:18PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

Think it deserves a little more than that dismissal. Point 1 is incoming surely already. Stephen Kenny must only be making 300k?

Negotiate sure...but why cap it and restrain yourself.

If a top manager suddenly wants to move to the emerald isle for whatever reason but wants 800k...and we can afford it...why in the name of god tie ourselves to some arbitrary limit? Negotiate him down. Reason with him. Beg. But dont handcuff yourself

D14Rugby · 27-03-2019 11:18PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

I hope delaney us replaced with somebody who

1 - gives money to the LOI despite the fact most fans couldn't name 5 players.

2 - TAKES LESS OF A SALARY!!!! even tho delaney donated his uefa salary to the fai...(hope new guy does that too AND TAKES LESS CASH .

3 - Somehing about rent.

4 - fires nameless people who look like cronies.

YEAH. THEN WE'LL BE CLASS.

Better than our u19s top of their group. Senior team top of their group. Loi teams having very good european runs lately.

Better than that

So your points are
1. Something is currently underfunded so why fund it.
2. 360k plus 36k worth or rent and expenses is a reasonable wage
3. Claiming someones taking a pay cut when really they're just getting the money in another way is alright
4. People who are doing a bad job shouldn't be sacked because people online don't know the exact names of everyone that works for the FAI.

Then you somehow try claim the u19s topping a group of Azerbaijan, Russia and Romania, and the senior team beating Georgia and Gibraltar, And LOI clubs succeeding Despite the best efforts of the FAI show Delaney is doing a good job? Are you alright in the head?

Dots1982 · 27-03-2019 11:19PM

It is hard I would say to just ask clubs to merge with clubs beside them and expect them to do it.

Chancer3001 · 27-03-2019 11:20PM

artanevilla wrote: »

It's not because I don't have the reason John, it's because I'm not arsed. Read this thread you'll find the reasons.

I have been reading it. Ive contributed several times. Im yet to see anything overly convincing

Chancer3001 · 27-03-2019 11:22PM

D14Rugby wrote: »

So your points are
1. Something is currently underfunded so why fund it.
2. 360k plus 36k worth or rent and expenses is a reasonable wage
3. Claiming someones taking a pay cut when really they're just getting the money in another way is alright
4. People who are doing a bad job shouldn't be sacked because people online don't know the exact names of everyone that works for the FAI.

Then you somehow try claim the u19s topping a group of Azerbaijan, Russia and Romania, and the senior team beating Georgia and Gibraltar, And LOI clubs succeeding Despite the best efforts of the FAI show Delaney is doing a good job? Are you alright in the head?

Maybe i didn't make myself clear.

Those 4 seem to be the main repeated points by posters here. All of which are fairly lame.not enough to sack the board of an FA over. Those seem to be the bones of contention. The areas posters want to see improved.

Dots1982 · 27-03-2019 11:26PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Negotiate sure...but why cap it and restrain yourself.

If a top manager suddenly wants to move to the emerald isle for whatever reason but wants 800k...and we can afford it...why in the name of god tie ourselves to some arbitrary limit? Negotiate him down. Reason with him. Beg. But dont handcuff yourself

The DOB money is gone so it’s time to place more stringent limits anyway. Mick is getting a better wage than I thought originally in 1.2 million. Managing Wales is a more attractive gig than ireland right now but hopefully in the future ireland can become a more attractive gig or Tom Mohan succeeding Kenny eventually. That’s all pie in the sky.

artanevilla · 27-03-2019 11:27PM

D14Rugby wrote: »

So your points are
1. Something is currently underfunded so why fund it.
2. 360k plus 36k worth or rent and expenses is a reasonable wage
3. Claiming someones taking a pay cut when really they're just getting the money in another way is alright
4. People who are doing a bad job shouldn't be sacked because people online don't know the exact names of everyone that works for the FAI.

Then you somehow try claim the u19s topping a group of Azerbaijan, Russia and Romania, and the senior team beating Georgia and Gibraltar, And LOI clubs succeeding Despite the best efforts of the FAI show Delaney is doing a good job? Are you alright in the head?

The claim Delaney had even a single atom of influence in the success of LOI clubs (not that successful though really) is an absolute insult to the people who pour blood sweat and tears into our league and our teams.

It's not too ago that a Dundalk fan went personally to air his grievences to the FAI in Merrion Square.

Ask fans of Monaghan United about the FAIs influence in their success during that glory time that was Euro 2012, and how JD was willing to give the shirt off his back (or was that shoe off his foot?) to help.

johnnyryan89 · 27-03-2019 11:28PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

It is hard I would say to just ask clubs to merge with clubs beside them and expect them to do it.

No club will merge with their neighbours for the sake of merging, heck a lot of clubs in Limerick that have very close neighbours were probably set up because people B didn't like people A who had all the say in club A so decided to set up their own junior club to play ball.

You've also got new junior clubs that were set up by Polish lads, not 100% if they're still around and Brazilians lads which was set up last year so they could play ball as a group of mates rather than join different clubs. Clubs will rural areas have and still will merge out of necessity but in the cities I can't see it happening.

D14Rugby · 27-03-2019 11:28PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Maybe i didn't make myself clear.

Those 4 seem to be the main repeated points by posters here. All of which are fairly lame.not enough to sack the board of an FA over. Those seem to be the bones of contention. The areas posters want to see improved.

So the FAI board ignoring its domestic league and actively stunting it at every opportunity, grossly overpaying its CEO, lying to its employees isn't enough reasons to want them sacked? Nevermind the multitude of other problems they directly cause. Do they have to actually murder someone to justify being sacked in your eyes or something?

artanevilla · 27-03-2019 11:28PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

I have been reading it. Ive contributed several times. Im yet to see anything overly convincing

Because you don't want to see anything overly convincing. It's obvious which side your bread is buttered on.

artanevilla · 27-03-2019 11:31PM

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

No club will merge with their neighbours for the sake of merging, heck a lot of clubs in Limerick that have very close neighbours were probably set up because people B didn't like people A who had all the say in club A so decided to set up their own junior club to play ball.

You've also got new junior clubs that were set up by Polish lads, not 100% if they're still around and Brazilians lads which was set up last year so they could play ball as a group of mates rather than join different clubs. Clubs will rural areas have and still will merge out of necessity but in the cities I can't see it happening.

My club has been around for over 100 hundred years, our closest LOIneighbour a similar amount.
We have diametrically different historys and setups, we have a fierce rivalry. It would be a cold day in hell that any of the Dublic clubs merge.

Chancer3001 · 27-03-2019 11:36PM

D14Rugby wrote: »

So the FAI board ignoring its domestic league and actively stunting it at every opportunity, grossly overpaying its CEO, lying to its employees isn't enough reasons to want them sacked? Nevermind the multitude of other problems they directly cause. Do they have to actually murder someone to justify being sacked in your eyes or something?

But they dont ignore the league. Sure they could do better. So could the clubs.

One bohs supporter posted recently aboyt buying a season ticket and they didnt even contavt him to renew. Tactics and setups and appointments need to be better too.

Overpaying... its all relative. Edit. I agree salary is too high. But not enough to sack a board over.

Lying to its employees... ive done about 20 jobs. Every single one ever lied to its employees.

Multitude of other problems... please let me know.

Dots1982 · 27-03-2019 11:37PM

There is a gaa solution where in certain counties, clubs compete by themselves in one competition and then join together and complete in other competitions with the cream of the clubs’ players.

A bit of a fast and loose solution I’ll admit.

artanevilla · 27-03-2019 11:44PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

But they dont ignore the league. Sure they could do better. So could the clubs.

One bohs supporter posted recently aboyt buying a season ticket and they didnt even contavt him to renew. Tactics and setups and appointments need to be better too.

Overpaying... its all relative. Edit. I agree salary is too high. But not enough to sack a board over.

Lying to its employees... ive done about 20 jobs. Every single one ever lied to its employees.

Multitude of other problems... please let me know.

ROFL.

I suppose you can't ignore your 'problem child'.

D14Rugby · 27-03-2019 11:59PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

But they dont ignore the league. Sure they could do better. So could the clubs.

Showing your ignorance there

Overpaying... its all relative. Edit. I agree salary is too high. But not enough to sack a board over.

You're right, it is relative, relatively he's disgracefully overpaid. And Don't even try the his pay has reduced since then it's been established it hasn't, the way he get it has is all
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fai-chief-earns-250k-more-than-spain-and-italy-rivals-26872839.html

Lying to its employees... I've done about 20 jobs. Every single one ever lied to its employees.

While I doubt that, taking it as true that doesn't make it any better and your employers don't receive huge amounts of state money and use the lie to get good publicity and encourage other far less well paid employees to have their pay slashed

Multitude of other problems... please let me know.

National teams not getting proper kit, the 10 year ticket fiasco, Olympic ticket touting, list the length of my arm the LOI specific problems, the bridging loan, hiding the 5m payment.... and that's all just off the top of my head, need I go on

Chancer3001 · 28-03-2019 12:22AM

Tell me more about the lies to employees. I dont remember reading about that.

Pretty sure the loan seems to be above board. Lent. Got it back. Was all declared in his divorce proceedings. The 5m i think is a positive. Not a negative

Edit - national teams not getting kit. Who?

D14Rugby · 28-03-2019 12:27AM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Tell me more about the lies to employees. I dont remember reading about that.

Pretty sure the loan seems to be above board. Lent. Got it back. Was all declared in his divorce proceedings. The 5m i think is a positive. Not a negative

Edit - national teams not getting kit. Who?

He shouted from the rooftops about taking a 10% pay cut saying everyone else in the organisation shouldn't be mad that they took a pay cut because it was across the board which was a lie.
The national teams have to hand back their kit so other teams can use them too.
I would go into detail but I really can't be arsed engaging with you anymore since it's obvious you've made your mind up and just choosing to ignore all the points that contradict your view

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 28-03-2019 12:34AM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Multitude of other problems... please let me know.

Transparency and accountability are non existent with the FAI. Irish soccer has deserved better than this.

I hope there is a protest at the 33rd minute of every game for for the next 14 years if need be. CEO's for life is never going to benefit Irish football.

PARlance · 28-03-2019 12:42AM

Dots1982 wrote: »

There is a gaa solution where in certain counties, clubs compete by themselves in one competition and then join together and complete in other competitions with the cream of the clubs’ players.

A bit of a fast and loose solution I’ll admit.

I think describing that solution as "fast and loose" is being a bit generous.
Completely unrealistic would be putting it nicely.

John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

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