Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

Laois_Man · 24-03-2019 03:09PM

There’s a crisis meeting of May with senior Tory’s including key ERG members taking place at Chequers this afternoon!

Capt'n Midnight · 24-03-2019 03:10PM

bilston wrote: »

So the BBC reckon that if May goes senior Tories will back her deal.

I don't understand that. You either think the deal is good or you don't. Changing PM isn't going to change the deal, so why should that impact on whether you vote for it or not. If this is the case it is another example of party before country. Shameful

And what makes anyone think they'd keep their word ?

Many of the ones have voted for her have also voted against her at times.

And the DUP are still saying NO.

And Labour are only about an election.

And the other parties want to Revoke Article 50.

So getting the full party to vote for her deal still don't mean much.

DrumSteve · 24-03-2019 03:12PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

And what makes anyone think they'd keep their word ?

Many of the ones have voted for her have also voted against her at times.

And the DUP are still saying NO.

And Labour are only about an election.

And the other parties want to Revoke Article 50.

So getting the full party to vote for her deal still don't mean much.

I reckon there are a lot of backbenchers plotting their revenge on the DUP regardless of outcome at this stage

robindch · 24-03-2019 03:26PM

devnull wrote: »

I'm reading that article and I have to say that at first I thought it was a parody or some sarcasm, especially when they mentioned the dog, someone not being out in the evening for a while and going to Greece.
I'm still not sure if it's satire or not?

You're looking at Poe's Law right there.

If there wasn't a video of it, I'd have said it was satire, plus the Plymouth Herald seems to be a straight enough news outlet, so I'm going with "wtf, but true".

Favourite bit is about the protesters swelling "from a crowd of eight to a throng of around a dozen".

BobbyBobberson · 24-03-2019 03:28PM

They cant even self destruct properly

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1109814744737857536

devnull · 24-03-2019 03:30PM

BobbyBobberson wrote: »

They cant even self destruct properly

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1109814744737857536

If Michael Gove has denied that he has been involved in it, then it's pretty much certain he was, with his track record.

robindch · 24-03-2019 03:31PM

BobbyBobberson wrote: »

They cant even self destruct properly

They're doing a good enough job of self-destructing the country.

WhiteMan32 · 24-03-2019 03:33PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

There’s a crisis meeting of May with senior Tory’s including key ERG members taking place at Chequers this afternoon!

After what the Chancellor Philip Hammond said during interview on Sky News this morning that a second referendum is a "perfectly coherent proposition" and "deserves to be considered" by the House of Commons, will some MPs present at this crisis meeting demand that TM issues this Cabinet member with a yellow card?

PropJoe10 · 24-03-2019 03:33PM

devnull wrote: »

If Michael Gove has denied it, with his track record, it must be true.

I wouldn't trust Gove as far as I could throw him. He'd be an awful replacement for May - to be honest, there's nothing to gain from removing May at the moment, which they seem to be realising. The pantomime performance continues! :rolleyes:

Kermit.de.frog · 24-03-2019 03:34PM

None of them want the job at this particular time.

They'd rather let May take the inevitable fall before taking over themselves.

robindch · 24-03-2019 03:42PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

None of them want the job at this particular time.

Was it Mark Rutte, the Dutch PM, who said during the last Tory putsch in December, that frankly, the UK Government was in a runaway car, heading towards a cliff and the Cabinet were arguing about who should hold the steering wheel?

BobbyBobberson · 24-03-2019 03:46PM

All this talk of the petition is doing my head in. And I say that as someone who voted remain.

Capt'n Midnight · 24-03-2019 03:57PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

I reckon there are a lot of backbenchers plotting their revenge on the DUP regardless of outcome at this stage

From day one , everyone else expected the DUP to get shafted the minute the Tories no longer needed them. They have form on this.

It's like a repeat of Edward Carson almost 100 years ago
"What a fool I was! I was only a puppet, and so was Ulster, and so was Ireland, in the political game that was to get the Conservative Party into Power"

bilston · 24-03-2019 04:05PM

BobbyBobberson wrote: »

All this talk of the petition is doing my head in. And I say that as someone who voted remain.

Why is it doing your head in?

BobbyBobberson · 24-03-2019 04:08PM

bilston wrote: »

Why is it doing your head in?

Just feels utterly pointless, it is not going to change anything.

Laois_Man · 24-03-2019 04:15PM

BobbyBobberson wrote: »

Just feels utterly pointless, it is not going to change anything.

More dangerous than pointless....the elderly lady who started the petition has received death threats

WhiteMan32 · 24-03-2019 04:16PM

The Revoke Article 50 petition has now passed 5 million signatures: -

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Capt'n Midnight · 24-03-2019 04:18PM

bilston wrote: »

Why is it doing your head in?

But so far the UK government and Labour have been totally ignoring the 16,141,241 people who actually went out and voted Remain.

The petition has just got past 5 million so it'll be ignored too.
It's only merit is that it may put paid to "the will of the people" guff.

The 129,22,659 who didn't vote are another story.

BobbyBobberson · 24-03-2019 04:19PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

More dangerous than pointless....the elderly lady who started the petition has received death threats

Yeah I seen that, via her phone too which is utterly crazy. She has deleted her social media after the below was printed.

https://order-order.com/2019/03/22/revoke-article-50-petition-creator-threatened-may-discussed-buy-legal-guns-take-commons/

BobbyBobberson · 24-03-2019 04:21PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

But so far the UK government and Labour have been totally ignoring the 16,141,241 people who actually went out and voted Remain.

The petition has just got past 5 million so it'll be ignored too.
It's only merit is that it may put paid to "the will of the people" guff.

The 129,22,659 who didn't vote are another story.

Yup, absolutely. Taking the decision of 17 million people into account but not 16 million is ridiculous and has led to this utter mess.

theguzman · 24-03-2019 04:22PM

WhiteMan32 wrote: »

The Revoke Article 50 petition has now passed 5 million signatures: -

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Amazingly 17,410,742 people voted to leave the European Union, a simple petition with millions of non British citizens voting in it will not over-rule the democratic mandate of the Referendum to leave the EU in 2016. It is a really pathetic attempt by the hard-left to derail the democratic process at all costs.

ancapailldorcha · 24-03-2019 04:23PM

theguzman wrote: »

Amazingly 17,410,742 people voted to leave the European Union, a simple petition with millions of non British citizens voting in it will not over-rule the democratic mandate of the Referendum to leave the EU in 2016. It is a really pathetic attempt by the hard-left to derail the democratic process at all costs.

Can you prove that millions of non-British citizens signed the petition please?

BobbyBobberson · 24-03-2019 04:23PM

theguzman wrote: »

Amazingly 17,410,742 people voted to leave the European Union, a simple petition with millions of non British citizens voting in it will not over-rule the democratic mandate of the Referendum to leave the EU in 2016. It is a really pathetic attempt by the hard-left to derail the democratic process at all costs.

The hard left? Really?

robinph · 24-03-2019 04:23PM

BobbyBobberson wrote: »

Just feels utterly pointless, it is not going to change anything.

Why worry about it then? Let those who feel it will have some effect, however minor, carry on with it. Others can carry on repeating brexit means brexit to themselves if need be in an equally meaningless way. The revoke article 50 petition at least has a defined desire, still nobody can agree on what brexit means though.

Inquitus · 24-03-2019 04:26PM

Seems May has a new plan, have indicative votes, and if the outcome conflicts with the Tory Manifesto, which if they reach a majority conclusion it likely will, then threaten her MP's with a GE and have another go at MV3. Effectively My Deal or a long delay and a GE.

PokeHerKing · 24-03-2019 04:27PM

ancapailldorcha wrote:

Can you prove that millions of non-British citizens signed the petition please?

Can you prove they're not? The simple fact is that anyone with an Internet connection and an email can vote in it.

robinph · 24-03-2019 04:27PM

theguzman wrote: »

Amazingly 17,410,742 people voted to leave the European Union, a simple petition with millions of non British citizens voting in it will not over-rule the democratic mandate of the Referendum to leave the EU in 2016. It is a really pathetic attempt by the hard-left to derail the democratic process at all costs.

Millions? There is only 5 million who have signed it and you think that 2million plus of them are not from or resident in the UK? And they have also managed to find 2 million post codes and distributed their use between them all in a way which perfectly matches the vote distribution from the original referendum?

theguzman · 24-03-2019 04:28PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Can you prove that millions of non-British citizens signed the petition please?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2019/03/21/anti-brexit-petition-in-u-k-parliament-can-be-signed-by-anyone-anywhere/

robinph · 24-03-2019 04:29PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Can you prove they're not? The simple fact is that anyone with an Internet connection and an email can vote in it.

The data showing where people have signed up from is available on the petition website, and the post code distribution is shown on a map linked from it.

Point out if you spot anything dubious in that data.

FrancieBrady · 24-03-2019 04:29PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Can you prove they're not? The simple fact is that anyone with an Internet connection and an email can vote in it.

This is true. It would be like trying to say that the majority of the UK wanted the Wolfe Tones to be the Christmas No 1

Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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