Madeleine McCann

Necro wrote: »

Yep, problem is the timeline as best known is full of half truths and outright lies, which leaves the parents open for fair scrutiny.

I'd actually say it's more 70/30 in favour of abduction, the unanswered questions and changing statements definitely throw an element of doubt into the equation.

I don't know of you've seen the chronological ordering of who did what and when as taken from the PJ files?

Outside reading each of the Tapas7 interviews which are a complete cluster bus imo and not only have considerable and unexplained inconsistencies - this additional time line brings in independent witnesse statements covering that night.

If nothing else this and the additional reports settled for me that the timeline as given by the Tapas 7 et al is largely worthless in attempting to make any sense of what happened that night

See:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_INFORMATION.htm


Regarding Jane Tanner and GM - there was a reconstruction done by one of the big media channels in Praia de Luz. Gerry and Jane went back to the location and Gerry ended up practically tearing a strip out of Jane. In that reconstruction Jane seems very sure where Gerry and the guy with buggy were standing and where she was (unlike what is stated in her police interview). Gerry disagreed with her. It makes for a most remarkable scene between two of the main players tbh.

I'll see if I can find the link.

Necro wrote: »

Reading that and the insistence by both parents that Madeline was abducted, makes me think that they knew she couldn't have wandered, which points to them sedating her.

That said the emotional reaction from the independent witnesses also make me think any form of foul play involving the parents is unlikely.

So likely she was sedated and even easier to take.

That's absolutely horrific. The poor, poor child.

Absoloutley horrific.


I don't think I'd survive the pain of the guilt.



Why do you think the reaction from the witnesses would be different if it was a staged abduction?

gozunda wrote: »

I don't know of you've seen the chronological ordering of who did what and when as taken from the PJ files?

Outside reading each of the Tapas7 interviews which are a complete cluster bus imo and not only have considerable and unexplained inconsistencies - this additional time line brings in independent witnesse statements covering that night.

If nothing else this and the additional reports settled for me that the timeline as given by the Tapas 7 et al is largely worthless in attempting to make any sense of what happened that night

See:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_INFORMATION.htm


Regarding Jane Tanner and GM - there was a reconstruction done by one of the big media channels in Praia de Luz. Gerry and Jane went back to the location and Gerry ended up practically tearing a strip out of Jane. In that reconstruction Jane seems very sure where Gerry and the guy with buggy were standing and where she was (unlike what is stated in her police interview). Gerry disagreed with her. It makes for a most remarkable scene between two of the main players tbh.

I'll see if I can find the link.

About 10 minutes in


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atfDV7imHHY

limnam wrote: »

Interesting the narrator in the clip above said that jane tanners child was sick.


I didn't know this. So even with a sick child she still left it at home alone!



Christ.

Was it the Tanners who were late because the child was vomiting ? Its mind boggling listening to these people. I mean really ?

Why would Jane Tanner have left her child alone also when the child was sick ?? Wtf is wrong with all these people ?

What does a "standard tourist " look like ?

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I have seen it stated they were loving, caring parents? Yet all evidence I have seen contradicts that claim. Not going down the neglect route, but a sick child alone so you can feck off for wine with your mates? These people are gobsh*tes at the very least.

Everyone of them are all sorts of wrong.


Sounds to me like the tanner one was slaughtered on the night, she doesn't seem to know her arse from her elbow what happened.

limnam wrote: »

Not sure I hadn't realised the child was sick or didn't take notice of it enough till now


Gerry also stated in that clip he never really used to check as in go all the way in. He did what oldfield did all the time. he only looked in this time as the door was ajar. I mean really....

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm

At about 19.00 they all went back to their own apartments with the children. The witness bathed her children, read them a story and put them to bed. E**e who was unwell and having trouble sleeping, stayed with her father, who had arrived in the meantime. The witness went for dinner at the Tapas restaurant at about 20.30.

When she arrived at the restaurant several members of the group were already there, without their children. They were all presumably sleeping.

At about 21.00 her husband arrived at the restaurant, having got E**e to sleep. For this reason and because Fiona, David and Diane only arrived at about 21.00, the dinner, reserved for 20.30, only began after 21.00.

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The child was ill and had trouble sleeping and the Tanner both left her in the apartment , a three year old and one year old all alone . Poor babas

drkpower wrote: »

Tearing strips off each other?

They had a different recollection as to what side of the road Gerry was standing on. That is of no significance whatsoever.

I didn't state they were tearing strips off each other.


I just provided the link showing a bit of a dozy tanner not really knowing left from right. She seems a bit of a ditz.


Apart from leaving her sick child at home I mean.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The child was ill and had trouble sleeping and the Tanner both left her in the apartment , a three year old and one year old all alone . Poor babas

These really were a sick group of people.

So much questions un answered
The McCann neglected there kids and hung around with some utterly bizzare people ,whole taking turns doing bath What grown men take turns to bath friends kids ,
They are without question a very strange couple

iamwhoiam wrote: »

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm

At about 19.00 they all went back to their own apartments with the children. The witness bathed her children, read them a story and put them to bed. E**e who was unwell and having trouble sleeping, stayed with her father, who had arrived in the meantime. The witness went for dinner at the Tapas restaurant at about 20.30.

When she arrived at the restaurant several members of the group were already there, without their children. They were all presumably sleeping.

At about 21.00 her husband arrived at the restaurant, having got E**e to sleep. For this reason and because Fiona, David and Diane only arrived at about 21.00, the dinner, reserved for 20.30, only began after 21.00.

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The child was ill and had trouble sleeping and the Tanner both left her in the apartment , a three year old and one year old all alone . Poor babas

If we did that in this country, the children would be taken from us, and rightly so

goat2 wrote: »

If we did that in this country, the children would be taken from us, and rightly so

When out kids were sick one of us slept on a chair bed right beside the bed . We wouldn't even leave them alone in a room
These people make me sick , selfish fEckers

Calltocall wrote: »

One question I can’t find a definitive answer for, the gate that gave access from the street to 5a, was it only 5a that could be accessed by using this gate or could you access other apartments also?

The little white gate opened leading to a set of concrete steps up to the Mc Canns verandah