Madeleine McCann

limnam · 23-03-2019 12:05AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

You’re right, it’s really. You can be an unlikeable person, you can be arrogant and egotistical but that doesn’t mean you are cold with your children and neglect them.

They did negelect them though. Which led to them losing their daughter.

SusieBlue wrote: »

And while I totally agree that Gerry does come across that way from a media perspective, that’s not how he comes across in the home videos and other recordings with his children.
In the scenes with his children he came across, warm, engaging and caring.

Yeah?

The few I saw on I think the netflix doc he came across a bit of a nonse reading out hate tweets and smiling...

Very odd behaviour.

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 12:07AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

They might seem that way to you but actions speak louder than words. The kids were in creche every single day, and left on their own every single night. The McCanns were pretty routine about this its reasonable to think they behaved the same way at home in England, and of course as with every other adult human on the planet, past behavior is good indication of future behavior.

Taking the fact that they left the kids alone aside, as we’ve been told by mods numerous times to park it, none of their other behavior comes across as remotely cold or neglectful, even on that holiday.

Most parents utilize kids clubs in holiday resorts as it gives children a chance to socialize and make friends.
They do fun activities and excursions and the kids really enjoy them, it’s not like they were shipped off to a concentration camp.

And they weren’t dumped in there all day either, which is what you seem to be implying.
The day Madeleine went missing she was there from 3:30-5:45pm ish.
You’d swear they were being shipped off for a 9-5 while Kate & Gerry sipped margaritas in hammocks.

Sending your child to kids club does not make you cold, neglectful, or a bad parent.
A few hours around other kids of an afternoon is a non issue imo.

dark crystal · 23-03-2019 12:07AM

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limnam wrote: »

They did negelect them though. Which led to them losing their daughter.

Yeah?

The few I saw on I think the netflix doc he came across a bit of a nonse reading out hate tweets and smiling...

Very odd behaviour.

Seriously??

cgcsb · 23-03-2019 12:07AM

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SusieBlue wrote: »

You’re right, it’s really. You can be an unlikeable person, you can be arrogant and egotistical but that doesn’t mean you are cold with your children and neglect them.

And while I totally agree that Gerry does come across that way from a media perspective, that’s not how he comes across in the home videos and other recordings with his children.
In the scenes with his children he came across, warm, engaging and caring.

The neglect is fact though, the McCann's admitted they abandoned their toddler children every night that week. If they were teenagers in this case, you could understand but toddlers have a lot of scope to really hurt themselves in an apartment on their own.

limnam · 23-03-2019 12:08AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Ask him? How would anyone else have the answer to that question?

But we're been led to belive that these were warm,loving,caring parents who don't lie.

Yet their priest in portugal who took them under his wing and gave them the keys to his church publicly came out to say they deceived him .

Just another problem that needs to be addressed. if there wasn't enough of them

limnam · 23-03-2019 12:09AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Seriously??

Really reading out hate tweets and smiling?

Yep!

Very odd.

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 12:11AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

They did negelect them though. Which led to them losing their daughter.

Which no one disputed or denied. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Yeah?

The few I saw on I think the netflix doc he came across a bit of a nonse reading out hate tweets and smiling...

Very odd behaviour.

A nonce?? He came across as a sex offender???

On the contrary he came across as mildly bemused and disgusted at the tweets to me.

I don’t think anyone would enjoy having things like that said about them.

cgcsb · 23-03-2019 12:12AM

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SusieBlue wrote: »

Taking the fact that they left the kids alone aside,

Well that is the only real evidence we have as to their parenting style. If you want to get into conjecture about their parenting style, there is a really convincing theory about regular sedation going around.

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 12:13AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

The neglect is fact though, the McCann's admitted they abandoned their toddler children every night that week. If they were teenagers in this case, you could understand but toddlers have a lot of scope to really hurt themselves in an apartment on their own.

You’re shifting the goal posts now.
You said they were cold and neglecting their kids by shipping them off to kids club every day, which is the point I responded to.
Now your talking about them being left alone again. That’s not what I was referring to and I didn’t dispute that.
So really your above post has no relevance to what I said whatsoever.

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 12:14AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

Well that is the only real evidence we have as to their parenting style. If you want to get into conjecture about their parenting style, there is a really convincing theory about regular sedation going around.

Shifting the goal posts again. You just said the fact they shipped them off to kids club was more evidence of neglect.
Now you’re saying the fact they were left alone is the only relevant evidence.
You aren’t playing fair here.

tibruit · 23-03-2019 12:14AM

gozunda wrote: »

Her husband was also interviewed by the police about this. I dont believe they both misinterpreted his words tbh. She talks of the comments being inappropriate or words to that effect. The fact that they both felt it was of sufficient seriousness to report this to the police in light of what happened.

She also mentions this individuals liking of bathing children other than his own. Don't know about you but that and the comments are enough to set at least some alarm bells ringing down the back tbh.

There`s so much weirdness around all of this it`s just unbelievable. Payne appears to have been a bit of a "go for" for Gerry. I read a lot of the witness testimony a few years ago and a few things about Payne stood out apart from Katherine Gaspars statement. On the night of the disappearance, a British child protection officer was on holiday nearby and became aware of the story when it broke on Sky news. She went to the scene and engaged with the family and immediately became suspicious of Payne. She was convinced she`d seen him before and informed the local police of this. As far as I can remember, Gerry and Kate would have nothing to do with her afterwards. It`s utterly bizarre.

The other thing that I thought was weird was that earlier in the evening, Payne called into the tennis court to see Gerry and when Payne was leaving to return to his apartment, Gerry asked him to go and check on Kate and the kids who were back at their own apartment. Why did Gerry need to send his pal to check on Kate? He was the last person apart from Kate and Gerry to see Madeleine alive. His wife later testified how he had told her had called in on Kate and the kids and how the kids had looked "angelic and clean". Would you let this character bath your kids?

dark crystal · 23-03-2019 12:14AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

SusieBlue wrote: »

Which no one disputed or denied. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

A nonce?? He came across as a sex offender???

On the contrary he came across as mildly bemused and disgusted at the tweets to me.

I don’t think anyone would enjoy having things like that said about them.

Clearly a grimace of disbelief at how hateful people can be....calling Madeleine a brat?? Awful stuff.

limnam · 23-03-2019 12:15AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Which no one disputed or denied. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

A nonce?? He came across as a sex offender???

On the contrary he came across as mildly bemused and disgusted at the tweets to me.

I don’t think anyone would enjoy having things like that said about them.

Not as a sex offender no, as someone very annoying.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nonse

Spanish Eyes · 23-03-2019 12:16AM

The Late Late Show must be cr@p tonight.

gozunda · 23-03-2019 12:16AM

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retro:electro wrote: »

Also, My heart broke for the mother of Rui Pedro, the little boy abducted and subsequently identified as being in a sex ring. I used to think there is nothing on this earth that could be worse than losing a child, but for me, that is worse. Knowing he is alive but being used and abused by god knows who. I would not be able to go on. Jesus. God love her.

Tbh I found the programmes gratuitous use of this poor child's story to push an child abuse / abduction scenario for the Madeleine case sensationalist and gratuitous tbh.

Whilst there have been known examples of children being abducted in a number of countries and which needs to be tackled from the top down - it remains nothing has been ever found to definitely link Madeleines disappearance with such a horrible fate.

On balance if the programme wished to produce a fair and balanced programme - them cases such as the Aisling Symes who disappeared in New Zealand would have been just as applicable. But nope regardless of the case and lack of evidence for any scenario the whole story of this poor boy and paedophiles abducting children gets conflated with Madeliene McCanns disappearance.

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Death_of_Aisling_Symes.html

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 12:19AM

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limnam wrote: »

Not as a sex offender no, as someone very annoying.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nonse

I know what nonce means but I don’t think you do.

TOP DEFINITION
nonce
(UK) Slang for paedophile.
"That Gary Glitter bloke, he's a right nonce."

limnam · 23-03-2019 12:19AM

It's funny to see people who were not going to watch the netflix docu as they thought it was going to try hang the McCanns all happy to watch as soon as they heard parts of it align with their narrow view of the case.

dark crystal · 23-03-2019 12:19AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

gozunda wrote: »

Tbh I found the programmes gratuitous use of this poor child's story to push an child abuse / abduction scenario for the Madeleine case sensationalist and gratuitous tbh.

Whilst there have been known examples of children being abducted in a number of countries and which needs to be tackled from the top down - it remains nothing has been ever found to definitely link the Madeleines disappearance with such a horrible fate.

On balance if the programme wished to produce a fair and balanced programme - them cases such as the Aisling Symes who disappeared in New Zealand would have been just as applicable. But nope regardless of the case and lack of evidence for any scenario the whole story of this poor boy and paedophiles abducting children gets conflated with Madeliene McCanns disappearance.

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Death_of_Aisling_Symes.html

The point was that abduction happened in Portugal, not New Zealand.

limnam · 23-03-2019 12:20AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I know what nonce means but I don’t think you do.

Top definition

nonse
Somebody that does something to annoy you. The definition is left ambiguous so that the term can be used in any context and for any reason.

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 12:21AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

It's funny to see people who were not going to watch the netflix docu as they thought it was going to try hang the McCanns all happy to watch as soon as they heard parts of it align with their narrow view of the case.

I was dreading the release because I knew it would bring all the conspiracy nuts out of the woodwork.
And no, I don’t mean people who believe the other theory.
I mean the people who think she was stuffed into a dogs carcass and thrown into a volcano, or the people who think she was sacrificed in a satanic ritual.

gozunda · 23-03-2019 12:22AM

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TallGlass wrote: »

I can see this thread getting locked.
Has taken a seriously odd turn TBH.

I'd agree. Sometimes it takes just one dark cloud to change the weather for an entire day ...

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 12:23AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Top definition

nonse
Somebody that does something to annoy you. The definition is left ambiguous so that the term can be used in any context and for any reason.

That’s not the context in which that word
is commonly used.

It’s most commonly used as slang when referring to pedophiles or people who commit sex crimes.
Fair enough if you didn’t know that, but most people would have assumed you were calling Gerry a sex offender and not merely ‘annoying’ in your post.

limnam · 23-03-2019 12:26AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

That’s not the context in which that word
is commonly used.

It’s most commonly used as slang when referring to pedophiles or people who commit sex crimes.
Fair enough if you didn’t know that, but most people would have assumed you were calling Gerry a sex offender and not merely ‘annoying’ in your post.

I don't care what it's commonly used for.

I use it when describing someone who carry's themselves in a way I find annoying.

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 12:30AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

I don't care what it's commonly used for.

I use it when describing someone who carry's themselves in a way I find annoying.

Is there any need for hostility?
You used a word that also means sex offender. Forgive me for needing to clarify you weren’t calling him a pedophile.

limnam · 23-03-2019 12:32AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Is there any need for hostility?
You used a word that also means sex offender. Forgive me for needing to clarify you weren’t calling him a pedophile.

I thought the context of the text I was reply to was enough.

I don't know how you can read angry tweets like a pedophile.

Plumbthedepths · 23-03-2019 12:32AM

gozunda wrote:

I'd agree. Sometimes it takes just one dark cloud to change the weather for an entire day ...

Better to action those that are engaged in that behaviour rather than censorship.

gozunda · 23-03-2019 12:34AM

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dark crystal wrote: »

The point was that abduction happened in Portugal, not New Zealand.

And Madeliene was British. And that Child in New Zealand was of British / Irish extraction. So no I dont agree that because that child was targeted by paedophiles in Portugal that Madeleine must automatically have been as well just because it happened in the same country as Madeleine disappeared. If that was the case no families would ever go to Portugal on holiday ever again...

dark crystal · 23-03-2019 12:36AM

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cgcsb wrote: »

Well that is the only real evidence we have as to their parenting style. If you want to get into conjecture about their parenting style, there is a really convincing theory about regular sedation going around.

Proof?

Oh never mind.

Necro · 23-03-2019 12:38AM

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SusieBlue wrote: »

Taking the fact that they left the kids alone aside, as we’ve been told by mods numerous times to park it, none of their other behavior comes across as remotely cold or neglectful, even on that holiday.

Most parents utilize kids clubs in holiday resorts as it gives children a chance to socialize and make friends.
They do fun activities and excursions and the kids really enjoy them, it’s not like they were shipped off to a concentration camp.

When were we told to park that by the mods? Apologies if I missed it.

On the point of veering wildly off topic, but the kids club point really depends on:

A) Having money for the cool stuff (which I've no doubt the Mc Canns had)

The facilities at the park itself.

I was at one in Italy last year and the kids stuff was patently awful unless you wanted to spend a lot of money.

But yeah it's a fair point, they definitely don't run all day and the last known photo of Madeline was at something like 2.30 iirc so they definitely weren't farmed off all day.

Doesn't make their behaviour on the night in question any better for it though.

retro:electro · 23-03-2019 12:39AM

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limnam wrote: »

No point.

There's some who are open to all avenues and scenarios. Some are just locked in on fighting a "corner" not really concerned about looking at the information.

And yet, you only appear when there’s an abduction scenario to be debunked. Whatevs :rolleyes:

Madeleine McCann

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