Madeleine McCann

cgcsb wrote: »

No, we know Kate lied about looking under the bed for example. The bed had a solid base

We know she opened the window with the palm of her hand on the glass, and didn't use the handle.

Did you see the bed? It actually has legs. There's room enough under there for a small child to go under it.

mistersifter wrote: »

Is it just me or was there never much reported on the supposed intruders/kidnappers who were breaking into houses and approaching children in Praia around the time of Madeleine's disappearance?

I think a lot of that information didn’t come into the public domain until years later, I believe there were six cases of sexual assaults on British children in the general area in and around that time like 2004 - 06, nobody has been apprehended for them but who knows if there was a link, i think they started to bring it up in the media in 2013 after scotland yard investigated but by then far too late to make a real connection if there was indeed one but it would make you wonder.

One piece of information i found of interest that I hadn’t seen before was the statement from carol tranmer, she stayed above the mccanns apartment 5A, on the day of the disappearance at approx 4.30pm she witnessed an individual acting suspiciously at the gate from the street which gives acess to 5A, she witnessed a man in his thirties come from the gate onto the street then close it very slowly as if she said trying not to make a sound closing the gate and he was looking left and right then walked off, she thought it was very odd and said it to her husband, she forgot it and then reported it to police in the uk when she heard of the disappearance, I wonder who he was.

Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

If that were true, does that somehow mean they are guilty of murder?

Who mentioned that deleting phone calls meant that they were 'guilty murder'? Exagerate much?

The deletion of call records of both Gerry and Kate McCann is yet just another jot in the long line of inexplicable facts of the case.

This and other issues coupled with the inconsistencies of the Tapas 7 were so remarkable that the Portuguese Police wished to undertake a reconstruction in order to help better understand what did happen that night. But unfortunately that failed as the various members of the group did not wish to participate in a reconstruction. Does it indicate anything in itself? Not particularly but that sure as hell prevented the investigation from finding out what actually happened on the night with regard to those who had last seen Madeleine alive....

Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

So your alternative is that the parents killed the child, based on what, that the mother was carrying her daughters teddy bear? Sorry but I fail to see how this is considered proof?

The cadaver dog barked at the teddy bear. The bear that Madeline slept with every single night but not this night.

Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

An intruder in the apartment is much more credible than the version that the parents somehow concealed a body in a mini fridge for 3 weeks, rented a car and disposed of the body while they were being watched by the cops and world media.

Well we know the window scene was staged. Why would an intruder stage a scene to lead police to believe he came through the window.

Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

The dead body scent and blood sample have been totally disregarded. The samples came back from UK forensics as being totally unreliable.

The scent evidence has not been discredited, it merely has not been backed up by DNA evidence. The forensics were inconclusive, they could only identify fragments that were consistent with all the other McCann children. That they couldn't find a single whole cell is also sort of suspicious, a good reason for that would be if the area was bleached destroying cells and leaving only fragments of DNA.

B_ecke_r wrote: »

no chance a child fits under that bed

The child doesn't have to fit under the bed, a parent in state of utter panic just has to see a gap and check it just in case, no matter how unlikely. Perhaps Kate meant the beds in the parents room, or included the twins cots, which seems to have enough room under them.

pc7 wrote: »

Straw poll, what way do you lean, years back I used to think the parents were involved, but I think now I lean more to an abductor scenario. But as mentioned I do believe the parents were hugely negligent and are a bit odd.

1 - Abductor had been watching and came in the open door
2 - She wandered out herself, something happened (eg knocked down and disposed of/picked up by opportunistic paedo. etc)
3 - The parents did it
4 - Something else

Votes
1 - PC7
2 -
3 -
4 -

1 for me or 2 also possible

weldoninhio wrote: »

Don’t forget taking time out of the panic to delete phone calls and messages from their phones.

Not that I find anything suspicious about people deleting data from their phones to free up space etc., Thinking back to 2007 or earlier model phones...full mailbox? The amount of calls/texts/voice messages that must accumulated over that period would have been significant.

pc7 wrote: »

Straw poll, what way do you lean, years back I used to think the parents were involved, but I think now I lean more to an abductor scenario. But as mentioned I do believe the parents were hugely negligent and are a bit odd.

1 - Abductor had been watching and came in the open door
2 - She wandered out herself, something happened (eg knocked down and disposed of/picked up by opportunistic paedo. etc)
3 - The parents did it
4 - Something else

Votes
1 - PC7
2 -
3 -
4 -

As an option-does the poll include one where the child had an accident in the apartment?
One where the parents didn't 'do it's but perhaps helped to conceal a body etc? This is one of the main scenarios afaik - and the one proposed by the Portuguese investigation.